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Did Darwin Kill God?

I don't want to promote that neocon-running-for-office's thread about evolution anymore.

Here is a wonderful documentary, Did Darwin Kill God?, on how evolution and God can and should coexist.

Did Darwin Kill God? Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVLRZkNeclE&feature=related

Did Darwin Kill God? Part2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikA25j99udc&NR=1

Did Darwin Kill God? Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbFW35IWMP8&feature=related

Did Darwin Kill God? Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ZGmXDyG1c&feature=related

Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mgIA0NZdMU&feature=related

Part 6 isn't worth watching.

You cannot argue that evolution occurs. It can be created in a laboratory, in our very own DNA mutation, and through observation of nature. Evolution does not equal atheism and it is a false dichotomy.

This issue is not black and white. It is gray. Both sides on the extreme should watch this series and realize the either-or fallacy.



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Whew..somebody is touchy

Whew..somebody is touchy touchy. One last thing, you kind of proved a point with the fallibility of your book. There are many versions out there, so yeah, real credible. You must have the super nice to people version that people are never told to do morally abhorrent things. And as for your opinion of my intellect. It matters as much to me as my belief in your deity,none. What kind of gawd would ask a man to kill his own son to show his allegiance to him? By the way, I live in Maine, I'll meet you half way. Oh, and there's no such thing as sin, people made it up as a form of control. Where are the 7 deadly sins in the book? Nowhere, they don't exist, they, like the accounts of jeebus, were written long after the peasants in the desert wrote the bible. I should say, after they plagiarized from the Book of the Dead. Enjoy your blissful insanity. And remember that this thread was about evolution and religion being compatible, not about proselytizing. To you sir, I say good day.

Sigh, the old where did the

Sigh, the old where did the rock come from argument. Where did your gawd come from? Why can it be said that gawd was always there and always will be but the same cannot be said of the universe? Straw man.

The Scarecrow always was...

Dorthy's favorite.

Both this comment as well as

Both this comment as well as the one below show a lack of objectivity with regards to embracing both religion and science. It is not an either or. Please view the video as that is what this discussion is supposed to be.

Columbus, Ohio

There is NO "god"

-"The universe is 13.73 billion years old, give or take 120 million years."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/science/space/09cosmos.html

-"The universe is at least 156 billion light-years wide."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524....

-"a light-year is roughly 6 trillion miles"
http://www.marshallbrain.com/science/lightyear.htm

-"there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe."
http://www.physics.org/facts/sand-galaxies.asp

-There are 70 sextillion or 70,000 million million million stars in the Universe(at least).
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/star_count_030722.html

-"The Milky Way is the galaxy which is the home of our Solar System together with at least 200 billion other stars (more recent estimates have given numbers around 400 billion)"
http://seds.org/messier/more/mw

-The Milky Way Galaxy's diameter is about 100,000 light-years.
http://seds.org/messier/more/mw

-"The Solar System is 4.6 billion years old - give or take a few million years."
http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/the-solar-system...

-The Earth is about 4.55 billion years old.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

-Life on Earth began, at least, 3.5 billion years ago. "The evolution of the plants and animals most familiar to us occurred only in the last 550 million years. Marine invertebrates (such as shell-making ammonites) appeared first, then fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, mammals and humanity."

-"The results show that the two species(humans and chimpanzees) split no more than 6.3 million years ago and probably less than 5.4 million years ago."
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/humans-chimps.html

Human Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

-"The fossilized skulls of two adults and one child discovered in the Afar region of eastern Ethiopia have been dated at 160,000 years, making them the oldest known fossils of modern humans, or Homo sapiens."
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/06/11_idaltu.shtml

There has been an estimated 106 billion births since the beginning of Homo sapiens.
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedo...

"As of March 2009, the world's population is estimated to be about 6.80 billion.(U.S. Census Bureau - World POPClock Projection)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#cite_note-0

-There were "163 million-per-year raw births after 1995".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#cite_note-0

-Around 56,597,034 people die every year. About 155,000 a day. 6,461 people per hour, 108 per minute, and 1.8 per second.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20051128.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060612140828AA...

"Life as we know it would not exist if not for these incredible explosions of stars,"...... "When stars die in these explosions that generate billions upon billions of watts of energy, elements necessary for life are strewn throughout the galaxy and become part of the ‘soup’ from which our solar system formed."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/09/010919073102.htm
"Those elements were ejected into space by the force of the massive explosion, where they mixed with other matter and formed new stars, some with planets such as earth. That's why the earth is rich in these heavy elements. The iron in our blood and the calcium in our bones were all forged in such stars. We are made of stardust,"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990625080416.htm

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Of course...

when you use the NY times as a source

THe NY times must know they were around then ;)

donvino

Of course...

when you use the NY times as a source

THe NY times must know they were around then ;)

donvino

You can't argue against the info

so you attack the source(of one link). Just like Ron Paul critics.lol

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Even some of the ancients understood this.

"Thou shalt not make of God anything that is in the earth, over the earth or under the earth."

So you and the author (Moses) are in agreement.

Augustine of Hippo warned, "if those who do not understand exactly who God is, ought take pious heed not to make something that God is not."

Nature can be known, God pertains to understanding.

Truth, justice, goodness and liberty are unnatural except as an individual introduces them into nature by our understanding.

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This post isn't about denying

This post isn't about denying people's faith. It is about looking objectively as well as embracing both science and religion.

You listed many scientific facts. I did not see one that proved there is no God.

Columbus, Ohio

Did not prove? lol. Come on.

Every fact does.

So I guess "god" directed a asteroid to kill off the dinosaurs so a tiny little mammal could evolve into a human over millions of years?

Think about it and it makes no sense whatsoever, especially when you put it all together from the beginning and understand the facts, which speak for themselves.

Do you believe in the "milky way" galaxy or is that a "conspiracy" that "atheist scientists" made up? Does the sun revolve around the earth or is it the other way around?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

I don't know if there is a

I don't know if there is a God or not. I am not that smart. My point is that your absolutist mentality is exactly the same as the absolutist religious people on here.

Columbus, Ohio

It does not come down to being smart

Look at the facts and think about it. Otherwise you are lying to yourself. You know there is no "god". How do you get to deist and then how do you get from deist to theist?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

I think you have the process reversed.

Kant pointed this out. Kant warned about turning an idea in to an object, then treating that object as real and finally deifying that object.

The key question is, how is liberty possible at all if nature is conditioned throughout?

It cheats the question to name an authority and appeal to that authority as an argument. The question is personal. Am I or can I be free? This is the question that any serious seeker asks. But it demands one put away childish things, and silly games.

If one finds their own self free even free to doubt, it is rational to ask the question, "Is there a basis or ground of possibility for the liberty I know is real?" That is what make man a rational being.

The first way starts with a natural object of experience. The latter way starts with the thinking being's potential selfhood and demands a personal commitment.

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the dinosaurs were killed off

the dinosaurs were killed off in the great flood.
that is another "theory" that they died from and asteroid impact.

Why were Dinosaur killed in

Why were Dinosaur killed in the flood when Noah was told to take 7 of all clean animals and 2 of unclean animals?

When the flood was only supposed to kill off the corrupt humans and Giant sons of Angels and human women.

Haven't you ever read the bible?

A. God makes lots of mistakes...

and B. When he gets his wrath on there's generally some arbitrary overkill. Pillar of salt style if you catch my drift.

;)

God as strawman, clever but still your fallacy.

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So if rights flow from God,

did it take him billions and billions of years to form us from the dirt?
The bible says on the sixth day.
Either God knows not what he speaks or Darwin did not know what he was speaking about
I put my faith in the One who created Time,Matter and Space
Darwin wrote a book HIS OWN CULT/ evolutionists are backing away from.
The Lords story is airtight.
NEVER been proven wrong NOT ONE VERSE (MAJORITY TEXT/TEXTUS RECEPTUS OF COARSE)
Screw the worms darwin ,I love watching birds eat them tasty little worms.
F the worms,F darwin's THEORY,I do separate sin from the sinner though.
rumor has it he recanted on his death bed ,converted to christianty like his wife had been the whole time. She was his companion and did not buy it !,there are no athiests in fox holes or on the cancer wards. How dare people not look into this most important subject in detail (both sides)

How dare you.

First of all - the Darwin conversion story is a myth, no evidence at all other than some propaganda by a enemy at the time.

But the big one - "No athiests in fox holes"? As one of many thousands of athiests that have been in foxholes and in dire situations, that is incredibly insulting. Not once after my deconversion have I every "wished" or "prayed" for some magic sky daddy to save me. You insult many brave and wonderful people who joined the military to defend the Constitution with that horrible, and amazingly false, statement.

As a bumper sticker I saw displays: "You're right...There are no atheists in foxholes...We're taking on the enemy while the born-againer weakling is in the foxhole crying and praying for his mommy".

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

My father was an atheist in a cancer ward and

did not take his "last rites" and told the "priest" to leave. I was there. He was no coward who had to believe in some mythical after life in order to get him through the process of dying.

There have been and are atheists in foxholes. You are just repeating falsehoods that you heard when you were young and didn't question. Just like your "religion".

Did your "god" send my father to "hell" for not accepting him as his "savior"? Will your "god" of "love" send me and all that don't believe in him to the "lake of fire" to "burn" for the rest of eternity??

http://www.evilbible.com

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Read the bible.. your answers

Read the bible.. your answers lie there..

I have read your bible

and see it for what it is... Is my father burning in a lake of fire, Sierra? Will I? Are your loved ones burning in hell, sent there by your "loving god"? If not, how do you know?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

You want to get your answers

You want to get your answers from that stupid effing book? Do you also think that children that talk back should be stoned? Or that we should be allowed slaves? Or that women that aren't virgins when they marry should be killed? Here, read a few things from that cherished book, and for those that wish to follow it after truly knowing it and understanding it, I think they are clinically insane.
http://www.evilbible.com/

God judges people on what is in their hearts

I is none of my business where we go after our bodies can no longer house our spirit/soul.
God is the judge not me ,my job as the man of the house is to keep MY house in order,and get them to heaven ! I would not lose faith so easily my friend ,soon all will be revealed and then you can make a better informed decision. The devil has a hold of this world and the Lord knows that ! My God is just,have faith !
Why do we blame God for things we bring on ourselves?
Blame him for the bad? Why not thank him for the Good?

The word satan mean adversary in ancient Hebrew.

He was not personified, to my understanding, until the Book of Job.

Thanks for your insights. I know it is a danger to become like a god judging good and evil. I can do nothing but push myself up from the spot which I fall, using the very forms of the carnal that detained me, so that I could come to know the forms which flesh cannot reveal.

I am so glad that we can discuss these thing without being adversaries.

May blessing be yours.

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Yes of coarse I am your friend,even if you dont believe,yet

Dr Ron Paul as Speaker of the House ! 1st goal
Unadulterated truth and life the ultimate goal .
I as a believer,I have myself transgressed against him in many ways and am not worthy by his standards ,and still have been forgiven by His AMAZING GRACE.
May you also get the chance to experience His AMAZING GRACE !
I am not that smart ,fact is you dont have to be if you carry the truth,THOUGH IT DOES HELP ! But I am only carrying the message of truth it is not mine, nor do I profit other then helping my fellow man. Kind of like the RonPaul movement in a way just much more important as this is FOREVER
If indeed CREATION it is the truth(less time period) then it cannot be broken ,correct?

It is a joy to be befriended, thank you.

I believe I know a lot of stuff that is true. But what can I know for sure? What can I know that does not depend on what I see, or hear or touch or feel or imagine or think?

I am, and no one can deceive me in that knowledge. That I am graced with that understanding is truly amazing.

My body, my psyche and my history are things that I have. Through these things, I learn that I am mortal, that I am stuck in space and time for a short while. Yet I wonder, dare I expect more than the great gift that I have already been given. Indeed I cannot escape the idea that I am already deep in debt.

I do not see it as my task to serve nature but to be a steward. Who then shall I serve? Certainly not man!

But one story told about Lucifer is that He loved God so much that he would not obey God's command to serve men. Hmmm

I will have to pray on you ending question. One writer called God the "founder" of the universe. Maybe he had questions about creation that he could not answer. We can understand even when we do not know. I think this is good. There is a lot I don't know, of that I am quite sure.

Thanks again.

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You like your religion like a buffet

like most religionists. You pick and choose what you believe about your "religion".

How about this quote and an example, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me." Luke 19:27

Do you believe "jesus" was the "god" of the old testament? Do humans who do not except "jesus" as their "savior" not go to hell? If not, why believe in "jesus"? Just be a "good" person, and you are all set to live in "happiness and pure joy" in an all "loving place" for all of eternity?? Did I get you right?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE