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WSJ Discussion Topic: Can the Libertarian Party emerge as a competitive third party when the Republicrats fail?

What if anything has to change for the LIbertarian Party to become truly competitive?


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Call the opposition "Federalist"

As I watch the John Adams series again, the thought comes that those in opposition to libertarian aims (whether "Republican" or "Democrat") are in fact Federalists. Why not refer to them as such? If faced with the choice between "Libertarian" or "Federalist", I'd imagine that more folks would begin to opt toward "Libertarian".

they can if they have good

they can if they have good candidates.

Libertarian Party Now Has 119,157 Fans

The Libertarian Party now has 119,157 fans on Facebook. The Republicans have about 140,000 and the Democrats 150,000. We are gaining on them fast. If you havn't "liked" the Libertarian Party yet on Facebook, we would be happy to have your support now.

NO! Sadly. No!

NO! Sadly. No!

Indianapolis Star Endorses Libertarian Chard Reid for Congress

The Indianapolis Star has endorsed Libertarian Chard Reid for Indiana's 5th Congressional District.

Reid has been endorsed over the Republican incumbent, the Democrat and an independent.

See the article below.

Libertarians fall down on social issues

Many people might like to support Libertarians but are put off by the tendency of many Libertarians to support abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.

The attraction of Ron Paul is that he is both Libertarian & Pro-Life.

Many opposed to same-sex marriage could accept civil-unions if they were not tied up with endorsement of what is regarded as immoral sexual behaviour. Why not civil-unions for people in non-sexual relationships, such as sibblings or platonic friends etc. That way Christians could divorce support for civil-unions from support for homo-sexual sex, extra-marital sex etc.

As long as Libertarians are seen as anti-life & opposed to traditional values natural support will go to the Constitution Party & some GOP candidates. What one might dislike in them is often outweighed by opposition to the killing of innocent human beings.

Pro-Life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-worker, pro Ron Paul

The Libertarian Party Is An Oxymoron

How can you gain power to get rid of power??? It is impossible. Once power is gained it will be used. Very easy to get out of our trouble. Massive REPEAL of laws.

Libertarian Party is There When Demopublicans Let You Down

See this video from a great Libertarian candidate, Warren Redlich, who is running for Governor New York:
The Libertarian Party is running over 800 candidates across the country from local offices to US Senate. Vote for peace, vote for prosperity, vote for liberty.

Forget the party...

It's all about the candidate. I think Bob Barr was proof of that in 2008. He's proof that even the LP can be infiltrated and diminished.

I know fellow Ron Paul supporters who vote for the LP blindly. But would you really want Bob Barr as your prez?

Bob Barr:
- A Ron Paul Backstabber
- Former CIA
- Voted for the Patriot Act (and has no awakened to the wrongness of it [yea right!])

Would Prefer the Libertarian Party Candidate

over the following (incomplete list)
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckaby
Sarah Palin
etc., etc.

See the following Republican Apology to America:

Watch what you wish for...

All I'm saying is take a REALLY hard look at the candidate.

Before you consider

a new "party" be it Libertarian, Populist, Constitution...or any other. You must first put into place a powerful media outlet that can compete with Faux and the alphabet channels. Without a powerful way to carry the message...success is not possible. The MSM orginizations will frame the party or movement and define what it is and who is part of it. It will be a major smear job. Just words for thought...

The rent is too damn high!

Not without fundamental change

The Libertarian Party would first need to be taken over by a combination of political realists and libertarian billionaires who are ready to do battle on an equal basis with Democrats and Republicans. For quite some time Libertarians have spun their wheels on internal "power" struggles and countless abortive "silver bullet" approaches. Too many LP candidates have trumpeted quirky personal philosophies or histories that are subject to ridicule, and they have ignorantly managed their own campaigns with already tried-and-failed strategies. Professionally managed Libertarian congressional and presidential campaigns are a must if Libertarians are to prosper, and that will require deep pockets.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.



Politics is about power and

Politics is about power and money. Libertarians always complain the two-party system has a lock on these but they never exude policy that would attract power and money.

As soon as the Libertarians end their decades-long debate club, clear out the egg-head academics, and start making realistic efforts to lobby some of that power and money in their direction, the LP might start to be a real party.

Enough about principles. Enough about platforms. Get a hold of Realpolitik and get to work!

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Wait a minute,Are you saying?

Wait a minute,are saying at the risk of being part of a "Collective?".

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Thank You for Helping the Libertarian Party Gain Power

Thank you "fightapathy" for your kind advice. I look forward to your donations to the many fine Libertarian Party candidates working hard to advance peace, prosperity and liberty. Please see the Libertarian Donors Club list of recommended candidates that I previously posted. You help is most appreciated. Lets get to work together!

Here are the Libertarian Donors Club Recommended Candidates

In my first two letters I promised I’d be back with an updated list of exciting, important, Libertarian races for 2010. We have found nine more races to add to our original list of four – they are listed below.

We have received hundreds of email responses from individuals supporting and pleading for dozens of outstanding candidates, and it has been quite a challenge to select the best opportunities when there are so many who are truly deserving, qualified, tireless campaigners in the cause of liberty.

For anyone who didn’t receive my first letter, you can find it here: http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/09/nick-young...

We have discussed dozens of campaigns with numerous Libertarians around the country and wish to thank: Richard Winger, David Nolan, William Redpath, Don Wills, Aaron Starr, Mark Rutherford, and innumerable State LP chairs, Activists and Candidates for their input.

We have selected campaigns according to our three goals:
* Statewide campaigns that are active, running radio & TV spots to win Ballot Status.
* State Rep or State Senate candidates with serious campaigns and a real chance at victory.
* And just one campaign based on the best opportunity for a “breakout” in media coverage or
discussion based on the best possible TV advertising or other special factors.

Ballot Status Races:

The Libertarian Donors Club has added support for the Iowa Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Eric Cooper to our list of statewide, ballot status candidates. This means we’ll be working on Ballot Status for Iowa, New Hampshire, and New York.

Think about the potential for early campaigning for the 2012 LP presidential nod. LP major contenders and prospects could get out on the stump early and get nationwide coverage in Iowa and New Hampshire. Being on in NY would add credibility in the eyes of the media. And of course, Ballot Status won now will save the Libertarian Party tens of thousands of dollars for ballot drives we won’t have to do in 2012.

New Hampshire primary.
… think of the possibilities …
Iowa Caucuses. New York media credibility.

And yes, LP Ballot Status is possible in all three of these states. What it will take is money. Lots of donors making their best donation can make this happen. But, we need to get everyone to donate. Everyone should send something. Even if it’s just $5 to each campaign, a mere $65 to cover all 13 candidates, and yet the payoff could be amazing.

But we need hundreds of donors now. Forward this letter to every LP member, donor, your friends, your Aunt Linda … tell them all how important this is. Ask them to donate. Ask yourself to donate. The time is now. Please do it today. There are only 3 weeks left, so every hour counts.

And maybe you can do more, maybe you could give $10 to each campaign, only $130 total. Or target our efforts for Ballot Access and give $100 each to our three Statewide candidates to win ballot status in their states and $10 each to the rest for only $400.

What if we win Ballot Status? Who could campaign? Numerous individuals could make early visits, testing the waters in seeking the LP nomination for 2012. Activists could set up events for Mary Ruwart, Wayne Root, Steve Kubby and any other LPers – pick your favorite – who might want to campaign early in New Hampshire and Iowa. This will help to put the LP in the big leagues for the national media spotlight in the early decision states. LP insiders and interested outsiders could be encouraged to dip a toe in. The Libertarian Party can finally begin to face outward to attract the general public as part of our nomination process. Yes, this could be the most important Libertarian donation you’ve ever made.

And don’t forget that winning ballot status in any one of these states will pay off by saving tens of thousands of dollars in petitioning costs in 2010. This is an investment that can truly pay off in dollars saved and media coverage earned.

We need to win ballot status in these states:

* New Hampshire * Iowa * New York *

It all begins with you, the individual donor, making your best choices from the list below and giving your maximum contribution … My own personal donations are listed below, along with our recommendations for big donors and the legal maximum donations …

… and George Whitfield wants you to know that he is contributing $250 to each and every one of these 13 campaigns. Thank you George!

… but every donation counts, so please give what you can, pick your favorites, target the best of our best … Please help us win Ballot Status in our key early media states … Please help us give our hard working, active campaigns the best shot at victory … and Please take a look at our breakout media candidate, watch his ads, and send him an extra donation to increase the air time for these spots on three major networks in Columbus Ohio …

Statewide races: Goal: Ballot Status:

Eric Cooper IA Governor 2% http://www.coopersmallergovernment.com/

Iowa is a small state where the LP has a reasonable prospect of winning ballot status with 2% of the vote. Eric Cooper was already polling at 2% before beginning his aggressive, targeted radio campaign. Cooper is campaigning actively and has recently received a major political endorsement. Just $15,000 in additional funding could put the Iowa LP over the 2%. Let’s invest here and in New Hampshire for the added effect of setting up the Libertarian Party with ballot status in the two early decision states in the 2012 presidential primaries.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Free Citizens for Cooper/Weltha” and mailed to: Eric Cooper for Governor, 902 Burnett Ave, Ames, IA 50010-6132

John Babiarz NH Governor 4% http://johnbabiarz.org/

New Hampshire is a small state with only 2 Congressional Districts. John Babiarz is campaigning actively. The Babiarz for Governor campaign needs funds to be used for radio and TV ads on the one major broadcast station in NH, major radio stations and cable TV. The Babiarz campaign has a good chance of getting 4% of the vote which would win Ballot Status here. In fact, the New Hampshire LP has won ballot status here before, at 3%, so the big-party legislature raised the requirement to 4%. Don’t let them get away with that! … A quick infusion of $12,000 could make the difference with a major payoff for 2012 and beyond. Please join me by investing in this ballot status campaign.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Babiarz for Governor” and mailed to: Babiarz for Governor, 12 Liberty Lane, Grafton NH 03240.

Warren Redlich NY Governor 50,000 votes http://wredlich.com/ny/

New York is an important state in the eyes of the media and has a large population. It only takes 50,000 votes to win ballot status and yet the LP has never succeeded in doing so. This year, however, the LP has an active campaigner, an elected official, running as our candidate for Governor. Redlich has been invited to debate the field … And the erratic, irascible behavior of the Republican nominee leaves a vacuum to be filled. The Redlich for Governor campaign is seeking funds to run radio, targeted cable TV, and major network TV in upstate areas. My estimate is that the Redlich campaign needs $35,000 more, this week, to have a real shot at 50,000 votes - they will put all donor club donations on TV and radio. The campaign has raised thousands of dollars since my first letter, but they need more. Please join me in an LP breakthrough in New York. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7w15CYS4yo

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Redlich for Governor” and mailed to: Redlich for Governor, 255 Washington Ave Ext., Suite 108, Albany, NY 12205.

State Senate: Goal: To Win:

Bill Yarbrough OH www.yarbroughforohio.com

Bill Yarbrough in Ohio State Senate district 3 is airing radio ads right now (listen on YouTube). He is campaigning actively district wide with yard signs, door-to-door, personal appearances and numerous endorsements. Yarbrough’s district encompasses three Ohio State House districts, two of which have hot LP campaigns and falls under the media umbrella provided by the Irvine for Congress campaign. These campaigns are coordinating their efforts for maximum coverage with yard signs and door-to-door efforts. The Yarbrough campaign will end with a district wide targeted direct mail effort. Funding this campaign is a must. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zxeqZrSBg&feature=player_em...

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Yarbrough for Ohio” and mailed to: Yarbrough for Ohio, 6300 Hilltop Trail Dr, New Albany, OH 43054

State House of Representatives: Goal: To Win:

Robert Nowotny TX http://needtovote.com/

Robert Nowotny is the Libertarian candidate for Texas State Representative, District 73. He has been running full time since January in his four county, rural district in a two-way race against an unpopular one term Republican. His signs are up, he is already running radio and newspaper ads and plans additional buys. He plans a final direct mail campaign to district voters. He needs $6,000 in additional contributions to make this happen. Many in Texas feel that his campaign represents the best chance for victory in a state with one of the most active State LP organizations. Robert Nowotny could be our first elected State Rep in Texas.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Robert Nowotny, Libertarian Candidate” and mailed to: Robert Nowotny, Libertarian Candidate for State Representative, 6001 Creekwood Pass, Spring Branch, TX 78070

Heather Scott TN http://www.electheatherscott.com/

Heather Scott has been elected twice to the County Commission. She is running in a 4-way race for an open seat in Tennessee’s 57th House district. Scott is a known and respected contender, having proven her electability, and she is participating in community events, forums and debates sponsored by local Tea Party groups and the media. She is running an active campaign throughout her district in Wilson and Sumner counties with yard signs, door-to-door literature and newspaper ads and radio. Strict ballot laws that were recently overturned have prevented Tennessee Libertarians from running under our party label, so she will appear as an independent on the ballot. This is another serious campaign close to victory. All new contributions will be spent on radio and TV advertising. Our donations could spell the difference.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Heather Scott for State Representative” and mailed to: Heather Scott for State Representative, P.O. Box 314, Mt. Juliet, TN 37121.

Tim Mullen PA www.votemullen.com

Tim Mullen is out every day campaigning door-to-door in the Pennsylvania State Rep district 120. He has opened a campaign headquarters that is already funded through the election and has blanketed his district with hundreds of yard signs, more than 50,000 pieces of literature, and radio advertising. Like many of the campaigns on our list, Mullen is running a model campaign that his state LP can learn from and hopes to replicate statewide in the future. He is being attacked constantly by his Republican opponent (so we know Mullen is threatening an upset) and the Democrat seems to be out of the race, in this three-way match. Mullen is in this to win. He needs another $10,000 for additional radio spots and signage. Please donate today.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Vote Mullen for State Rep.” and mailed to: Vote Mullen, 193 Riverside Drive, Factoryville, PA 18419.

Rex Bell IN http://electrexbell.com/

After carrying 8 precincts and winning 37% of the vote in 2008 in a two-way race, Rex Bell is running again for the Indiana House in district 54. He is a lifelong resident of the area and his wife is an elected Libertarian judge. Bell is campaigning daily. He has a targeted door-to-door effort aimed at reaching most of his district. He has purchased radio spots to run from now through election day and ads in five local newspapers. He needs $1,500 to expand his radio buy and more newspaper ads to cover his rural three county district.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Hoosiers for Rex Bell” and mailed to: Rex Bell for Indiana House, 17059 State Road 38, Hagerston, IN 47346.

Lawrence Binsky OH www.lbinsky.com

Lawrence Binsky, Ohio House district 20, is a well known businessman, actively campaigning in the town where he grew up and still lives with his family. He is covering his district door-to-door, has yard signs and is coordinating with the umbrella campaigns of Yarbrough state senate and Irvine for Congress. There is a great benefit of supporting candidates whose districts coincide, which the major parties use to their great advantage for reaching voters and GOTV. It’s time for Libertarians to do the same. Please donate today.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Binsky for Ohio” and mailed to: Binsky for Ohio, 75 South Cassingham, Bexley, OH 43209 .

Christine Smith CO http://electchristinesmith.com/

Christine Smith, running in State House district 60, has been advertising throughout her six county district since January in newspapers and with 60 min. spots on radio since August. She is campaigning door-to-door along with volunteers throughout her district. Her 3-way race against a Republican incumbent is quite winnable this year, with a 3rd Party candidate close to winning the Governorship and the Republican party potentially losing ballot status. This means it’s anything goes and Christine Smith could benefit from that revolutionary environment. Her campaign is hampered by a $200 donation limit that allows the major party candidates to receive $400. Please send your best donation ASAP and help Christine win.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card. Personal checks should be made payable to: “Elect Christine Smith” and mailed to: Elect Christine Smith, 478 Country Road 46, Howard, CO 81233.

Nicholas De Laat WY http://votenickdelaat.weebly.com/

Wyoming has the lowest population of all US states and this means small State Rep districts. Nick De Laat is actively competing for the State House of Representatives in District 52 and is campaigning full time till election day. Either he or a campaign volunteer plans to visit every door in his district. He has already raised several thousand dollars for literature, yard signs, and a full sized billboard. This is a three way race with a Republican incumbent, an independent Republican with an inactive campaign, and our LP candidate De Laat. An additional infusion of $3,000 could allow the De Laat campaign to fund a district wide postcard mailing just prior to election day and radio advertising. We need to make a major effort to pick up the votes that will be the margin of victory. This is a serious chance for an LP victory, one of the best nationwide, which is why I sent $1000 while recommending everyone to commit to $100 to help put Nick De Laat over the top.

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Elect Nicholas De Laat” and mailed to: Elect Nicholas De Laat, 5105 Tarry St., Gillette WY 82718.

Brendan Kelly NH http://www.brendankellylpnh.com/

Brendan Kelly has been elected and reelected as Selectman in the town of Seabrook, New Hampshire, which means he has proven himself electable. He is running in a small state in district 14 that will elect 4 members to the New Hampshire State House of Representatives. Kelly is campaigning seriously, to win. This is his second try and has a serious shot. He needs to raise $2,500 quickly. I have recommended a $100 donation to win, and I have sent $250 toward Brendan’s victory. Let’s give him the money he needs for literature, signs and local advertising. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6OCLiB-PAM&feature=player_em...

Donations can be made through the website by credit card or paypal. Checks should be made payable to: “Friends of Brendan Kelly” and mailed to: Friends of Brendan Kelly, P.O. Box 631, Seabrook NH 03874

U.S. House of Representatives: Goal: Maximum Attention:

Travis Irvine OH http://irvineforcongress.com/contact.php

Travis Irvine is running an active, full-time campaign in the Ohio 12th Congressional District in a three-way race. He has made outstanding videos throughout his campaign that are funny, witty, incisive, and present the Libertarian Party in a simple, clear, positive light. Irvine can deliver a libertarian message with a humorous jab. He lampoons his Dem and Rep rivals mercilessly in his videos (links below). There is nothing better out there, and we absolutely must encourage this type of campaign.

The Irvine for Congress campaign has the added attraction of being an umbrella campaign for numerous Ohio candidates in the Columbus area. Voters in Bill Yarbrough’s Ohio Senate district 3, along with LP Ohio House candidates Lawrence Binski, Michael Johnstion, Mark Noble, and Casey Borders will see this televised Libertarian message under an Irvine TV media umbrella. In addition, voters in two other US House districts, LP candidates Buck Elsass and Bill Kammerer, and the Ohio LP statewide slate will also be viewing these Libertarian ads.

Please, I am urging everyone to make their maximum possible donation right here. Yes, we want everyone to donate to all the candidates above, but then we must give these message mavens the chance to work their creative magic and run spots that will air for the two weeks up to the election.

If we can raise just $15,000 more for these TV ads would energize every LP campaign in area and $30,000 could yield a media payoff that would leverage our investment many times over … these are the kind of spots that can create a buzz nationwide that will amaze us all …

Travis ran for mayor of his hometown in Bexley, Ohio in 2007 and produced a short documentary about this experience called “American Mayor,” which was featured in the 2010 Short Film Corner at the Festival de Cannes and the Atlanta International Documentary Film Festival. A television commercial from that race was featured on the Jay Leno show in July 2010.

The Irvine for Congress campaign represents a long-term investment for all of us. We need to support this effort today, measure its effects, and expand such outreach in years to come.

Irvine for Congress: Vote Different
A Federal Budget Haircut
The Kiss of Debt
Fatcat Tiberi
Paula Brokes’ Carpet bagging
GOP: An Apology to America

Donations to Irvine for Congress can be made through the website by credit card or paypal.
Checks should be made payable to: “Irvine for Congress” and mailed to: Irvine for Congress, 729 College Ave, Columbus, OH 43209.

There they are. Thirteen impressive candidates. Thirteen campaigns in need of funds – mine and yours – funds to help them meet their goals for building the LP and for victory.

These thirteen need your help. I had planned to give $5,000 to campaign 2010. I have pushed myself significantly beyond that level. But, it’s not enough. It’s urgent that each of you join me in giving whatever you can – any amount – to some, or just one, or all. But please send your best donations today.

There are three statewide campaigns that need your support – where they can win ballot status. Not states that are easy that we always win, nor those that seem impossible, but those where it is possible – difficult, but doable, with some help and a push – and a donation from me and you.

There are eight winnable races for state offices – State Representatives and State Senate. No, there’s no guarantee that we’ll win, but we can help fund candidates who are in the race, who are serious, who are the best candidate in the race and who could win.

And, something special. The wild card race. Travis Irvine. I have watched his videos. They are amazing, funny, clever, witty … they carry a message and a punch. We absolutely must these make sure that these ads are widely broadcast on major network TV in his district.

Of course, the money that I had planned to donate is running out and it’s getting spread a bit thin – sad to say. Sure, I could have just kept my money, complaining and doing nothing. But, I have to try. Maybe none of these candidates will win and no one will win ballot status this time. Maybe some will succeed. But, I know that the worst regrets in life come from the things not attempted, the battles not fought, the roads not traveled …

… and I know that if we keep running high quality campaigns, and help them with the money to be competitive, eventually we will start winning. We must fund our best candidates. This year and every year.

So, I’m giving. All that I can. More than I can afford. Because I have to. Because we can never win if we never try. There is nothing in this for me – no campaign, no LP office, no commissions, and I have not included any of my LP friends who are running for office on this list (sorry guys). In fact, I’m asking them to give to these other campaigns too!

What is in this for me, and for you, is a chance. A chance to build the LP, begin to build the party, to raise more money than ever before. A chance to begin to push back against the tyrant that is our government today.

Now, I want you to seriously think about this. Because I think we have something amazing going on … Something we need to fund … We have high quality candidates and campaigns who just need ammunition to fight back, for all of us … and all we have to do is donate.

We have large groups of individuals all across America looking for a new political home, we have incredible candidates campaigning hard, reaching out to these new prospects, building our party, spreading the seeds of liberty, badly in need of funds, we have the Libertarian National Congressional Committee donating significantly for the first time, and

… we have our dedicated LP members, donors and friends – you – the most important piece in this effort …

Please join us in donating for liberty.

Please do it now. Today. There is no time left.

Every candidate above has a website where you can click and donate.

Please scroll back up, click, and join us in donating for Liberty.

Nick Youngers
Libertarian Donors Club

You discredited your entire list with the presence of

Christine Smith on it.

That woman is certifiable.

I've met her.

You obviously didn't see her rant on the stage for her Presidential nomination at the LP convention in '08.

Not only would I not vote for her, I sure as heck wouldn't donate any money to her. If she wins a seat, God help the people of her district.

And here's a tip. Establish a free blog via blogger or some such site, or personal web space via your ISP and put that list there. That is a REALLY long post to scroll through to get past it. Quite annoying.

Ron Paul endorsed the

Ron Paul endorsed the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin, during the '08 election. Does that mean RP considers the Constitution Party to be more in line with his views or that Chuck Baldwin was a better candidate than Bob Barr, the LP nominee?

In any case, both the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party wanted Ron Paul to be their nominee in the '08 presidential election. Maybe both of these parties ought to consider working together. Maybe even find a way where they can merge to become a much more powerful party as a whole.


Paul would have endorsed Barr if he had shown up to

receive it as Baldwin, Nader and McKinney did.

Barr Insisted

It appeared that Dr Paul did not wish to endorse either party over the other, but Baldwin showed up, and Barr did not and insisted that Paul choose.

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Both Barr and Baldwin were

Both Barr and Baldwin were unelectable, so Ron probably just threw his support behind the guy he liked more. Barr is a bit of a creep, and Baldwin has less of a chance of becoming president in the future than Octomom.

As to the question, John2k,

I certainly would say that Baldwin was a better candidate than Barr.

As far as whether the Constitution Party or the Libertarians are more inline with Ron Paul's views, I believe that they both have been endorsed by Paul in the past. If I am not mistaken, he is still a member of the Libertarian Party in good standing, and he did end up endorsing the Constitution Party candidate in '08.

I also agree that a merged party would be a force to be reckoned with, and would give both the Democrats and Republicans a run for their money. I wish they would unite as well.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

sorry, a merged LP and CP would be nothing more than an

exercise in combining letters and making up a new name.

Instead of two unorganized and ineffective losing parties, we'd have one.

That is all.

They are not and could not be a forced to be reckoned with as the presently are constituted.

To be a force, you need organization at the county and precinct level, and you need more money than God so you can get around the MSM. Hell, even God gets a bad rap in the media and has a tough time defending himself. How do you expect the LP/CP to pull it off?

unite as well

Or at least form a nonaggression pact and not divide the "third party" vote in numerous legislative races throughout the Union. Of course, the flagship races -- contests for ballot status -- would remain every party for itself, but there is no need to dilute our strength against our common adversaries the deMOBlicans and the rePUCrats, especially when we are already so closely aligned. The main difference between the Libertutionists and the Constitarians is the Constitution Party equals the Libertarian Party plus Jesus plus fences on the borders.

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the answer is

No. It is more likely that one of the two existing parties will be taken over or that a populist movement will emerge and a new populist party will replace one of the two parties. The Libertarian Party has proven itself inept.


there are many Libertarians who refuse to see that the populist movement will inevitably replace the 2-parties from within! they refuse to see the transformations that have already take place! these people, for better or for worse, imagine that the L-party is the true holy party and remain steadfast to that title.

ironically, it is these same people who remain loyal to this title who are precisely the same ones who will abandon their own party if it ever gets big enough to be a threat, anyway.

This is because if the L ticket did become a massive threat, then it would soon be deemed unsatisfactory to the self-described purist.

This is the type of dysfunction that clinging on to labels has. Losing control of your brand has everlasting and damaging effects.

But it's just a label.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people think they understand the false left/right paradigm, and all the while, will find some another way to draw circles around themselves...

As is the case under current examination: many Libertarians can't stand the thought of being called a Democrat or Republican. The label is repulsive (and understandably so). But by locking themselves into a corner, they also lock themselves out of participating a two-party monopoly that they truly yearn to participate in.

Must have Instant Runoff Voting

in order for a third-party to win.

Nope IRV will change nothing.

You need ranked approval voting.(aka range or score voting)


Be sure to read the critique of IRV to understand why it sucks so bad.