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Video evidence getting even worse

The most important clip in the most important documentary this century, is even more fake than previously thought.

Have a look at this first plane crash clip at 0:23:

The shadow on that US Post Office building is definitely inserted and the intersection should be bathed in sunshine. illustration: http://i56.tinypic.com/2lmnomv.jpg

If you play with Google Street View for a while, it is absolutely clear that these shadows could not have been there if the video had been real. Example: http://i56.tinypic.com/w1blgz.jpg

Play with Google Street View:

Also, that street with that Harley guy is clearly fake if you check with Google Street View. Unfortunately for all the fans of WTC7 collapse videos, at least one of them is clearly fake when compared with the real street view from Google Maps.

There were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11. The war on terror is a fraud.

More later maybe.

Why is energy weapons being ruled out by some........

on this thread?

From the info I saw energy weapons seem very plausible to me. Look at the pics on this link:


Also pay close attention to the fire truck pic here:

Remember when you were a kid playing with a magnifine glass? Things would burn similarly to the fire truck pic. Notice the concentrated heat in some areas hot enough to melt right through the metal. The heat does not conduct even an inch over to blister the paint right next to the immediate ultra-high heat source.

If this was not the results of an energy weaponry, then what is it? Maybe I'm not gettin something?

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Look people, there is no point arguing with each other over

probable/possible evidences. The truth is we need Grand Juries brought forward 'by the people'. We need professional detectives 'of the people'. This was a mass homocide crime and ought to be treated as such.

A Grand Jury, the 4th estate of our Republic, NOT some bogus '911 commission', will examine the evidences as they are brought forward. Witnesses will be cross examined. A 'free press' will report on the proceedings etc.

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Yeah, actually there is a

Yeah, actually there is a point to arguing.. people want to know what went down, and who did it.

If you don't like it, don't reply to the thread.

Anyway, there were no planes on 9/11.. it's pretty obvious that aluminum doesn't dissapear into steel cutting it and leaving no debris at all.

There were no wake vortices in the fireball and smoke at the towers- meaning no airplane flew through the air.

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Well Kentrailer I Think If You Stop And Think About The Mass...

involved you would change your mind. A 757 weighs approximately 255,000lbs. Now that mass moving at a very fast rate would have enough force and momentum to go right through the steel by a combination of stressing it at impact and causing failure and severing the joints until they failed.

Then the building would move

if hit by something like that. It would shake violently, would it not?

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein


People of DailyKos please please stop trying to divide the liberty movement by bringing kooky arguments like this. We have people on this site that actually say the planes, please who lost loves ones in the tower.

Just tell your handlers that "WE ARE NOT BUYING IT". How hard would it be to hijack a plane and fly it into the tower? all i know is that it would be much much easier than using missiles and then trying to convince or silence the thousands of potential witness who would have seen the strike.

Goodbye folks

There were no planes, JMHO

F-14 controlling a Tomahawk missile


Clip of what ever it was hitting the building. Start pausing and starting between the 8 and 10 second marker. You will see something EXIT the corner of the building and then blow up. An aluminum plane can not penetrate a steel building. Now watch at the 11-12 second marker and you will see the F-16 go by. As well, you will notice that the building doesn't move at all. not one inch. I would imagine that if a 767, traveling at about 500 mph hit a stationary object, that the object would move.


It is VERY difficult to hijack planes and fly them into buildings.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein

F-16??? Really...

not in that video. Debris being ejected from the impact.

"It is VERY difficult to hijack planes and fly them into buildings" Ha Ha Ha.

And how did you miss the fact that Dov Zacheim was a VP at


"System Planning Corporation, a major player in the "Homeland Security" industry. One of the products that SysPlan sells is the Command Transmitter System, a remote control system for planes, boats, missiles and other vehicles2 . It's highly customable and configurable to interface with an almost limitless number of vehicle types."

1+1 does not = 3 no matter how much you want to believe it...

That object isn't debris

It comes from the back of the other tower at the top as they are talking about F-16's in the area. 1+1 = 2 last time I checked.

Your link doesn't really mean anything in terms of hijacking. You can not hijack 4 commercial planes in this country on the same day and fly them around with pilots that can't fly. Your link may have relevance in terms of controlling missiles. I don't question that you can remote control planes, just look at the new space shuttle. Totally un-manned.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein

Thomas~I posted some info for you

I wish you would read when you have time the info in all 3 links..thanks!


Several of the Military statements include the controls of the plane being remotely taken over on all planes 15 mins after take off...as well as demo experts supporting additional explosions used and pilots addressing the manuveurs of the planes.

I also urge you to read the other two links and all additional info in those threads.

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

No commercial planes

Bureau of Transportation Statistics records show that two of the four planes never took off that day and two others were not decommissioned until four years later.

The government refused (or has been unable) to present a single airplane part by serial number for independent corroboration. There is no confirmed debris of any of the alleged four planes, so that all of them have disappeared without a trace.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein

Relevant and uncontroversial videos

Here is how well they can fake videos today:

Stargate Studios Virtual Backlot Reel 2009

Real plane crashing into telephone poles:

DC7 Crash Test

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"they" is us all right. There is a reason for this video...

getting 1.7M hits since December.

What is real and what is an illusion?

Appreciate this post. Now I know what is possible.

"cold" is also an illusion.

and does not exist.
trust me.

Yep El Buggo They Are So Good...

they couldn't keep an apparent fully intact nose of the plane from coming out of the other side of the building...yeah they are awesome at special effects....

September Clueless is what it should be called for all those that buy into it.

Sooo... how do you know the video

of the fake video isn't a fake?

I wish you guys would focus on who and why..motive and opportunity ....for just a fraction of what you devote to these circular arguments!
"True, there are competing conspiracy “theories”, but they only compete with the OCT (Offical conspiracy Theory aka 9/11 Commission Report) not the conspiracy reality, as they all have anomalies, inconsistencies, improbabilities, and out right impossibilities that will keep them forever in the realm of “theory” unsupported by fact.

Who did It~9/11 List of Suspected Conspirators

MUST READ~ read through the links in this ENTIRE thread

Read the statements of these Military Officers for 9/11 Truth ( you may be surprised what they have to say!)


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The key word is how they fake videos "today."

In 2001, they didn't have what we have available now.

"they" is you and I, my friend.

and yes. it really is quite easy to,
"baffle them with bullshit" if you cannot dazzle them with brillance.
umm, what was your point?

Die! Die! Die!!!!

this thread bites.
the inability to discern the difference between "no Planes" at WTC I and II, and Shanksville or the pentagon, will lead you down the wrong path.
and IF you don't think so....let's see what the people who have expierience with this sort of thing have to say......


I am 100% sure

that no type of plane hit the pentagon. I have studied the info presented here many times and it has merit. I still believe that some type of planes hit the towers but I know they were not standard commercial jets. Never stop researching, never stop questioning, When the truth of 9-11 comes out, much more of the fraud and deception will be exposed. It is a critical event in our fight for the Republic.

what a fraud

Please can u show all of us what evidence u saw to conclude that u r 100% sure no planes hit the towers? Sometimes, i just hope Micheal would delete these kind of threat just so you idiots can go away. So since hes not going to do that, i beg that you guys go back to whatever liberal blog of intelligence agent that sent you. Tell em, the folks at Dailypaul need more evidence.

Anyway, if you return, u can start by debunking the rebuttal in these videos.

This is one conspiracy theory not even Alex Jones believes. Better contact your handlers for new talking points cos we are on to u

I watched a minute or two of the first one.

Because the narrator can think of no reason why a documentary film maker would do such a thing, then it must be a real commercial plane. That's not evidence, it's a fallacy posing as an argument.

In all the stuff I've seen there is no concrete evidence that a commercial plane crashed into either tower. No video, audio, radar or physical evidence has ever been produced.

Eyewitness evidence without corroborating evidence is suspect. Especially when the media was leading the witnesses or correcting them without any evidence of their own only that of other untrained and supposed eye witnesses.

You can believe whatever you want. You have the right to be wrong.

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You appear to be replying to woskinee,
who said " I still believe that some type of planes hit the towers". While your reply says "Please can u show all of us what evidence u saw to conclude that u r 100% sure no planes hit the towers?"

Please clarify

A distraction

Here is the Script™:

1) I was there!
2) My extended family died in the collapse!
3) I was a policeman/firefighter/EMT and I *saw* the planes!
4) You are disrespecting the dead!
5) You are ruining the truth movement by showing the truth!

5) You are ruining the truth movement by showing the truth!

Love that.


No commercial planes

That is the only important point. The foreign hijackers with box-cutters sent by that cave-dweller can't exist without any commercial plane crashes. The entire never ending global war on terror came FROM those terrorists ABOARD THOSE PLANES!

Why do you think that they needed other flying objects to pull off this operation? If they control media, they can fake everything on a computer and replay the "Special Effects" hundreds of times. I wouldn't mess with unpredictable plane crashes or other stuff that would increase the risk for embarrassing bloopers.

I don't know whats dis-info and what isn't

Without fact-checking, the no-planes "evidence" seems pretty compelling. Wouldn't personally feel comfy passing on that kind info unless I could state unequivocally that its genuine. Some bits may be easy to verify- i.e. "fake victims"- until then, these kinds of theories fascinate me but I prefer to keep amongst my circle of geeks. For people who are new to the discussion - I'm thinking bld 7 should be the main topic. Especially at the public forums.