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Off topic: It's Sunday - lets talk "soul."

"Universal Consciousness" is the term I like. I have a warped sense of humor so I often refer to it as "the voices in my head." I think I may start calling it "Mom" because that is sort of what it feels like - all the "moms" that ever were lending their energy...

If I claimed that I "talked to god" I would be considered nuts by most people. If I had a funny collar and claimed I talked to god I could get people to pass the has and give me money to split with god. If I took their money and then told those people "YOU can talk to god without paying me" they would say I was nuts and want their money back. If I did not take their money and told them they could talk to god they would say I am nuts and probably evil. If I took their money and told them THEY were evil and only I could talk to god... we would be your typical church...

I got kicked out of the rat race. I did not really volunteer to have my career ended abruptly, my friends and family stop speaking to me, or to develop uncontrollable shaking and crying under stress. I mean, know it sounds like fun and all, but no one asked my input, just all the sudden, that was my life. It took years, but I accidentally recovered from the poisoning and even learned to enjoy life again - although I pretty much hang out with chickens these days...

There is something out there. I don't know what to call it, although I am increasingly convinced what not to call it. As I find myself less and less involved in the "normal" world, I find myself more and more in touch with something else. It is pretty much my business, and I would not bring it up at all, except apparently I am not the only one getting this message:


Protect your DNA. It is what makes us human, it is how they can dehumanize us and they know it and they are actively trying to do that. They want it OBVIOUS that we are inferior, no longer human, so they may harvest our organs without feeling like cannibals. (Speaking of... did you know that rather than take all those anti-rejection drugs, you can eat a little bit of your donor and reduce the risk of organ rejection? No? I bet they know.)

So, what do I "know?" Nothing. Not a damn thing. Here is what I feel:
"Eternal life" is in our DNA. We are not "going" anywhere after death, our energy is carried through our genetics. Those who do not have children still have genetic connections in this world, but it is physically obvious that only having a child will pass YOUR genetics, specifically, into the future. They do not want us to procreate, and if we insist, they want our children to be deformed or mentally defective.

I FEEL (please, I am a truther, I KNOW the difference between my opinions and facts. Do NOT ask me for "proof" of my OPINIONS.)I feel it all comes down to energy.

OK, I have tried 4 times to expand this thread and flesh out this thought, and I keep feeling like I have to delete the extra. In other words, the voices in my head say "Shut up now." ;)

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Nice to hear where you are coming from

And this is too funny:
"Universal Consciousness" is the term I like. I have a warped sense of humor so I often refer to it as "the voices in my head." I think I may start calling it "Mom" because that is sort of what it feels like...

I'll be keeping an eye out for your future posts, since that alone landed you on my "favorite contributors" list. :)


Three voices contend for your thought.

The World the Flesh and the Devil.
Outside is GOD's voice untill you choose to let it amd HIM in.

Kings Row


- William Ernest Henley (1849–1903).

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.


Row your boat

Wow - thanks for the...

message. It coincedes with my usual experience last night. Will talk later...

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

A Dash of Soul

“And consummation comes …”


The Trial by Existence
A Boy’s Will.
- By Robert Frost

EVEN the bravest that are slain
Shall not dissemble their surprise
On waking to find valor reign,
Even as on earth, in paradise;
And where they sought without the sword
Wide fields of asphodel fore’er,
To find that the utmost reward
Of daring should be still to dare.

The light of heaven falls whole and white
And is not shattered into dyes,
The light for ever is morning light;
The hills are verdured pasture-wise;
The angel hosts with freshness go,
And seek with laughter what to brave;—
And binding all is the hushed snow
Of the far-distant breaking wave.

And from a cliff-top is proclaimed
The gathering of the souls for birth,
The trial by existence named,
The obscuration upon earth.
And the slant spirits trooping by
In streams and cross- and counter-streams
Can but give ear to that sweet cry
For its suggestion of what dreams!

And the more loitering are turned
To view once more the sacrifice
Of those who for some good discerned
Will gladly give up paradise.
And a white shimmering concourse rolls
Toward the throne to witness there
The speeding of devoted souls
Which God makes his especial care.

And none are taken but who will,
Having first heard the life read out
That opens earthward, good and ill,
Beyond the shadow of a doubt;
And very beautifully God limns,
And tenderly, life’s little dream,
But naught extenuates or dims,
Setting the thing that is supreme.

Nor is there wanting in the press
Some spirit to stand simply forth,
Heroic in its nakedness,
Against the uttermost of earth.
The tale of earth’s unhonored things
Sounds nobler there than ’neath the sun;
And the mind whirls and the heart sings,
And a shout greets the daring one.

But always God speaks at the end:
’One thought in agony of strife
The bravest would have by for friend,
The memory that he chose the life;
But the pure fate to which you go
Admits no memory of choice,
Or the woe were not earthly woe
To which you give the assenting voice.’

And so the choice must be again,
But the last choice is still the same;
And the awe passes wonder then,
And a hush falls for all acclaim.
And God has taken a flower of gold
And broken it, and used therefrom
The mystic link to bind and hold
Spirit to matter till death come.

‘Tis of the essence of life here,
Though we choose greatly, still to lack
The lasting memory at all clear,
That life has for us on the wrack
Nothing but what we somehow chose;
Thus are we wholly stripped of pride
In the pain that has but one close,
Bearing it crushed and mystified.

I thought this thread was about James Brown.

Until I clicked on it.

Interesting viewpoint. I'm not a spiritual or religious man myself, but if I was, I wouldn't accept any spiritual middle-man such as an established church.

I just got back from church and this is what I was thinking ...

Until reason explains everything there will be faith.

The state should rely on reason alone.

And religion should be limited to faith.

Ask me to impose my faith upon others, via law, and I shall refuse.

I will not be a missionary in the halls of the capitol.

And God shall say to me, "Good job, I was merely testing you, and you have passed my test."

The conduit of law, by definition, is sin, if one believes in the missionary obligation.

I disagree with a premise

If I had a funny collar and claimed I talked to god I could get people to pass the has and give me money to split with god. If I took their money and then told those people "YOU can talk to god without paying me" they would say I was nuts and want their money back. If I did not take their money and told them they could talk to god they would say I am nuts and probably evil. If I took their money and told them THEY were evil and only I could talk to god... we would be your typical church...

I go to a church and give money. Its not because I think I'll go to hell if I don't go, or if I don't give its because I learn there. It is a spiritual experience. Our church has helped food shelves, Haiti earthquake victims, has built houses, sent aid and volunteers to Katrina victims, etc...

Yeah I have a whole lot of problems with organized religion too but to group all churches and church-goers like that I don't think is correct. Unless I am reading this wrong.


First off

You say Eternal .there is only one thing eternal. GOD. The SPIRIT, (GOD is a spirit), of Love beyond human comprehention. In "your" future realm there exists Life Eternal or Death eternal because God IS a consumming fire also. God cannot be figured out. If he could be he would not be GOD. He reveals himself in "his own way" of choosing. There is but one choice for Life Eternal and that has been revealed in our past. A person's Eternal State, to LIFE, can ONLY be claimed by a joining of GOD with the Human person. GOD has to grant Eternal Life,for it is in and of Himself. PERFECT. CLEAN . RIGHTIOUS as defined by HIM.

GOD has revealed "HIS way", if you reject it then YOU suffer the consequences.

He himself grants and is Eternal Life, A and O.

By the way NAFTA is a LIBERAL guarantee of contributions failing for the Conservatists , but the folly is that GOD does not need money to function with.

This is how loving and caring He is ,by providing what you cannot and supplying an easy and perfect way of escape. Just ASK Him.
A human just needs to accept LIFE by asking for HIM.

GOD is a mind reader and knows EVERY thought. Which is where prayer comes from , the mind/soul/Spirit./Core of your being or existance.

GOD must impart HIMSELF into you.
It's a man's HOPE of GLORY.

Satan, the Devil, does not want YOU to find this, because he will loose his control of you. Unless GOD interveins on your behalf Satan (the prince) has "dominion" over the power and the Air of Earth.
This is what was stollen from mankind when Eve was deceived, (Dominion of the Earth). Genesis.

Funny how doctors and shrinks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJwWLBqkv6s body soul spirit. Three is a fundamental number of the universe. Funny how doctors and shrinks go through all that schooling to figure out how to fix you up and know NOTHING about the soul and spirit.



"Let the good heart speak words of true peace, not inciting others to further war." -- B.I.S.

It was your best post ever, IMO

Sorry to see it go.

Free includes debt-free!

Parmenides of Elea 5BCE

Parmenides in fragments of a poem he wrote describes two views of reality. The Way of Truth and the Way of Appearances.

He says, "For thought and being are the same."

Descartes averred, "Cogito ergo sum." Moving in the world of appearance made being an effect caused by thinking, by adding ergo or 'therefore' to his formula.

To be aligned with Parmenides, Cogito sum or "I think, I am", is the proper formula.

Fichte complained, "It is easier to convince someone that they are a piece of moon lava, than it is to help them realize that they are an autonomous I."

For knowledge of self is not a piece of impersonal knowledge, but the knowledge that has one who is certain of one's own awareness of one's own self. It is a most certain knowledge, about which no one can say, perhaps you are sleeping and do not know it.

The River Lethe is the river of forgetting. The Greek word for Truth is from alethe, without forgetting. Truth is unforgettable. Augustine formulated, Deus Veritas or "God is Truth". Not as dead fact but living and real.

This knowledge that has us as an individual is independent of any knowledge we have as rational beings. The ancients ones and the modern ones alike have had the potential regardless of their knowledge of themselves as creatures of nature or Nature itself.

Our knowledge of nature is always problematic and fraught with errors. What certain knowledge can we have of a Nature that is conditioned through and through; an endless chain of causes and effects?

What is the unconditional of human knowledge? Comes down to what can I know for sure? Or even more proper, "Is there any knowledge I have that has me, no matter what?"

So the philosopher asks you to reflect. What do you mean when you say "I". Is there a real distinction when you say, "I am" and "I have". Each moment brings the challenge to separate, in thought, what is true and what is held.

It is a matter of reflection. To see one's own self, not as one who is missing, but as the one who is seeking.

As soon as one's autonomy is born, in trots the intellect to share in that good with a thousand questions and descriptions and explanations, that at best can only challenge others, to set aside their rationalizations to seek wisdom and establish freedom.

The intellect can only produce paradox. Can the intellect calm itself and embrace the mystery that has one and leaves one free.

To grasp that knowledge and recognize the autonomy born of that knowledge begins a journey of liberty for others. So I call you friend and leave you free. That you may for yourself find the joy of the great mystery that leaves all {unalienably) free.

As an aside, God is pure, living, free act, not a dead fact. Free even to be or not to be. Or as Moses reported, "I shall be who I shall prove to be." So men can truly say, we are made as a likeness of God.

So I leave you free, I call you friend.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

Free includes debt-free!


"I think, therefore I am' is the statement of an intellectual who underrates toothaches."
— Milan Kundera (Immortality) ;-)

i Am



“… And none are taken but who will, …”



…… Yourself ,…

………………… Name Of The Game.



Ah! Liberty-Belle!

Or maybe I ought to say, "Aho?"
I have had the pleasure singing this to the morning in the company of fine friends.
I will add you to that list. ;)

LB, I replied in the wrong spot, but I am sure you will find it!

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Cherokee Morning Song and Prayer

* I don't feel the need to 'talk' about my soul..I'd much rather just 'listen' to it.

Here is a song me and my soul like to 'listen' to in the morning:

Cherokee Morning Song and Prayer


"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Check out Ezekial 18



Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

I tried

I have my opinion of what the Bible is, and "Holy" is not it. I read that chapter, but I do not accept the "Scorekeeper in the sky" concept of a deity. I will use myself again as an example, I am not so ashamed of my mistakes that I pretend I did not make them. Years ago I had an affair, for which the "god" who loves me will apparently roast me to eternity. (To be clear, I am not going to go beg and grovel for his forgiveness. I did not fool around on him or break a promise to him.) My husband proved that he is more loving and better at forgiving than god, we are still happily married. How can a mere mortal man be MORE loving than a god? I believe logic dictates that the description of god is faulty. There was a time when humanity was childlike, and needed simple, black and white stories to try to understand the world around them. Locking ourselves to the descriptions used thousands of years ago is not beneficial to true understanding.
If you believe the righteous child will not suffer for the sins of the father, please explain that to the babies born with AIDS or DU birth defects, etc. If the father's DNA is altered soon enough, there will be no child. If there is a deformed child, it will be unlikely to procreate.
For all my "blasphemy" I want to give you kudos for not taking your lord's name in vain. "Jesus" was someone's name, I am sure. I am just not sure WHO had that name, nor who all these Jesus lovers are praying to. There is a guy at the orchard named Jesus, but he never even answers his cell phone, I don't think he will "hear my prayers."

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I have seen an article that AIDS is not what we think it is---

And that the medicine for AIDS caused the deaths, as well as the antibiotics taken by the subjects because of the risky behavior they engage in?
I just know the drug companies are not above promoting drugs that maim and kill---so this could be so.

Scripture is "set-apart"

Qodesh: "holy"

It gives us knowledge of the law that we use to define sin(lawlessness).

But you won't be roasted to eternity. You will die, according to Ezekial. :-)

Not to single out any particular crime but, sex crimes have harsh penalties. They are as automatic as herpes. They have not been abolished, although some people do get worse results than others.

A few punishments:

burned at stake
stoned to death
excommunicated from society
hand cut off for grabbing his secrets in fight deut 25:11-12
die childless
forced to marry
loss of blessings
sore sickness disease or plague
swollen belly num 5:11-31

His law is real, believe it or not.


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

you must have a cathlic background

I am a baptist and I have always been told to pray, and to read my Bible.

furthermore how is he a scorekeeper in the sky when, you can simply ask him to forgive you and he does completely see ephesians 2:8-9 or romans 10:9-13 or 6:8

just to name a very few. see also the story of the prodigal son

The Catholic Liturgy includes three Bible passages every Mass

And is based almost entirely on the Bible.

Catholics pray the Our Father at every mass. Some attend Mass every day of the year.

No one is discouraged from reading the Bible in its entirety.

That said, I wholeheartedly agree with the ideas of forgiveness that you point out.

The idea of who is our Lord, being one who leaves us free, is sublime.

Free includes debt-free!


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Another attack on our DNA...

...is the emotional baggage we all carry. It begins with when we are born into a tribe (family) and we learn the characteristics of the tribe. As we get older we want to think outside the box (tribe) so we learn to somewhat separate from the tribe to the outside world. To cut to the chase: if you are lucky to realize the importance of looking inward (intuitive feeling) for solutions to all problems then that will change your life tremendously and the failures will be less. I have just completed reading a book called "Anatomy of the Spirit" by Caroline Myss, PhD that explains the important link between the way you think (emotional baggage) and illness. For example: if cancer runs in your family and when someone in your family gets cancer and dies in less than a year is the traditional thought. Now suddenly you get cancer. Are you going to die in less than one year? Yes if you do not unplug from that way of thinking. Family ties can be destroy you. So in essense: not only the elites are attacking our DNA but we as individuals are attacking our DNA by way of emotional baggage. And yes I believe in addtion that the intuitive is the "universal conciousness".

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

Certainly, you're not the only one

who recognizes these things, or thinks about them.

The Bible is full of this concept.
It's what the geneologies, which sometimes people call "the begats" are about. Large parts of the Bible that everybody skips over, because nobody sees any significance in it.
Look, Genesis 5 starts out with "This is the book of the generations of Adam". If there was nobody besides Adam, and everyone on earth was spawned by him, who else would the "generations" be coming from? Hmm?
DNA is what the flood was about. Corruption of the DNA by "nephalim", fallen angels that intermingled with the daughters of men. Clear as day.
Noah was "perfect in his generations". That's genetics.
Throughout the old testament, there were consistent admonitions to not intermingle and intermarry with "other tribes".
The prophesy of the 144,000 true Israelite descendants still being alive at the end-time of the 2nd coming, which HAS to be DNA-based in order for them to be here.
The whole Bible is extremely based in heredity and geneology/bloodlines.
It's really what the whole book is about.

Many people today hate the Bible because it is "racist", "exclusive", "discriminatory", "not politically correct", etc.
And ya know what? That's exactly what it is supposed to be.
And it describes similar concepts to what you describe, except it has a particular "train station" at some point were you "get on the train to your eternal destination".

God says,"Before I formed you in the womb,I knew you".
Did people in 3-4000 BC know about DNA? I don't know, but somebody referenced it right there.

The entire book is DNA-driven in concept.
The Bible supports your idea completely.
And so, it would also be consistent with your idea that Satan would be engaged in destroying this DNA, wouldn't it? And being obsessed with learning the DNA codes and modifying it, just like we see happening.
Oh yeah!

When you really know the Bible, it reads like front-page news, right now, today.
And that's because it IS.

‘Trumpet Sound The Jubilee’


Pychopomp …


And Circumstance

“In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.”
- John Steinbeck