We need to reach out to the Christian Right

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I remember watching a PBS special on how Bush won the nomination, and on how his father won the nomination by reaching out to the Christian right. If we are to win the Republican nomination some form of support from the Christian right is necessary, as Huckabee's rise in the polls show, they are a powerful force in the nomination process. I think this reaching out needs to come directly from the campaign. There should be targeted ads to Christian venues (i.e. Dobson's radio programs) as well as the campaign reaching out to Christian leaders. An example would be Ron Paul meeting with Dobson and explaining how Christian principles apply to the behavior of nations, i.e. Jesus being the Prince of Peace, and that a golden rule, do unto others as you'd have them do unto you, needs to be the center of our foreign policy, and that torturing prisioners (waterboarding) is a moral Christian issue that the other candidates need to take a stand against as Ron Paul and McCain have. Additionally, Paul's campaign should stress that all the things Christians don't like the government doing to them, (i.e. limits on prayer in school, opposition to vouchers, etc.) are based on the same principle of political Christians trying to get government to impose its will on others (i.e. Federal defense of marriage acts, etc.) and it is time to bring the Federal government in line with "do unto others" i.e. Christians don't want X, done to them by the government and therefore Christians should not be trying to get government to do Y to other groups.

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The best argument: He practices what he preaches

Speaking as a conservative Christian, I find the most appealing thing about Dr. Paul is that he practices what he preaches. I think it speaks volumes as to his character and convictions. It seems politicians usually change their opinions with the tides in order to get votes. In sharp contrast, I believe Dr. Paul to be an absolutely trustworthy man who means what he says. This is a trait severely lacking among most candidates.

I would think there to be a great opportunity here to communicate to to the religious right a great many things they have in common with Ron Paul. Every time I hear him speak, I realize I have many more things I agree with him on than disagree. I would think other Christians should find this to be the case as well.

I will say, however, that laws are always based upon a value system of right and wrong. And I believe it is just as valid for Christians to defend their moral principles through the legislative process as it is for anyone else. I think the point to stress is that the discussion should be happening at the state level, not the Federal level. I absolutely agree with this general focus of Ron Paul's. I've heard him stress on many topics that rights of the state or the local government as opposed to the centralizing power of the Federal government. That's the powerful message which needs constant reinforcing.

The Problem

I do not have the answer on a national scale . The problem is TELEVISION. Unplug yours. Experience the Freedom. You can not filter out the lies. Do not be deceived. Bless God America !!

Sorry, can't agree...

My husband and I are Christians and we are strong supporters of Ron Paul. One of the reasons we respect him so greatly is that he is a man of integrity and faith without wearing religion on his sleeve. Dr. Paul is not about using religion or God to win votes. Meeting with someone so polarizing like Dobson would be a disaster!

But you are right, Christians need to wake up and see that Dr. Paul is the only choice for those who profess to be followers of Jesus. The answer is to just get his name and message OUT THERE.

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18

Brilliant article that explains why we love Dr. Paul:
http://lewrockwell.com/orig12/farber-r1.1.1.html

Liberty is not about people groups.. Its about individuals

We need to reach out to all americans.. Not a group.. thats not a Ron Paul thing to do.

Yes

Yes, I agree. Hence my reply, right below yours.

Religion

You can be whatever religion you want to, but I think Dr. Paul would espouse the Constitution: Government has no place in religion, and religion has no place in government. The government shall not "establish" a religion, nor shall it prevent the free exercise thereof. If that's so hard to understand, then I'm sorry.

First hand objections

I think I can relate to the mentality of the Christian Right, Moral Majority, Evangelical vote, because prior to Ron Paul, I was one. Here are the most likely objections (in no particular order)

1. You have to support the current president, after all he's a republican and you helped put him in office.
2. Libertarianism scares Christians (especially the self-righteous ones) that believe that we need laws to restrain immoral people.
3. You have to support Israel.
4. Islamofacism has to be defeated.

These would be my arguments for each:

1. Say nothing negative about Bush per se, but that the country needs to break from the status quo of the corrupt politicians that are running it.
2. If men don't listen to God's laws, what makes you think that they'll listen to man's laws.
3. Support Israel out of your own pocket -- not taxpayer's money. The government can only give what it takes from you.
4. Islamofacism: We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places. God is rock and our shield, whom shall we fear?
5. Stress that he is staunchly PRO-LIFE and as a congressman introduced real legislation that would have protected the life of the unborn, had all the other "so-called" pro-lifers jumped on board. Additionally, remind them, that that war along with the gay marriage and any other moral issue, will be decided individually, one heart at a time.
6. Drop this for them to think about, It's time we stopped thinking of and hoping that our government can somehow do the job of our God. Trust God, not government.

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The best place to shop around is in the marketplace of ideas.

The best place to shop around is in the marketplace of ideas.

Lost your faith have you?

"because prior to Ron Paul, I was one."

As a result of Ron paul? Or have you simply changed your views?

The voice of experience.

The voice of experience. Great suggestions, they should be implemented immediately.

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

I agree with the difficulty.

As an introduction, I think I basically represent the Christian right to some degree. I'm pro-life, pro-gun, and all that. I pray, but not for Armageddon, and not with my eyes rolled back in my head (as others have sadly seen some people do). Sheesh, I'm even for the 1611 version of the Bible. (Yes, where the s looks like an f half the time.)

I have to say, getting these people on my side is about the hardest thing in the world, if they are over age 30. Allow me to catalogue the problems I encounter:

1. "Oh, he'll never win. Tee-hee! We'll just get someone bad anyway."
2. "Well, he wants to allow abortions."
3. "Well, I've already decided that [candidate XYZ] has some pretty good ideas, so my mind is made up."

And that's about all the reactions I get, in one flavor or another.

I think the OP was right: emphasize the states' rights issue, so they can, at the local and individual level, decide things like

1. Prayer in school
2. Abortion (the federal govt. isn't the end-all-be-all of the issue)
3. Sex education
4. Gun ownership

Once you have their attention with the moral stuff, head over to the more "practical" things:

1. Abolition of the IRS (and almost all taxes)
2. Better illegal immigrant policy

But one thing you may NOT AT ALL want to mention is the War in Iraq.

I was confounded myself---Jesus doesn't want anyone to hurt anyone; turn the other cheek is (supposed to be) serious business for us. But these people have been brainwashed by the media more easily than anyone else, I fear. For them it almost has become a holy war.

I say let Ron Paul himself make the issue clearer to them when they watch videos. Don't bring it up yourself. Let them find out.

At least, that's my best guess as to what to do. Like I've said, I have had ZERO success talking with anyone over 30, but I mentioned the war to most of them first thing.

There are REASONABLE CHRISTIANS and then the "Evangelicals"

I'm a Christian and I'm a die hard Ron Paul supporter. The difference between me and the "Evangelical" Christians is I understand the way our government is setup, and know that it isn't to be used to push ANY religion. There are many Christians who understand this and don't consider them selfs part of the "Evangelical Christian Right" or whatever the media calls them. You need to reach out to the reasonable Christians, and just ignore the evangelicals because their going to vote for whoever their told to vote for by whoever it is they listen to. But don't go bashing them because your just going to end up pissing some of them off.

Maybe CONVERT them would be better...

The Christian right is bad news. They want everything their way. They are pro liberty.... as long as it fits into their narrowminded, stubborn point of view. They want to take over the country, and force everyone to abide by their morals and laws, how free is that?

We shouldnt be reaching out to the Christian Right, we should be trying to convert them. The Christian right is wrong.
http://lettenyouknow.wordpress.com

Very Scary and Sick

The Christian right are very scary and sick folks. They pray night and day for Armageddon and a leader that will force the hand of God for Jesus' return so they can be raptured. If you have you have ever watched some of these born again whackos waiving their hands in the air with eyes rolling in their sockets in a hypnotic trance, you know what I mean. Watch this and you will know who is really behind America's perpetual wars:

http://tinyurl.com/ysur5z

Here is the average Born again Christian:

http://tinyurl.com/2zakj8

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams

“Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality”

No Way!

The Christian Right is what is wrong with our country. I'm voting for Ron Paul because he is not one of them. The Christian Right thinks it's ok to torture. RP does not. The Christian Right wants to support Israel. RP does not. The Christian Right wants to legislate morals. RP does not. If Ron Paul cows to the Christian Right, I will be unable to vote for him.

I like your thinking, though

It is true that the Christian Right behaves in very un-Christian ways, and I applaud you for pointing out their mistakes. Problem is that they don't believe those things because they are Christian. They believe them because they (at least perceive to) benefit from them personally. Religion is what people are raised on, but their values come from their society's interpretation of that religion. The Christian Right (Falwell, Robertson, etc.) are not preaching the gospel; they're preaching something funny......

You're wrong.

Please don't say things like this. I'm a Christian and I do not support Torture (oh and RP is a Christian and he doesn't either) He doesn't support nation building either. So what are you A Libertarian, an Atheist, a ____? Fill in the blank. So, do I get to call you names with that label? Libertarian's are "unrealistic" , Atheist can't PROVE there is no God, the ____ can't ____. Come on get real. THE MSM calls us Kooks ... Doesn't make is so - Just like your statements. RP '08

"Many of us agree that you and I have no right to use coercion against people who don't owe us anything. The same prohibition applies to groups of people who constitute the government. The reason is simple: unjust acts do not become just when legalized."

"Many of us agree that you and I have no right to use coercion against people who don't owe us anything. The same prohibition applies to groups of people who constitute the government. The reason is simple: unjust acts do not become just when legalized. "

Not sure if you're

Not sure if you're responding to my post, BZ, because the one just after mine was ridiculous. I'm not trying to lump people into groups, and I'm not trying to say that all Christians do X. I was talking about the Christian Right, the Moral Majority, self-labeled groups led by Falwell and his ilk who advocate torture, support for Israel, and legislating morals. Those folks do toe the line on the interventionist foreign policy, the righteousness of our militaristic crusades, and the necessity of not allowing free-thinking individuals to live in ways that contradict their version of what values and morals are. I have no problem with Christians, though I am not one myself. And even if I did have a problem with Christians as a whole, it would still be my right to vote against politicians advocating a Christian agenda. I support Ron Paul because I know he is not advocating the Christian Right's agenda. He is advocating a freedom agenda. But if, by some fluke of all possibility, he switches his tune to appease the Christian Right, I will not vote for him.

What CHRISTIANS

don't understand (and I am a King James Bible fundamentalist) is the difference between Dr. Paul's POLITICAL views and his PERSONAL views.

He does not advocate prostitution, pornography, drug abuse, and all the other vices he is accused of supporting. He is personally against those things. But he is running for a political office that is supposed to uphold the Constitution and those things do not belong in the sphere of the federal Big Brother. They are State and local matters. If he was a town alderman, he might fight to get porn or prostitution out of his town, but as president he must make sure each town gets to make their own call on such things, Even acts recognized as criminals acts (rape, robbery, assault, etc.) are prosecuted by LOCAL law enforcement, courts, and government. No Christian I know would call the White House if such a crime was committed against them, they'd call their LOCAL police.

To ensure our freedom, we have to allow freedom for many we disagree with. Otherwise only those with the most power will be free, and the rest of us will be subjected to them. Under freedom EVERYBODY wins. That's the reason such a diverse crowd can support Ron Paul.

Christians have their best opportunity to spread the scriptures in a FREE society. If the ground is level for everybody, Christianity flourishes. It's only when Christianity is legislated against that we suffer.

Pastor Chuck Baldwin's Archives

There are many articles that can be sent to churches along with a nice note.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwina.htm

Examples:
CHRISTIAN RIGHT JUST DOESN'T GET IT
MY MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE OF THE YEAR
CHRISTIANS NEED TO BEWARE OF MIKE HUCKABEE
MORE REASONS TO BEWARE OF MIKE HUCKABEE

don't forget this link:

http://www.huckabeefacts.org/

Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)

Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
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Fundamentalist

I agree 100% with your assessment. As a fundamentalist Christian I believe Paul is the best choice. He is not a hypocrit and he is truly pro life in every respect. I realize that other people support him for other reasons but that is just one reason I like him. I suspect others would too.

Waste of time

Those who align themselves with the political movement called the "Christian Right" have zero power of discernment, and would vote for Charles Manson, if Pastor Hegee told them to. Supporting Bealzebub Bush and his evil son should be enough testament to that.
The Christian Right = Israel worship at any cost, and would be a ridiculous waste of effort.
Now that Huck has been designated their saviour, they'll follow him to the death.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

It's about submitting to Authority

For years the Christian community in the United States refrained from participation at all in politics. Believing that it was not their place. Then the Christian coalition convinced them that their voice was needed to effect change. Rallied by the Likes of Dobson, jerry, pat and Chuck Baldwin (now a Paul supporter) They were sold a lie that the GOP was concerned about their values. The reality was the GOP, of which I have remained a member for 20 years this being the last, USED Christians to gain power with no intent on making the changes they promised. Twice they held the majority, twice they did not respond to those who sent them there.
Now as far as reaching the Christian Right a group I once would have been in the midst. You have to use Biblical reasoning:
On Israel- God has promised to protect and defend His people. When we take that as our job we imply that God will not keep his Word to His people.
On submitting to authorities-
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Rom 13:6 For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1Pe 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
1Pe 2:17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

In the past these two passages have been used to keep Christians from participating. In the United States The Constitution in the AUTHORITY. To support candidates that openly call to work outside the Constitution is to deny their clear Biblical instruction.

http://nocheechako-churchandstate.blogspot.com/

Hold them to their oath:
President
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

---"Christianity has not been weighed in the balances and found wanting. It’s being tried, found difficult, and rejected!" - Leonard Ravenhill---

Send them RP's Statement of Faith

This was posted in a previous thread on this subject,by a new supporter of RP [a divinity student who previously supported Huck]. BTW: This supporter said that 'Just War Theory' is the thing that has gotten Christians on board. B/c otherwise,RP does not believe in mixing his religious views with politics. But this piece converted them.
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm
Send it on to your Christian friends-and also send them a link or cut/paste RP's position on 'homeschooling'. [from the campaign site.]
Blog: Homeschoolers for RP: The current page features an article comparing Huck and RP on this issue!!!! And how Huck has favored increasing spending on education:
http://homeschoolersforpaul.blogspot.com/

Thanks

Had not read his Statement of Faith. Very good.

GEAUX RON PAUL 2012.

seperation of church and state

I think that Huckabee will give the religious right special favors. Ron Paul stands up for seperation of church and state. to me, the "religious right" has nothing to do with religion and operates like a corporation.

Agreed smitty, and he

Agreed smitty, and he relious right listen to these pastors and 700 clubs more than they listen to the actual word of Jesus, they listen to an institutions agenda that they have somehow wrapped up in the name of jesus...

When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a Flag bearing a cross...

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David F
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Regards,
David F
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call dobson

I agree. I am a pastor and I think dobson could be persauded. Although ron will do well on Christian voter guides. He is a conservatives conservitive.

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Freedom to Fascism

In another post I stated that I was sending a Freedom to Fascism DVD along with Chuck Baldwin's letter endorsing Ron Paul and why to all of the churches in my area. I know pastor's can't endorse candidates but if they watch that movie, won't they be motivated to get this message out somehow? Is this a good way to get the message to the Christian community? I don't believe they will hear the right message from anywhere else. I know so many of them are really sincere but they are misled.
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The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

Can't agree more about watcing the video...

Every American who loves freedom and his country should see it!