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Vatican Claims that "There is no longer a chosen people."

VATICAN: You´re not god´s "chosen people" anymore

Quote:In a separate part of the document -- a section on cooperation with Jews -- the synod fathers also took issue with Jews who use the Bible to justify settlements in the West Bank, which Israel captured in 1967.

"Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable," the document said.

Many Jewish settlers and right-wing Israelis claim a biblical birthright to the West Bank, which they call Judea and Samaria and regard as a part of historical, ancient Israel given to the Jews by God.

Asked about the passage at a news conference, Greek-Melchite Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros, said:

"We Christians cannot speak about the promised land for the Jewish people. There is no longer a chosen people. All men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.

"The concept of the promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians," he added. "The justification of Israel's occupation of the land of Palestine cannot be based on sacred scriptures."

The synod's concluding message repeated a Vatican call for Jerusalem to have a special status "which respects its particular character" as a city sacred to the three great monotheistic religions -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3973590,00.html

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There never have been any

There never have been any "chosen" people. Religions are tools to control others by keeping them ignorant and satisfied that their lives have purpose, when in fact the only purpose of life is to reproduce and continue one's genetic line. All else is an illusion and the causality of human action.

Not ALL, but

to all those who "believe" on the only begotten SON.

Hense the need to immitate.

If my god didn't pick me, I would pick a different god.

That whole thing is just silly.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Well then it's been silly

for 6000 years, and we keep looking for aliens to save us.

GOD has chosen us all to come to repentance but not all accept and do a rejection. God calls ALL but ALL do not receive HIM.

UP to date language; MANY are called, but few "have" chosen HIM. First commandment.
Some hearts are not able to be broken to repentance because they have been hardened for to long. 666.

666 ,= no longer able to be reached by the WORD.
And then the flood came.
But Noah found GRACE in the eyes of the LORD.
Then a period of silence until ABRAHAM called on the name of the LORD.

For you anti- dispensationalists this would possibly be called a dispensation of silence. It's just a time frame.

Now we have aliens involved?

Who did they pick? And at which millennial milestone does silly become not silly?
Creators create, sometimes the created get very clever and they pick gods to worship. Gods are things men create to try to understand their Creator. Gods are piss poor substitutes for Creators, too. If the Creator pays any attention at all, I suppose it may be rather amusing, but, really...

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

There is a DIFFERENCE between

discrimination and DISCERNMENT. THE latter is required by intelligent beings.

Israel is the people who are God's Earthly minded.

Christ is God's Spiritual people. Israel was to become what Christians are, (in God's eye). Israel was to lead all men to God' through what Abraham was given, (FAITH), which Abraham exibited on the Mount.
Salvation has ALWAYS been by FAITH , that comes out of SPIRIT conviction of the human condition. Confession of the condition leads men to accept the propitiation that GOD has provided in Christ's finished work of GRACE shown towards mankind.

God will once again turn to the Nation of Israel to finish what HE started in that people. Through them the Nations of the World have been and will become Blessed. Christ IS their lost inheritance and the land will be theirs in God's time. Christ WAS, IS, and shall be FOREVER, King of the JEWS. Inspite of a stiff necked people. God will perform it. IT IS their land by PROMISE, though they missed out on the TRUE fullfilling PROMISE. Israel will be RESTORED.
They are a witness of God's handiwork, to the World, inspite of their disobeydience and unbelief.

They are my step brothers in inheritance. I have been adopted into their TRUE household, the houshold of FAITH. Not by MIGHT, but by MY SPIRIT, says the LORD. No one or anything can pluck us from HIS hand. I am a Christian because of the inheritence of Abraham. There are 24 foundation stones, 12 of which are the tribes of ISRAEL.

God uses the Nations to chastise HIS people, but also, the Nations will be judged as to how they treated the JEW. God's true restoration and assembly of Israel will only happen at Christ's second advent and the Marrage supper of the Lamb. The World will turn their guns on Christ at HIS appearing, only to be slain by the WORD of HIS mouth, a two edged sword.

Israel still looks for their king so we must go through the Earthly makings of a false Christ.

The parable of two sons. One son said "no", the second son said "yes" we will. The second son did not do what he said he would do so GOD turned back to the first son to accomplish the task. Gentiles vs. Israelite. The secret kept from satan and from the foundations of Creation. The second son will be restored.

AND they shall all become one .

I would make a guess to say

that if you had to convince your tribe to go around killing every man woman and child in every village you opposed you would come up with something like "it's ok we're gods chosen people".

Maybe the Vatican is on to something.

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Does the Pope or a bunch of bishops speak for the Almighty?

Which one? Who is on the Lord's side? The answer is both are wrong. No one can speak for the Almighty, and no one should believe anyone who claims to.

Quote from story:

In a separate part of the document -- a section on cooperation with Jews -- the synod fathers also took issue with Jews who use the Bible to justify settlements in the West Bank, which Israel captured in 1967.

"Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable," the document said.

Didn't the Church use the Bible to justify: the Crusades, No contraception, No marriage for priests or nuns, and No abortion under any circumstances?

They are hypocrites.

not sure how to interpret this

With all due respect to you, Mike, I am not sure I follow the reasoning of your if/then statement:

If the Jewish people are still the "chosen", then there was never a need for Jesus to come to Earth.

A little clarification so I may understand your position.

Thanks in advance

4RonP

4RonP

Wow. The Roman Catholic church read the bible

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matthew 21:43
If the Jewish people are still the "chosen", then there was never a need for Jesus to come to Earth.

god point

keep in mind, the Roman Catholic church wrote the bible.

The Jewish Nation is in a state of unbelief

NOT in a state of forsakeness. GoD is correcting them, refining them. They follow bad leadership in their priesthood. Who did Christ scorn, their leaders not the people themselves. They forsake FAITH for vain glory. They have left their FIRST LOVE.
GOD IS LOVE. First commandment. The second commandment is like unto the first. IN these two is fullfilled all the rest. Accepting Christ fullfills all these LAWs. Therefore there is NO condemnation to those in the FAITH of Christ Jesus. The curse of the LAW is broken, to those who believe on the SON.
For in the SON, GOD made manifest HIS LOVE towards mankind. To reject the SON, is to reject LOVE, for GOD is LOVE. There is NO excuse.

I am sorry Mike...

But this should be read in its context: The context is in reference to the specific generation of Jewish leaders who were in opposition to Him. Even though the Jewish people are 'chosen', Jesus still needed to come, because, as John quotes Him as saying: "Truely, Truely I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. And the slave does not remain in the house forever, but the son does remain forever. Therefore, If the Son sets you free, you are free indeed." (see Isaiah 52:12 through 53 for a great picture, written 700 years before Jesus for the purpose of his coming.)

Later on, the disciples ask Him when, (note: not if but when) the kingdom would be restored to Israel, He does not deny that it will happen, but tells them, essentially,'It's for God to know and you to find out.' In another passage, He promises that they will reign on twelve thrones over the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28

Romans 11 also applies here.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The Catholic Church

gave you the Bible.

Not the Roman Catholic Church

.

Then what Catholic Church?

This is the only church that was established by Christ.

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Just seems like Judeo/Christianity minutae that no one under 40

even gives a damn about in the real world anymore.

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Combine this thread and that other and frontpage

I knew this was coming!

The seat of the new global "religion", where the anti-Christ will reside.

It's getting closer.

Afraid you're right

However, this universal religion will be anything BUT Catholic, even though it may reside in Rome, call itself the "Vatican," the College of Bishops or even the Pope.

Always double check what the "Vatican" says as opposed to Catholic doctrine or the actual words of the Pope.