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Is Cointel Pro responsible for this "Zionist" term that is popping up everywhere?

I hesitate to post this because I don't want to invite the ugliness that will ensue. At the same time, I’d like to hear from my DP brethren.
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Ready to pull this thread...

The liberty movement is not good at self policing by definition....but if we keep allowing ourselves to be labeled racists an anti-Semites then we will not be able to spread our message.

This is my plea:

If you are honestly not racist, but are concerned about the Zionist conspiracy, could you just keep it to yourself.

Here is why:

It does not matter if we are losing our country and our liberties to a cabal of Zionists or lizard aliens.

The REMEDY IS THE SAME. Liberty.

If we live in a society with liberty and limited government then no conspiracy would be successful. ***

Anyone find this as disturbing as me?

Every time you find a liberty video on youtube these days the comments are filled with vitriol against these so called “Zionists.”

This is a traditional codeword for old fashioned jew hating. But, I don’t think there are that many jew haters around. I’m calling BS. I think with the exception of a perhaps a few unemployed neonazi wannabes, the only people that have enough time on their hands to fill comments sections on liberty articles and liberty issue treatments with ravings about “Zionists” must be on the payroll of people who want to discredit the liberty movement. Perhaps the pentagon, perhaps cointel pro, maybe the ADL…but I’m sorry, I don’t believe there are that many true anti-semites around these days to be making all of these comments.

I especially find them troubling on the DP.

(for the true believers, please don’t split hairs with the, “not all jews are Zionist” routine…if
you are a racist then you get off on using the word Zionist. It gives you a little rush…be honest)

**OK, let's say I buy into your collectivist notion that there is an extremely large group of people up to these nefarious deeds, what is your Final Solution?**



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Everything you said here is correct but

Things you've said elsewhere make me want to ask whose taxdollars are funding you... :p

nobody

I just call it as I see it.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

Good post. Very true

There are tons of Jew hating retards on this forum, for some reason. I am pretty sure quite a few of them are government trolls. Some are just losers looking for a minority to blame for all their problems.

Typical Daily Paul rant by some retard/loser/government troll: Oh NOEZ!! Teh J00z have an evil plot to take over teh world!!! OMFG teh ADL represents all J00z and their evil plot to conquer the world!! And they already conquered it somehow11!!!1!! OMG!! Noeeezz!!

Fucking retards.

meh

Jewish nationalism (Zionism) is fine.
Mexican nationalism, African nationalism, etc, etc...
Everyone gets a home to celebrate their distinct heritage
and culture except my race, the White race.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

Judaism is a relgion...

I up-voted your post. But...

Hating on Jews is hating on a religion. Not a race.

I am as white as it gets.

Part German, part Czech / Slovak, part Hungarian, part Russian, even some Romanian in there...

I am as European as it gets.

My mother's side is Catholic, father's side Jewish. I am Messianic Jew.

Am I not white? Did my skin color change, when you interject your opinion? Just asking.

Being "White" or "Black" is NOT a heritage. Being German is. Being Russian is. Being British is. Being Irish is. Being Italian is.

Being Nigerian is. Being Kenyan is. Being white or black or brown is not a heritage, it is a color in the light spectrum.

Where exactly do you want this "White" country to be? Will there be no one but "Whites" allowed? I just don't get it.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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I haven't "hated on"

I haven't "hated on" anyone.
Except, maybe, on people who look like me, but have no loyalty to me.
As far as I'm concerned, whether you consider yourself Jewish or
White is not as important to me as whether you are "pro White" or "pro White genocide".

I never understand that either.

where does "Race" come into the picture?
anymore, when anyone even uses that term within this context...
I blow them off as ignorant.

race comes in here

Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation. First used to denote national affiliations, the term began to be used to relate to physical traits in the 17th century and promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[1][2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

I suppose this is like 'Entropy'

there is a new use of the word, so be it.

my eyes tell me the original definition is correct. there are only 3.

they are VERY easy to tell apart dear. to make it more complicated than that is well.... racist.

the native Americans and Jews BOTH, are clearly 'Mongoloid'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

hmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2tZqXWa7no

Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
Happier than you and me
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see

Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
One chromosome, too many
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see

And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew

That he was a mongoloid, mongoloid
His friends were unaware
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
Nobody even cared

Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
One chromosome, too many
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see

And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew

He was a mongoloid, mongoloid
Happier than you and me
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see

Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
One chromosome, too many
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see

And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew

Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid

you win! there are a BAZILLION races!!!!!!!

no, 100 BAZILLION races!!!!!!!! 200!!!!

MY BAD!

(but I still don't want to fight over it)

I'm not in this race to win

Hell, I'm part mongoloid and apparently got the extra chromezone

Put the 'free' one

in some effort to take that course in logic.

Maybe you can set an example?

Take a break from being a bully and exposing your brutal hate and frustration on me simply because I don't agree with you on issues.

Granger, point out where I have been a bully to anyone.

Your tactics don't work on me.

If you want to have a discussion I welcome it, but if all you can do is throw labels depending on your mood of the day it will go nowhere.

And Granger please give this idea some thought. ISSUES divide, PRINCIPLES unite.

If you put issues over principles you will not unite with anybody to accomplish anything meaningful because we are all different.

Tactics

Seems to me, you are constantly labeling me and insinuating a have some motive.

I don't agree with you.. issues unite, take medical marijuana as an issue, for example. In 1994 when I collected over 10K signatures for that one issue, the range of people that united for that one issue developed into 56% of the voters in CA in '96. We're talking about tens of millions of people, many who didn't inhale, but felt that the laws were unjust.

Principles divide, for example, that the last election, I for example, did what Ron Paul asked, made me sick, but I joined the GOP in 2011, scared me to go, but I went to a committee meeting, and when I saw the GOP for what it was, a MSM facade, I kept going, and then it took me weeks of kncoking on doors to petition for ballot access as a Ron paul Republican, I qualified, and that had me sign loyalty OATHS, to the people who elected me, and then I became the NW team leader for Ron Paul's campaign, worked four counties, and placed third in the state of CA for the most contributions and votes for Ron Paul out of 53 counties. I drove to four polling places counting votes, I maxed out my contributions for Ron Paul, I spend more than that in gas, phone, mailing campaign materials, and when he lost, well, the phone calls from the campaign, the thank you letters really didn't help me not feel bad. And then finding out that I had to vote Romney.. to keep my seat, that oath I took.. because people here wanted a Ron Paul Republican representing them. So by my principles, I did not abandon the people who voted for me and helped me get that seat. They have a Ron Paul Republican, and now they have a Liberty Committee. For me, principles mean that you do what you say you are going to do, even when it hurts.

For others, who never joined to GOP, never tried to be a delegate, voted for another Republican because he put on a LP pin, they tell me that they have principles.. I don't see it. You took Ron Paul's message, you didn't back him or us because you didn't want to get dirty, and then you have no respect for me or what I do, but expect me to think you LOVE Ron Paul more than me?

We don't agree. I hope you understand why.

you STILL don't get it.

we are ALL, PART something!

I DO NOT accept your PC version of what a 'Race' is.
there are only 3 and it is nothing to fight over. just like Male and female. the 3 are different.

viva la difference!

YOUR definition is the one that impedes understanding and cooperation, not mine.

You're a cracker

My Dad was a quarter native American (Clatsop) and I met many Native Americans in the military through him.. and there was not a lot of pride for being Native American in The Greatest Generation.. one reason my Dad joined the service, had his Dad signed papers, to get off the rez.. he hated the rez. he hated the native American in him, and your post made me think.. it's because when a people are broken, when they lose their land, their freedom, their culture.. they really have nothing left to live FOR.. but serving (enslavment) and I think as history cycles, today we have many people today who never had land, never had culture.. they have nothing to lose, but a bitterness against those who have, and maybe this is the heart of the hatred for Israel?

The way I was raised, it had to do with nations

So when seen as a nation, which is cultural, Native Americasn and Jews are a race.

But in the NWO, there is no human race, just consumers that need to be eliminated.

In your opinion, "Zionists"

In your opinion, "Zionists" is a traditional code word for old fashioned Jew hating. That's what Jewish supremacists say about anyone who is critical of Israel.

Zionism is a valid term for Israeli nationalism. It is not "the Z-word".

Personally, I don't have anything against Israel or Jewish people.
I think everyone should have a home. I just think they should go there, so they can juda each other and their neighbors.

What I do have a problem with is the Jewification of America, a nation created primarily by and in the interest of Europeans, who were good-hearted and open-minded enough to accept people of many different cultures, who now refuse to be assimilated and are intent on the genocide of my race, the white race, in America.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

Please explain to me what a "Jewish supremacist" is...

...and detail the long history of "Jewish supremacism." If you would.

Another term that I need defined, in order to understand your point, is "Jewification". I tried looking it up, but just could not find it anywhere.

So if you have no problems with Jews, I'm wondering why you want all Jews to go to Israel, even if they're 5th generation natural born citizens of the United States of America, who are Constitutional conservative libertarians and are die hard advocates of individual liberty and free markets. Not very constitutional-conservative of you. Not very libertarian, or individualist of you either. Very "authoritarian collectivist", with a Nazi twist.

I think, since you are the one proposing a separate "White Nation" where people of other faiths, creeds and colors would be expropriated from living, then YOU should be the one to LEAVE the USA and go to your "White" homeland. Wherever that may be.
Oh, by the way, what is the 'White' religion, exactly? Norse Mythology?

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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As I used it here,

As I used it here, jewification, was in response to the attempt in the original post to redefine the benign term "Zionist" to an inferred Jewish perspective that it is a derogatory word.

Race as far as I know, not being a geneticist, is identifiable due to observable frequencies of allelle clusters that tend to form in groups of people who live together and interact closely over periods of time.

Genotypes are identifiable and recent scientific studies have indicated that genetic makeup indeed has some effect on psychology as well as physiology. Therefore, race is real.

In example, I present the following Wired Magazine article from 2007,
A New DNA Test Can ID a Suspect's Race, But Police Won't Touch It
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/magazine/16-01/ps_dna

By the way, I did not propose "separate" anything. You are putting words in my post again. I have not made any hateful statements in this entire thread, while being called all kinds of hateful names, from a sexual deviant, to a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, simply for having a pro White opinion.

Why are you anti-White?

I did not say "all Jews"

I did not say "all Jews" should go to Israel. Only the ones who want to live in a Jewish state should go to their home, a very NICE home.

My race, the White race, comprises 10% of the world population and we are spread out over the top of the globe with NO home.

Asian is for the Asians, Africa is for the Africans, WHITE COUNTRIES ARE FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and "assimilating" with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black country and ONLY into Black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane Black man to notice this and what kind of psycho Black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of GENOCIDE against my race, the White race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

That's pretty good.

"Hey guys, I'm a white nationalist, inexplicably chilling on the DP. Watch as I subtly try to associate my racist beliefs with anti-Zionism".

Well played, shill. Well played.

You called it

"Hey guys, I'm a white nationalist, inexplicably chilling on the DP."
NAILED IT.

To answer the topic, recent disinfo trends have been to encourage other DP users to express violent intent (note all the "I GOT MAH GUN" posts), or to egg people onto saying racist or ridiculous conspiratorial stuff ("there were no planes on 9/11!") to discredit all of us.

I like most of the "I got mah gun posts"

So long as they're talking about defending themselves from tyranny.

Also, conspiratorial stuff I like, so long as it has some basis in fact, and there is ample evidence to back it up.

That said, I think the worst result of possible propagandists, or even just riled up emotional anti-Israel posters, is they make the DP look racist, and even worse, that we concentrate on things like hating Israel before restoring our own country here.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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My beef with Israel

is they are using MY money to kill brown people and influence US policy.

I don't care if jews and muslims want to duke it out over that speck of land, but I want my tax dollars and my country out of it. And I want AIPAC to stop buying my country's politicians. Until that day comes, everything that happens in the ME is very much my, and every other American's, business.

I have nothing against any individuals. It's the collectivists and supremacists that I am opposed to.

I am against all foreign aid.

But make no mistake, the US has a lot more power than Israel and our government uses the government of Israel a lot more than vice versa. We give 7 times the $billions in foreign aid we give Israel, to enemies of Israel, like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, and even "Palestine", among others. Even Ron Paul brings up that point.

Most important, the globalist MIC that is borderless, uses the US to fund all sides, to keep conflict going, to profit and control populations. Israel is the centerpiece of this conflict. Israel could have won a decisive victory several times, but the MIC globalists who control the US and the UN, would always undo their victories. Such as the time Eisenhower forced Israel to give back the captured Suez Canal, via UN resolution.
Also, Ron Paul was the only American office holder who publicly approved of Israel's sovereign action to bomb Iraqi nuke sites, in 1981. The rest of the government, under Reagan no less, condemned Israel.

Israel's relationship with the US is also not nearly as peachy as some posters here believe. Up until recently, the US spent more money spying on Israel than any other nation. And if you think things aren't like that, just look at the Brits who were caught spying on all the NATO allies at that recent summit or whatever.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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LawMan

Has it ever occurred to you that the politics of both counties are being used by a shadow, evil effort?

And people like you don't want to discuss that. People like you want the subject banned, and you spew out Labels and Hate.

This is history and you ignore it but want to continue the demise of freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOiKKR0BxfE&feature=youtu.be

Unlike YOU, I don't believe people hate each other because of their religion. I've always thought that each of our spiritual path was our own responsibility.

And showing an example of truth would trump lies.

People that hate truth continue evil.