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Dr. Paul does not dismiss a run in 2012

Have you noticed when asked if he will run, he does not dismiss it out of hand? How can we learn from the first time? What were some mistakes that we should avoid next time around? And things we should do?

I'm a long-time member of the RonPaulForums and posted this back in February. It has been recommended to me to post it here as well. Here is the original post: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=232814

Here are the ideas that have been put together from the RPFs. Please add your own.

Okay, I'll start:

1. Instead of fighting the media, we need to infiltrate and use them. Judge Nap is our beginning.

2. We should put together a list of people WE would want to run his campaign.

3. We should start thinking about running mates and cabinet members we would suggest to him.

4. We need to become familiar with the tactics of the opposition and use their own tactics against them.

Edit: I'm going to start listing your ideas here as they come in, so they're in one location. Let me know if I miss any:

1. Start early, start now, build on the momentum.

2. An up-to-date DVD available with Ron Paul footage on the main issues, as well as video endorsements from many media outlets

3. Mistake: Too many moneybombs and individuals/groups jumping on the cash bandwagon last time.

Correction: We should have 1 moneybomb per QUARTER, and inform the campaign ahead of time so they can plan accordingly. Any non-campaign fundraisers should be prepared to deal with extensive questions to prevent another Ringside Revolution / Ron Paul Racing scam. The blimp was fun and got free advertising, but didn't get Ron Paul elected, therefore it was a mistake that should not be funded again.

4. a.The ads were pathetic- Let the grassroots make the ads and vote on them like the youtube debate ad

b. The campaign proved themselves inept on numerous occasions in 2007- hopefully the mistakes will be learned from and some good campaign managers/staff will evolve from this years liberty candidates

c. Organize Ron Paul (Revolution?) Marches like the one in Austin back in Oct 07... do these countrywide regularly in 2011 to show our numbers and spread the message.

5. We should focus on Iowa and New Hampshire

6. This time, be nice to them (media). No chasing Hannity. If you really must, go at him screaming "Obama's Number ONE!"

7. Become an elector: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...come+an+electo

8. We need to bus liberty-loving students from colleges and universities to Ames for the IA straw poll in August 2011 to match Romney's bussing of Mormons.

9. We should fund commercials and set up interviews with local radio and TV stations in Iowa and New Hampshire et al.

10. We need TV ads that look and sound professional, that really glorify Ron and give him an emotional appeal.

11. duplicate

12. See post #59

13. The most important thing we can do to help Ron Paul in 2012 is to get as many Ron Paul endorsed candidates elected in 2010. Each one that wins is someone that can turn around and immediately endorse Ron Paul (or whoever ends up running) the following year.

14. What we do need to do is focus on a team of people to get things done in the first 5 primary states. If we can beat Mitt in Michigan, we can win the nomination. Ron *can* win Iowa, and 2 in a row would be NH! If he wins Michigan he's nearly won the election.

15. Instead of donating $600,000 on a blimp, we could have major local events in Iowa

16. We could get far more mileage out of a serious highway billboard campaign in the key early primary states.

17. I remember Nathan Estey proposing Ron Paul truck billboards be rented that would circle the highways at rush hours to keep Paul's name in front of commuters. Or how about using the cash to pay for a network of Paul speakers to make presentations at veterans clubs and senior centers, to get his message out in front of live likely voters?

18. Infiltrate all Tea Parties and 9/12 groups in Iowa.

19. Re-awaken the meet-up groups

20. We need to win or place strongly (top 3) in the Ames straw poll. The money we spend winning it will pay for itself in the free media attention it garners. We need to ORGANIZE and bus our supporters into Ames. We need to set up carpooling, etc in every town in Iowa so not one Ron Paul supporter misses the opportunity to cast a vote for Ron.

21. We need to plan a huge money bomb/kick off party for the day Ron announces his candidacy. Ron needs to be the front runner in money and donations from the start. I think $10 million is a realistic goal if we promote it.

22. We need the campaign to purchase an offical campaign bus, preferably several of them, fully furnished and painted nicely so they can serve as our command centers. We should station one in Iowa, New Hamshire, South Carolina, and one out west, Nevada possible. Like I said I'd prefer 4 buses, but we could live with 2 if we had to.

23. We need to carter private planes for Ron, so we can keep his energy level high and get him across the country wherever he's needed (Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, etc)

24. We have to figure out a way to get our most inspirational youtubes shown on the air or at least a DVD in the hands of all early primary voters.


Ron Paul's fundraising growth was exponential in 2007-2008. Lets start the exponential growth 10 months earlier for 2011-2012.

OUR Goal starting THE DAY HE ANNOUNCES FORMING AN EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE should be to raise at least $10 million dollars by March 2011. (Q1)

A few suggestions:
1. I'm maxing out and encouraging my friends to do the same. In a fight there are times to save onto your ammo and times to fire with all you've got - Jan 2011 lets fire the shot heard around the world.

2. Join your local tea party and tell them Ron Paul started the modern tea party movement. Lets earn their hearts and minds.

3. I posit that a money bomb should be planned for some time in Jan, Feb., or March 2011 to put our campaign in a competitive position and gain financial-frontrunner status.

4. Meetup groups

Avery J. Knapp Jr., M.D.
Helped run the Greater NYC Ron Paul Action Meetup (and helped start it in May 2007, end of Q2, shortly after I heard about Ron Paul).
26. Don't forget to Register Republican, Become a Delegate and Get Involved!!!

27. The campaign should hire 10 of the most talented grassroots video makers and provide them the equipment and resources to churn out top quality video for the campaign. We need a video team following Ron around the country just shooting and shooting video, to be edited later for use in campaign commercials, etc.

28. I also suggest a money bomb calendar so we can avoid grassroots confusion and pissing contests.

Let's debate the number of money bombs for fiscal year 2011 and the dates, so we don't have to do it on the fly like usual.

29. The opposition would take us by surprise by some of the tactics they used. Maybe it would be a good idea to "prepare and be aware" of those tactics a head of time.

30. A 2 day moneybomb on the day before and on the day of the Ames Straw Poll.

a. It will get Rons name in the media for the day of the straw poll

b. If a relatively undecided iowan turns up to vote and sees a giant live ticker outside our tent showing us raising millions as the day goes on- he/she may be swayed by our fundraising strength and enthusiasm

31. The way to combat this? Watch every CFL training video on the site!

32. We need to develop an internet taskforce that operates 24/7 probably through its own website and dominates these marketing tools:

1. Internet Polls
2. YouTube Videos
3. Article/Video Comment Sections
4. Facebook domination
5. Emailing mediaheads
6. Etc.

33. We NEED precinct leaders. Either official voted in precinct leaders or volunteer precinct leaders (as from the 2008 campaign)

We NEED Ron Paul supporters to get comfortable with:
1. Walking their precincts
2. Talking to their neighbors. (don't alienate them if you have differing views)
3. Organizing precinct meetings w/ your neighborhood at the local library
4. Gaining the trust of your precinct.
5. Showing informative eye-opening documentaries at the local library during your precinct meetings.

We can win back America and it can happen one precinct district at a time. Win over your precinct!

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One thing on the DVD you want to produce

and this idea will also work on advertisements: It would be good to show what Ron Paul has said over the years and compare it to actual events of today. In addition, a good comparison is how Ross Perot was dismissed as a nut job [in some circles so is Ron]; however, 20 years later, Perot has proven to be prophetic in that there was a huge sucking sound of jobs leaving the USA. An ad can be made about how we harshly judged Perot wrong, and the climax of the ad would be "Can we afford to be wrong again?" with an image of Dr. Paul is right.

very good idea


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Hey, another activist who leads and kicks butt ... I love you.

We just went through massive crap here in Buffalo but we're starting to gear up the energy for some 2011 direct citizen action.

I just became a committeeman and its been hell taking on the criminals our town.

With you.

let's do it

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The 2011-2012 Campaign

1. Back in the 2007-2008 campaign, the great grassroots fundraising just came about too late to be much of a factor (in the late-fall, winter of 2007). This is not anyone's fault, because Ron Paul was just an "unknown" back then, and he didn't even become an Internet cult sensation until only a few months earlier (from his great TV Debate performances). But the National Media had a whole year of artifically pumping-up the likes of Rudy Guiliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and even basset hound TV actor Fred Thompson, and making the entire narrative of the Campaign be just all about them. This is problem area #1 -- which we do not want to repeat this time around.

So the point here is that the Ron Paul Campaign has to be front-loaded with money right away, in order to build an Iowa and New Hampshire staff, and a boots-on-the-ground Campaign organization that will be second to none -- early on, right from the very outset. This is requirement #1. This will allow Paul to have the infrastruture to really compete in Iowa and NH, to go along with his great message.

2. We know that the Media will deliberately leave out the name of Ron Paul in most of the critical, high-profile published polls (or just lump him in with the category: "other"), so we need to create an alternative grassroots polling Media mechanism for ourseves, and broadcast those results on the Internet on a weekly basis, in order to demonstrate to the World that Ron Paul is no minor candidate -- but indeed a major one, with a huge constituientcy. Eventually, the corporate polls will then have to take notice.

3. Ron Paul did not run very effective TV campaign ads (once he had money coming in) the last time around. The various YouTube clips that grassroots people were making were far, far more interesting, inspiring, passionate, substantive, and thought provoking than these mostly vacuous TV spots. Ron Paul needs to get someone with some skill at featuring the best snapshots of his own speeches on his policy arguments (about our corrupt Foreign Policy, The Wars, The Federal Reserve, the government secrecy, our Lost Liberties, the crooked Trade Agreements, etc), and hold them up for general TV audiences to see (perhaps for the first time). Ron Paul own words are always his best promoter, so you don't need a lot of theater and gimmicks. But you need someone who can dig through the "greatest hits" of all Ron Paul's speeches and appearances, and then present the highlights and make it go large.


If all those things happen, Paul might just be an unstoppable juggernaut, because no one else has his substantive message and policy ideas, and the money and organization factor will have been neutralized.

tv ads

aravoth... they/we need to hire him for commercials. His videos defined the last voting cycle.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Avaroth and some others made some of the best....

and most of them would simply need an update, and to be broadcast.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Make or Break Campaign Slogan

The campaign slogan is the first thing many see or hear when they discover Ron Paul and the one phrase that sums up his beliefs and agenda as President.

WE MUST NOT, I repeat, WE MUST NOT let Ron Paul use the words "Hope or "Change" in his campaign slogan again. I was so upset with "Hope for America" that I knew people wouldn't take a cliche like that seriously.

The campaign slogan ought to be concise, poignant, memorable, uniting, and hard-hitting!

Below are just a few better options for slogans that will epitomize Ron Paul's campaign and REALLY sell the message of freedom to the voters of America:

*Freedom Is Popular!
*The Revolution Continues!
*Freedom. Prosperity. Peace.
Champion Of The Constitution!
Legalize The Constitution!
We The People!
Restore The Republic!
Defending Liberty!
Return To Liberty!
America Is Freedom!
Sound Money, Peace & Freedom!

If you have ideas, add to this list!

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~Thomas Jefferson

Upholding the Constitution since

1976! (Please correct this if need be)

Defender of our Freedoms

End the Fed, the Wars, and the Invasion of the Body Scanners

With Liberty and Justice for all!

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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Matt Pyeatt

nice to see you back here Matt

as long as Rand wins in KY my bet is that Ron will run.

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We need a guarantee

He needs to be running to win not to educate. I will not send a contribution to see it handed over to C4L.
We went without meat so we could send money to his educational campaign. We thought we were sending to his campaign for president. I feel betrayed by that!

Formerly rprevolutionist

Cheapest & most effective

Cheapest & most effective solution...

If you are skeptical about sending money then simply become a precinct leader. Win over your precinct and educate your precinct. Every township is divided up into numerous small precincts. You can easily knock on doors and talk to everyone in your precinct. Organize discussions at your local library. It wouldn't cost you anything and you will get the best results for voting for liberty candidates.

here in Nevada

Here in Nevada, during the 2008 state Republican Convention,
when the leadership saw that we would elect a large number
of Ron Paul Delegates to the National Convention, they walked
out and shut down the convention, then appointed their own delegates.
Rumor has it that they were in contact with the national leadership
of the Republican Party during this whole process.
Even during this election cycle, many of the establishment Republicans
call us Ron Paul supporters ''Ron Paul Rinos.''
Until the Republican Party allows room for Ron Paul Republicans,
we are doomed.

Number 33 is the key

The Precinct Leader network is the key to this. We can't fight this fight in the media, because that's never going to be a fair fight. What we need to win this thing is people on the ground - face to face. Actual Americans, plugging in to the core principles of what Ron Paul and his followers stand for - why it's important for them and for their children and for every person around them.

When you speak with people about these things, the contrast is so clear because we don't talk about following party lines - we talk about actual issues and how to solve them.

The best thing about this approach is that it awakens the lifeblood of our country - its people - to the fact that We are the ones who decide its fate. That's something that too many people have forgotten. And THAT's how you build lasting change.

Live Free

Brilliant minds think alike :)

I've been saying this all along.

Even if we lose the media battle, if we can merely recapture our individual precinct, that's really all that matters. No money can buy those votes. Win over your precinct and it's game over for the NWO. It's so easy to march your precinct. It only requires time and the will to do it. I've seen the attitudes of readers on the DP. We DEFINITELY have the will :)

Win back America, and it can easily happen one precinct at a time!

Only thing I can say, is at

Only thing I can say, is at least this time the media won't question if he's "electable", or at least I hope, I'm sure he'd still catch some flack from the msm, but even still, with all the interviews he's had on tv over the past 2 yrs, i'm sure he'd be in better favor with them than before.

Agree 100% with some of the

Agree 100% with some of the comments on here ...especially one's on public speaking. I think his message was fine, but his speaking could use some polish and his verbage was terrible. Example:

"A HUMBLE foriegn policy" ...every time I heard the word Humble by him I wanted to cringe. In the post 9/11 world (combined with way too many action flicks) nobody wants a "HUMBLE" foriegn policy. "Sensible" would have played much better. Just a tweak or two along the way would have made our message so much more palatable to Joe Six Pack.


According to Merriam-Webster...

Not haughty or arrogant.
Not costly or luxurious.

Sounds like a pretty good (and SENSIBLE) foreign policy to me.

On the other hand, "humble" is also "not proud or assertive" and that sounds (at least to Joe SixPack) like "weak, cowardly, or ashamed." Probably "sensible" is preferable, but I still wouldn't argue with "humble."

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I second that

Don't know why it never occurred to me before... thanks for pointing it out. "Sensible" when tied to the national debt issue will make MUCH more of an impact.

suggestions for 2012 run

The big mistake of the '08 campaign was not listening to Jim Condit's warning on vote fraud. I know Ron won NH and that was all the difference there. The switch with mcpain's votes exposed online with the Boston Herald and the polling boxes hidden with the holes in them and that NH sec of state crook. It all makes me sick with what could have been. Now we are stuck with this communist muslim illegal alien pretender in the WH.

I'm not sure what you are

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. How can Jim Condit help us?

vote fraud

Jim wrote a long piece on the expected vote stealing, before it happened. Wanted to give him credit.

Okay, but how do we apply

Okay, but how do we apply that? Just wondering. Vote fraud concerns me as well. I watched a documentary about it called "Hacking Democracy". Upsetting to say the least but I'm not sure how to apply it to a grassroots campaign.

I'm only suggesting we start


If we can't get any of our

Liberty candidates to win then our impact in elections need to be evaluated. Consider how else we can best use our energy and time.

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Is It Just Me?

Is it just me, or is picking out a cabinet for a Ron Paul presidency just a bit premature? It strikes me as putting the cart before the horse.

I think more than anything, before we a) pick who runs his campaign and b) select a running mate and cabinet - we have to focus on electing as many liberty minded candidates as possible early next month.

Make sure Sharon, Rand, Christine, and Joe have Senate seats.

If my grandfather runs again, in all likelihood, it will be because our monetary system is in an even deeper mess than it is currently, and no one else will be the standard-bearer for liberty.

If he is needed, he will run. In the meantime, we need to focus our energy toward liberty candidates winning in a few weeks.

Just my $0.02 (which aren't copper anymore)

Matt Pyeatt

Fun Factor

As long as it doesn't consume us and our more immediate efforts, I don't see a serious problem with premature speculation. It is, at least for many of us, consistent with The Good Doctor's admonition that, in addition to other values derived from these campaigns, we all have fun.

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No it is NOT just you....

Ron needs support from liberty loving members in the House and Senate as well, he understands better than anyone the proper limitations on the Executive branch. He would not allow his Cabinet to ursurp the powers properly assigned to the Legislative branch.

...Do you have a favorite in Florida?

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I'm only suggesting we start

I'm only suggesting we start evaluating our grassroots mistakes before he announces - assuming of course that he does. And it never hurts to be prepared with new ideas as well. If he chooses not to run, no harm done. But if we wait until he announces, we're already behind. I'm speaking, of course, as a grassroots activist.

As to picking his teams, etc. I'm sure the Good Doctor is receptive to any and all suggestions, doesn't mean he'll take them of course.