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Did anyone die on 9-11?

From article:
"I did an exhaustive check of the list of victims provided on the CNN website. What I found is that out of 2,970 people listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index. Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file. Of those, not a single one has a valid “last address of record” on file. That is a lot of clerical error, or maybe Simon Shack is not as crazy as it would seem at first glance[2]."


September Clues is a great resource for vicsim research.


Who did you know that supposedly died on 9-11.. what was the victim's full name and maybe we can research to see if they are a victim? Any takers?

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Fake 911 victim listed on Memorial site

Jaselliny McNish is listed on this Memorial site here:


From Manhattan District Attorney Office November 7, 2003:

"There is no evidence that, even though her name was read from the list of those killed at the World Trade Center during the 2002 and 2003 memorial services,
the woman the defendant claimed to be his dead wife ever existed."



"A Pennsylvania man pleaded guilty yesterday to cheating several charities out of more than $100,000 by inventing an imaginary wife and claiming she died on 9/11.

Prosecutors said Carlton McNish, 51, of Tobyhanna, Pa., even staged a memorial service for his bogus wife, Jisley. He claimed Jisley supported him and their three children, who didn't really exist, either.

McNish pleaded guilty to grand larceny in exchange for a sentence of 2½ to 7½ years."


Should the number on the official victim list be adjusted accordingly? We do not have any official list or number. All we have are these more than dubious (ridiculous) Memorial sites. We don't even have any of the Flight Envelops or any passenger list released by the plane operators.

Why haven't any of the allegedly millions of victims families informed this Memorial site about the fake victim after more than 6 years since one if these crooks went to jail? No one paying attention here? How much else is wrong at these Memorial sites?

And there was more before the investigation ended due to a 5 year statute of limitations for fraud in New York:


The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity

This is an old article I remember reading years ago:

"In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government's lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.- Vincent Sammartino"

"Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI."



I'll research the two actual names mentioned in this thread after the Nov 2010 elections, but so far:

1) Garnet Bailey (ex hockey player/LA King hockey scouting director)
Not in SSDI database (should be as an employee to US hockey team). There is an Allen R Bailey with a different birthdate who supposedly died 9/11/01.
Linked to Denis Leary (who seems to be a big proponent of the 9-11 official story).

From article:
"Some of those people were friends of Denis Leary's. After losing a cousin and a friend in the Worcester, Mass., arson fire of 1999, Leary had started up a firefighters charity that introduced him to dozens of members of the NYFD. "A couple of guys I know are still missing," says Leary, who coincidentally also was a friend of Garnet "Ace" Bailey's, the L.A. Kings hockey scout who died on United Flight 175 when it crashed into the south tower. Leary, a hockey nut, originally met Bailey, a former Boston Bruins player, at a charity match. "When he walked into a room," Leary says, "you knew you were going to hear at least two or three funny stories." The Leary Firefighters Foundation Fund for New York's Bravest got started with a check for more than $100,000 from the actor."

Leary's TV show Rescue Me (wikipedia):
"The show mainly follows veteran firefighter Tommy Gavin (Denis Leary) and his ever troublesome family as they deal with real life issues, either with post 9/11 trauma or domestic problems. Tommy has to struggle with the loss of his cousin and best friend Jimmy Keefe, who died on September 11, 2001, and frequently visits Tommy in visions."

Denis Leary is probably just another shill perpetuating the lie through Hollywood and in real life. This is common with those that produce 9-11 related film/shows.

Note: Mark Bavis (other ex hockey player/ fellow LA King scout often linked to Garnet Bailey
In SSDI database
Has twin brother

2) James Roux
Not in SSDI

..more eventually
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Lenin

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.... fake videos.. fake photos... psyops..

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?


9-11 Actors:

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

4 -passengers both in Victim Compensation Fund and the SSDI

Only 4 out of 245 passengers (1.6%) listed in both SSDI and Victim Compensation fund

Laurie Neira (Flight 11)
Dorothy De Araujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California. (Flight 175)
William Caswell (Flight 77)
Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. (Flight 77)

- this according to people who says they have checked it.

I knew somebody personally

I knew somebody personally that was on one of the planes, so yes people died that day. James Roux, Portland, Maine.

Time passes. Memories fade.

Revisions come out of the woodwork.


No jumpers in the "live" news broadcast

This is by far the most important "live" news broadcast this century. This is the primary source for The War on Terror, The Patriot Act, insane "security" everywhere. Still a very important source for more of this tyrannical stuff.

And now we learn that there are no jumpers to be seen in this most important "live" news broadcast this century? Why not?

a) The "live" news broadcast is real but the jumpers are fake?
b) The jumpers are real but the "live" news broadcast is fake?
c) Both are fake?

Should be about 200 jumpers I understand.

What else doesn't add up in this "live" news broadcast? The missing background on this "picture perfect" day? What about all the different colors on the sky that we can see? We have blue (all kinds), gray, white, green, red, and some oil painting color. And this is from 1st class TV cameras in NEW YORK?

What would the implications be if this most important "live" news broadcast this century is totally fake? We can for sure say that this "live" news broadcast cannot possibly be real. I prefer to be labeled PSYCOTIC than admit that this "live" news broadcast is real. Not even waterboarding will change my mind (well, not sure about that one).

You better look into it and make up your own mind, because this is really important and significant.

What we have is that the far most important "live" news broadcast this century cannot possibly be real. That is a pretty significant point, isn't it?

ive made this case many times

there are a bunch of theories out there so once a political campaign is associated with "911 truth" then you can't separate it from all the theories out there. it's either all or nothing. precisely why i made the case that politics and 911 need to stay separate. but no, the "wearechange" or wtfever org has to keep asking ron paul about this issue, and especially when ron paul is at his presidential run or the recent re-election. it's unfathomable what their intents are to purposely do this during his elections.

i stand by my point that "these people" are saboteurs. who that collective refers to, you know who you are.

That would be me.

I am here to throw a shoe in the works of the lie machine.

I am here to set and example of liberty and free speech responsibly done.

If We all bite our tongues and Ron Paul still loses, what have we gained? What have we lost? What example do we set for the young?

Just another example of political expediency, IMO. It's the way of the established order, not my way.

Questions about 911 by individuals are not nearly as insipid as those of the MSM.

Free includes debt-free!


The need for truth and justice trumps the election of any one man.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.


Any of "our movement's" positions can be considered "wacky" by some.
So, should we shut up about the Fed? Or any of our other points.
The end result is to become neocon, just trying to satisfy their "sensitivities" to the lies they want to believe.
It's ludicrous.
If you don't present a position, there is no movement.
Capitulating on everything before you get started is guaranteed failure, because you have lost before you start.

I just can't understand that way of thinking at all.

Since this is up here..again

I will make one comment..

jd925..is getting a lot of mileage for posting and then leaving it with no further input from him. I bet he is laughing his a$$ off at all bumping this.

FYI~ There is plenty of footage by MSM and private citizens of the jumpers on 9/11 and the bodies splattered on the ground. You know there is ...and available to find easily.


"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Claim made below below no jumpers in the live broadcast

Only in the "instant replays"

I see two posts "no one died" and "oil not hiding" as serving an important purpose. It's absurd and grabs attention.

People died and Gulf Oil has been washing up for ever or so.

But who died and what is the proof. DNA evidence collected with a secure chain of custody?

Who has been missing since that day who worked in the tower? But can we verify they are dead not just missing without the body?

I remember being so relieved that only 3,000 died not 20,000 or 6,000 that I never gave it another thought.

Trillions in military spending and the creation of mortal enemy is built on little or no real evidence that would stand up in court: Civil or criminal.

Free includes debt-free!

I love it

Troll parade after the thread had died.

Hard to even buy support like that.

Was there ever actually a World Trade Center??

Do you know anyone who ever actually went to this so-called WTC??
Oh wait, I did once. It was probably a trick.

What a stupid post.

"Was there ever actually a World Trade Center??"

MikeLawson, does your "what a stupid post" comment refer to your own post? If not, let me opine that your post is the silliest I have ever read on the Daily Paul - or indeed anywhere else on the internet.

The WTC is still there

It was never destroyed. There is just a holographic projection there making look like it's not there.

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

WTC to be rebuilt to original design.

This has architects and art lovers angered. Al the architect and his wife Ann the artist told us why. Al told Blox news reporter Rita Skeeter today, "The buildings were giant ugly eyesores". Ann continued, "If it weren't for the death and vandalism, it could be said it was a favor!"

Free includes debt-free!

But no smoking allowed!

Because we all know that the heat of a Bic lighter within 500 yards of a steel-framed building will cause it to immediately collapse into its own footprint.


Also, No guns and your not allowed to shoot your mouth off

Lest you desecrate holy ground.


Free includes debt-free!

yes, Big T but Hitler was first to ban smoking

even before Gramps was forced by the banksters to use herbicides and pesticides on his tobacco crops in order to get financing

but then, Gramps never tried to take down any steel cored and framed buildings....with either lighters or matches, or even flying machines

cee cee

"No-1-1 Truth"

......We should list the distractions during RP 2008

Article in German economics magazine

I don't know if this thread is bona fide or disinfo designed to compromise 911 truth. Lots of wacky threads are appearing. Obviously thousands of people did die as a result of the very serious crime of exploding these 3 buildings, and the perpetrators need to be brought to justice.

The good news is, that 911 truth, the bona fide version, is spreading.

Read this article:

It's in German, but stick the link into http://translate.google.com

This is a major economics magazine in Germany. It seems that in Europe, at least, the gatekeepers of the official story are losing.

In a major Iranian newspaper, a Canadian journalist (Eric Margolis) has posted a major lead story about 911 and the need for reinvestigation.

See http://www.911blogger.com for more details.

Here is the link to Margolis' article in the Tehran Times.


and here is a link showing the consequences that mainstream journalists face if they breach the taboo of 911 (in case you were wondering why you don't see any of these stories in the MSM):


Jonathan Kay: "I believe Margolis will now drift off into obscurity: His invitations to appear on CNN likely will disappear now that he’s come out with this claptrap."

Or else they are given better facts to make us look stupid.

Divide and Conquer.

Free includes debt-free!

Look BACK to 9-11!

No need to concern yourselves with what's being done to you today.... or tomorrow.... keep your eyes on 9-11.

Nine years ago is a safe distance.

I would like to remind dissenters here on this thread

that we need this forum to be 'free' to figure things out no matter how 'wacky' it may be. btw, I love the X-files and I loved the attitude of the characters, Fox Mulder and Dana Scully. They never gave up and they pursued even those things that were very controversial to their 'superiors'. Chris Carter did a great job writing this because it paves the way to a new way of looking at things and breaking through the naivete so many are still operating in their lives.

It is important that the people have some kind of example of how to gather information, how to determine evidence, what sources to trust and what to stay away from, how to 'detect' BS and at the same time using what we know of science no matter how limited it might be with so much of this stuff.

People, as Americans under God and our Constitution, WE are the jurors here. We the people are the final arbiters of all things that take place in this country even if we are 'blocked' from exercising that right now, it is still important to remember this.


By your standards, we should allow "pedophiles for 9-11 truth by means of yellow fringed flags" and not dissent.

are you sick?

How the hell do you equate pedophiles to any law abiding person with questions?

No how can you even make any comparison at all, you must be f*cked in the head seriously.

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

Were you standing

on your head when you wrote that?

Must have.

Because his brain fell out when he did.