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there is no problem with

there is no problem with everyone not being on the same wavelength. I just want peoples agenda's out in the open.
You still have not answered the question. You never do.

You guy's seen this, sort of creating a derivative market

In metals,,, how can they get away with yet another scheme http://www.zerohedge.com/article/js-kim-max-keiser-discusses...

this is a LOT of information, and thank you . . .

for posting it--

*eating an elephant one bit at a time*


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The talking heads

The talking heads (and blogging heads) are beginning to uncover what I have been suggesting, although they have yet to snap to the implications.


All along they have been claiming, with no evidence, that the JP Morgue is net short silver, because of the position they got as a dowry for the shotgun wedding with Bear Stearns. (The business about crashing JPM by buying silver was wacko.) But consider this: The terms of that deal probably shield JPM from most losses. Furthermore, the Morgue could very well have offsetting long positions. Now zero hedge reports that JPM is indeed 3.6 million ounces long in SLV. Being a bullion bank, they could very well have other long positions in other vaults.

The point is, that JPM can make money manipulating the price both down AND UP. If their short positions are protected from loss by the Fed, then they could make a killing on their longs by driving the price UP while shifting the losses on the short positions onto the Fed. Even if the terms do not allow that, the inside info Blythe has about mines, mints, and other big players would make it easy to front-run or take out stops by shifting positions back and forth between the COMEX and SLV.

We all know that both the run-up to $49 and and the huge correction were nutty. Huge moves in minutes on tiny volume when the main markets were closed and overseas markets were coming off of long holiday weekends. It could have been a garden-variety blow-off top. Or it could have been something else.

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Jive_Dadson, you are on the right track. I agree. Up or Down

Your post card matches my perspective. JP is a trader. They pretend to win up & down. Metal & Paper. They make promises. Promise to pay them. There pretend winning is not just coincidence or luck. Here is historical evidence:

--- WESTERN UNION --- To: Jive_Dadson --- From: Mark Twain ---
Win, lose or draw... You may. [Stop.] Hope it is not your blood JP draws. [Stop. Send]

Central Banks Committing Chomos? 5/26/2011
--- Paper vs paper, dancing with the stars (star charts).

☠ Central Banks Global Insanity Makes Scary Markets ☠ 05/18/2011
--- Up & down insanity.

WANTED! JP Morgan. Insanely Perfect Trading 9 months straight. 02/15/2011
--- JP Casino wins every trading day 9 months straight.

--- Biography posted at the end of Jive_Dadson link ---
About the author: JS Kim is the Chief Investment Strategist for SmartKnowledgeU, a fiercely independent investment research, education, & consulting firm that helps clients position themselves properly to profit from the ongoing global monetary crisis being executed by the world's Central Banks. The returns of his Crisis Investment Opportunities newsletter since its launch in June 15, 2007 are as a follows. 2007: +23.78%; 2008 +3.21%, 2009: +63.32%; 2010: +32.59%; and YTD as of the end of May 2011: +5.79%. Cumulative returns from launch to May, 2011: +192.66%.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Ron_is_for_real.. need your opinion.

Please watch this. I noticed below that you were saying we could see silver move up to the low 40's then come back down to the hi 20's-low 30's. Please watch this video. I think you are right. EXCEPT. I think we coul go higher then the low 40's. This will be a great time to make a boatload of money on the next sell off.



Since when do you care about my opinion? Since I pointed out that the MAY puts you claimed to have traded after the decline started had expired before they could have made you any money? Since I re-posted a bunch of your posts from the week before and the week after the top, with none of them giving any sign whatsoever that you had sold out of your calls when prices were at $47? Don't think that by being nice to me I will let you get away with more of your BS tall tales in the future.

As for the video, the guy only briefly talked about silver, and he didn't really make clear why he thought silver would make a new high. It is possible I suppose, but at this point I view it as pretty unlikely. We could certainly go higher than the low 40's, but probably not much higher than mid-40's, and it may be a mistake to hold out for those levels because we may not get there. So far, this bounce has not been as sharp as I was anticipating, which could be a sign of extreme weakness. The bulls basically threw everything they had at the market trying to bust that all-time high, and they couldn't do it. I don't think they have much firepower left.

As for stocks, we are short-term oversold and so far today there has not been much follow through to last week's drop. We probably will bounce or go sideways for a week or two, but be prepared for further decines, which are defintiely coming, it is just a matter of when.

yea so I bought puts after

yea so I bought puts after the decline started.. so what? when silver is at 47.00 and seems to be going down I bought 38 .00 puts and sold when silver hit 33.00 yea I made money. which made up for the not yet realized loss on my July 45's. I hedged.

Now this is the point. The price of silver wasallowed to run to 50.00. It was allowed to run to 50.00 because the big banks were trying to shake as much physical silver from the tree as possible. They did do this since JPM has put 40 million ounces of physical silver in its vault after the "correction" I think they are going to do this again. I think they will let it run to the mid 40's or ad John Gald said to 50-52.00. then hammer it again back down to the 30.00 to 28.00 level. I have also seen this scenario talked about by a few other guys I have been following.

I don't care really what the price of silver does. I have all the physical I need right now. These wild swings up and down are great times to be trading options. With those paper profits you can buy physical or whatever else you need to ride out the collapse.

Another reason for an other set up and manipulated sell off is that JPM and their colluding bank buddies are still naked millions of ounces short. JPM still has 16,000 short contracts. They know that once they and te others stop shorting this market, that the price is going to rocket. This is the reason why they raided the SLV last month. SLV is the last large storage of physical silver on the planet.

So I think we could see them let the pice rise then hammer it down again. At this point it will be like another 2008 all over again.

BUT having said this.. There will not be any real physical silver to buy in amounts over 100,000.00 purchases. As we saw with ASE's thios month, they have highest May sales since May of 1986. silver is still in demand. Lower prices raises demand where higher prices eases demand.

Anyway. July is a large delivery mopnth for Silver. I think the next few weeks could see silver go up then another sell off Into July then the true Parabolic move in
the September time frame as the FED rides to the rescue od the economy again.

Ah ha. Progress. Now

Ah ha. Progress.

Now reconsider whether JPM is net short. The SLV they hold covers almost half of those short contracts on COMEX. They could easily have an equal amount elsewhere, or the Fed could be backstopping the shorts they inherited from BS. See the post about the talking heads.

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where do they have an equal

where do they have an equal amount elsewhere. there is no other warehouse that has that much physical silver. I agree the Fed is backstopping JPM. JPM owns 54% of the Federal reserve stock. ofcourse. What most people here do not understand is that the Fed has to have Gold and silver stay low to let the Fd keep doing its criminal activity. Now that Silver especially is in such short supply you are seeing (for those with half a brain and look)that JPM is now trying to get as much physical silver as they can. All anyone has to do is look at all the silver changing status in the vaults. The COMEX is now down to slighly over 28 million ounces. It is bleeding silver every day. The only palce for these large institutions to get silver in any quantity is the SLV. I again ask the question.. Why did JPM see the need all of the sudden to get 40 million ounces of physical silver in their new vault? If we are going to have silver at 2.00 an ounce like ol redneck says whay would JPM buy (or I should say STEAL) 40 million ounces of the stuff?


...on Friday you said they were "MAY" puts, and silver didn't "hit 33.00" until more than a week after the May COMEX options EXPIRED on April 26th.


If memory serves, I announced buying SLV June 38 puts WHEN I BOUGHT THEM. Silver was going to 43. I cashed them out when silver was at 34. I used a small part of the proceeds to buy July puts. I closed those out at a loss a few days ago.

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Jive_Dadson, I wasn't talking to you

I was talking to Sierra, who never breathed (or typed) a word about buying puts or selling his calls anywhere within the vicinity of the highs. Only after prices plunged 35% and after he had gone missing for about ten days without posting, without answering e-mails (according to one poster), without answering his phone or returning messages (according to the same poster), only THEN did he re-emerge and tell us that he made a bunch of money from selling out of his calls and by buying puts when silver was at $47.

But go back and read what he was posting at the time. I posted a collection of them this past weekend, either late friday night or early saturday morning.

Here are just a couple...

sold?.. I just bought.. From
Submitted by SIERRAHPBT on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 15:41.
sold?.. I just bought.. From the Middle of May to the end of June this silver climb will be epic.

and just an hour earlier...

damnit.... did I miss my
Submitted by SIERRAHPBT on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 14:36.
damnit.... did I miss my bottom?


Remember, at this point silver had dropped from $49.xx to around $45 and was rising back for re-test of high. It closed out the week near $48-49. Then in the sunday night session prices dropped like $6 in just a few minutes, so no way he bought any puts then without paying through the nose, and the MAY puts had already expired. Those COMEX options are very thinly traded and during sharp moves the offers will disappear or go sky high.

I don't doubt you Jive. If you post a trade in real time, that carries a lot of weight. It is only these past-posted trades of Sierra that I am doubting.

ron? do I need to send you a

ron? do I need to send you a copy of my options account ledger? Then again I really don't give a flying rats tail what you believe.. I have made some huge money on the climb from 27.00 to 49.00. I really don't care what you think. As we see from your posts you didn't do jack diddly squat since you shorted at 31 then at 37. only to watch it rise to 49.85.. them beat come in here and beat on your chest in a correction. If you are so damn good why didn't you call the top? You called 2 tops and got your lunch eaten.

How about you just explain...

...to the group why you didn't make a single post here telling us that you were selling any of your calls or buying any puts -BACK AT THE TIME you now claim to have done so, rather than weeks later after the 35% drop?

I mean, this thread has over 8,000 comments now, and probably half of those are posts of yours telling everyone to buy silver because it's going to the moon. Many posters here have thanked you for getting them into silver. DON'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTED TO KNOW THAT YOU WERE SELLING CALLS AND BUYING PUTS IN ANTICIPATION OF A SELL-OFF, SO THAT THEY COULD PARTICIPATE AS WELL?

If you were selling calls and buying puts anywhere near the highs, why were you "LMFAO" at the one person (myself) who was telling people it was "a great freaking time to sell silver"? Why were all of your posts anticipating further rally to the 80's and 90's before any sell off? Why were you posting that you were afraid you missed your bottom (2 days after the top...LMAO)

Anybody who doesn't question you now deserves to lose their money.

and I'm getting tired of correcting your mischaracteriztions of what I have posted and the trades I have made, but briefly: I didn't short at $31 although I admit to warning people it was late in the game and a violent reversal could be imminent. And while I have never told anyone here to short, I did short myself around $36, which would have been a great scalp if I had taken profits while they were there, but I didn't want to get whipsawed out of the trade. However, when the then-current high was exceeded I saw the writing on the wall and bought protective calls, and I posted about it in real time. When it continued higher I reduced my short position and kept rolling my calls into higher strike prices to lock in gains from the ones that were in the money. I made more than enough on the calls to cover what I lost on the shorts, but you keep bringing it up as though I lost my ass. Finally, the day after the top I posted that it was a "great freaking time to sell silver". I said the uptrend was unsustainable. Technically I didn't call it the "top" at the time because nobody knows where a blow-off will end. All I knew was that it was a great time to sell, and I was 100% correct.

I will tell you why.. number

I will tell you why.. number one you sell options depending on what the market it doing at the time. Options is the paper silver game. It is not Physical silver. Physical silver should be bought and held on to at all costs. I have never sold 1 ounce of physical silver. ONLY paper options. DUHHHHH when you make a good profit you sell. Not to hard to figure out right Ron? When it comes to paper I make no reccomendations to anyone. I told a few what I was doing. Ask Cleburne. Now to explain it all to you sore losers again.. another words those of you who told everyone that silver was going to the low teens at 30 and then again at 37.00 and who never called the top and still have not hit their bottom.

here is you....
I did short myself around $36, which would have been a great scalp if I had taken profits while they were there, but I didn't want to get whipsawed out of the trade.

LMFAO.. so its ok for you to buy protective longs but it was not ok for me to buy protective puts?

You speak out of both sides of your mouth ronisnotforreal.
You came on this thread telling everyone how this market was to frothy. told everyyone that silver was going back tot the teens from 31.00 we had a normal correction to 26.40
then all the way up to 49.85. YOU MISSED THE BOAT. YOU SHORTED AT 37.00 So I ride it up to 50.00 then see the marklet start to turn down and I buy protecive puts and I'm a jerk for doing so? You never told anyone on here until after you bought your so called protective call that you did it firat. why didn't you tell anyone what you were doing before you did it?

Going back to March.. I SAID I think the marklet will go to 50.00 then have a 50% correction. Go look it up. Then as the market kept getting strong I revised it up to between
anywhere from 70 to 90.00 before we have the sell off. Ofcourse this didn't happen. That is why when I saw it start to studder at 50.00 I bought the protective puts.
So what is funny is its ok for ronisnotforreal to do it but bad mouth someone else for doing it. Kinda hypocritical isn't it?

You were calling for silver to go down to the teens all along. You never once called a right top. You told people that they would be able to buy better then 30.00 an ounce "much cheaper" was your words. In the teens were your words. never happened. Silver goes to 37.00 you shorted. you never told anyone you shorted till after you did it.. then you lose your ass as silver goes up and buy "protective " calls which I think is BS, since you spilled the beans and were so confident of your 37.00 top. You said after I bought protective calls.. LMAO.

I think half the problem is here that when you are reading these boards people interpret what is said wrong.. cheese head does it all the time. HE can't read.

In the end I really don't care what 3 or 4 of you people think. I made a boat load of cash over the past 3 months.
I'm talking serious money. Just sitting and waiting for the next ride up and then the next ride down.

That is what I am doing right now. So for the jealous sore losers... kiss off. What needs to happen is the 3 or 4 perma bulls who like to come in here and LIE.. Please go start your own stock, and bear metals thread.. we won't bother you.. as a matter of fact you will never see us over there..

The difference is...

...I DID post what I was doing in real time, not 3 weeks later. I adjusted my strategy several times, and I posted BEFORE I bought the calls that if the then-current high was exceeded I would either cover the shorts or buy calls. Then after it was exceeded, I posted that I had bought calls. After that I didn't bother updating anyone because all anybody hears is that I was short.

Yeah, back in march you were calling for a correction at $50, but you had long since abandoned that forecast by the time we approached $50. Consider this post of yours on the mroning of the high:

tog, I think we will go to 84
Submitted by SIERRAHPBT on Mon, 04/25/2011 - 09:20.
I think we will go to 84 or so then get a correction back to the 60's. MAYBE. Ultimetly silver will be 1 to 1 with gold. When you get your extra funds buy all you can.

and this post a couple of days later:

I am expecting a 30% to 50%
Submitted by SIERRAHPBT on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 20:55.
I am expecting a 30% to 50% correction between 90 to 100.00. I think this is where this partabolic will go to. Yes higher prices will make people sell. Those that seel do not know the true silver story.
From that correction we head to the higher triple digits. It will all come down to supply-demand. As you see Apmex and others have no silver. Just wait till the silver Industrial users panic. Talk about
FUBAR... Then watch the hedge funds jump in. I think that most silver investors figure I will ride to 100.00 get out. they will lose their positions and sit on the sidelines watching silver go to prices that most could not comprehend.

All anyone needs to do is go back and read what you were posting from mid-April to 1st week of may when you disappeared. You were hyper-bullish and never said a word about selling any calls or buying puts.

If you were concerned enough with the prospect of a decline to buy puts and sell calls, you could have at least let the board know.

He's calling you a liar and I

He's calling you a liar and I concur. You deliberately misled the people here about your intended trades to take advantage of the run up, never stating your intentions. You should be trusted by no one.

You are a liar.. I never

You are a liar.. I never misled anyone. Ask Cleburne if I mesled anyone. he and I were in contact via email the whole time. YOU CAN'T READ. I told everyone I purchased OPTIONS. GO BACK TO FEBRUARY I bought 38.00 May calls. Sold them. bought 43.00 June calls. sold them around the middle of April. Bought 45.00 July calls I still have. Silver started to sell off then I bought June 43.00 puts. Sold them when silver hit 33.00. Those offset the 45. July's I still have and am losing on. I also have July 28's as insurance.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE VLBC. A richnard cranium. You can not read. NEVER AT ANYTIME DID I MISLEAD anyone. I HAVE NEVER SOLD ONE OUNCE OF PHYSICAL SILVER IN THE PAST 8 YEARS. You have to sell options because they expire you imbecile. WHAT IS IT YOU DON'T UNDERSATND. Since you make this accusation that I misled people you better be able to back it up. show me where I misled anyone.

Locking your post in before you change it

On friday you said you bought MAY 38.00 puts after the decline started and sold them at 33.00. As I have pointed out, the MAY puts expired on April 26th, and silver didn't fall back to 33.00 until more than a week after the MAY puts expired. Now you say it was June 43.00 puts that you bought and later sold when silver hit 33.00. Excuse us for going by what you posted here, but you are the one who can't read.

I do remember you posting you had May 38 calls, so it is plausible that you made money on those, but only because they expired while prices were in the mid-40's before you had the chance to give itt all back (LOLOLOL), so you either exited to avoid being exercised, or you got exercised into longs which you may or may not have sold.

However, I still don't think you made a single post about selling any of your calls or buying any puts, at least not near the highs. That is the issue.

No Ron.. I may have my months

No Ron.. I may have my months messed up Bought 38.00 May calls in Feb. Sold 38.00 May calls in April. Bought 45.00 June calls in April. Sold 45.00 June calls in beginning of may. Bought 59.00 July calls in April (losing big time). Saw market start to go down then purchased 43.00 puts. Sold the 43 dollar puts whe silver hit 33.00 to cover the 59.00's
Bought July 45's when silver was at 36.00 and added 28.00 puts as insurance. Now then Do i need to send you exactly what I did so you in the back of your mind you know i'm not lying? when you get that all you need to do is comeon here on the daily paul and tell everyone I told the truth and that you were wrong.. deal?

I don't care what you did

or how much money you made or lost. What I am saying is you didn't post anything here in the vicinity of the highs about selling your calls or buying puts. All of your posts in that time frame were uniformly hyper-bullish. Then after a huge drop you come in here and claim to have made all these trades. Send the trade confirms to the people who listened to you when you told them to buy.


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Economist Gonzalo Lira has a couple great commentaries on this issue.

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They can spin it all they wish, but can't stop the silver rocket

They can spin it all they wish, but JP Morgan can't stop the Silver Rocket!!

The Federal Reserve knows there is no way to cover up these massive, treasonous crimes anymore. That is why they spin like there's literally no tomorrow!

You can help put the final nail in their coffin though, proving they aren't invincible whatsoever...By going out and buying one oz of pure Silver eagles and keep it in a safe.

Just imagine if JP Morgan no longer had that smug look on their face, because ringleader Jamie Dimon could not bribe/ harass and coerce the politicians to vote the way he wants them to....because the Federal Reserve is going bankrupt!

Imagine for a moment, if central bankers like Paulson, Cheney, Bush, Geithner, Blankfein and Weber couldn't even walk around in public most of the time without being arrested. Couldn't travel where they wanted anymore, without being heckled and driven straight into the back of a police cruiser for safety. Here, you have a beautiful reality that shall come true if we crash and take down the central bank.

The plain truth is, Jamie Dimon hasn't covered every one of his tracks because they don't have any of the money for COMEX to cover silver bullion.....they have nothing at all.

By everyone owning one thing of silver, we can drive that reality to come crashing down on them as they find out no bailouts will work! Just imagine how much worse off the Federal Reserve would get at that point, and how much the public would rise up to trash it in public forums!

Real stats can be found @

www.shadowstats.com The government has been fudging the figures since as long as I can remember.

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BBC HARDtalk - Jim Rogers - 17/5/2011 (Part 1/2)

the Idiot doing the interview reminds me of the trolls on the the daily paul. Enjoy

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part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzpRbVbwrVI&feature=related

Did he say he is short on US

Did he say he is short on US stocks, which means he's Dollar bullish?

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