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Is Cointel Pro responsible for this "Zionist" term that is popping up everywhere?

I hesitate to post this because I don't want to invite the ugliness that will ensue. At the same time, I’d like to hear from my DP brethren.
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Ready to pull this thread...

The liberty movement is not good at self policing by definition....but if we keep allowing ourselves to be labeled racists an anti-Semites then we will not be able to spread our message.

This is my plea:

If you are honestly not racist, but are concerned about the Zionist conspiracy, could you just keep it to yourself.

Here is why:

It does not matter if we are losing our country and our liberties to a cabal of Zionists or lizard aliens.

The REMEDY IS THE SAME. Liberty.

If we live in a society with liberty and limited government then no conspiracy would be successful. ***

Anyone find this as disturbing as me?

Every time you find a liberty video on youtube these days the comments are filled with vitriol against these so called “Zionists.”

This is a traditional codeword for old fashioned jew hating. But, I don’t think there are that many jew haters around. I’m calling BS. I think with the exception of a perhaps a few unemployed neonazi wannabes, the only people that have enough time on their hands to fill comments sections on liberty articles and liberty issue treatments with ravings about “Zionists” must be on the payroll of people who want to discredit the liberty movement. Perhaps the pentagon, perhaps cointel pro, maybe the ADL…but I’m sorry, I don’t believe there are that many true anti-semites around these days to be making all of these comments.

I especially find them troubling on the DP.

(for the true believers, please don’t split hairs with the, “not all jews are Zionist” routine…if
you are a racist then you get off on using the word Zionist. It gives you a little rush…be honest)

**OK, let's say I buy into your collectivist notion that there is an extremely large group of people up to these nefarious deeds, what is your Final Solution?**

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Spin artist...

I am doing nothing of the sort... defending the corrupt educational system or MSM/TV.

You are a troll. Everything you type is spin, twist words, put words in mouths.

You're the stubborn one who needs to wake up.

I mean how many times have you called me a "Zionist" based on whatever non-sensical definition you've ascribed to that term?

How many times have you and your fellow Jew-hating ignoramuses claimed I was a disinfo agent, called me Israeli, and ascribed all kinds of viewpoints to me that I do not hold?

All in your blind, bloodthirsty quest to blame Israel for all the world's problems, including yours.

I wouldn't accept your prayers, and I highly doubt G-d will either, except in vain, blasphemy. Since you curse Israel, he will likely curse you.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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Wow!

I've never called you a Zionist or labeled you in any way!

I've never said I hated Jews or anybody else.

I've pointed out politics that have been destructive to Liberty, not only for America but elsewhere.

You sir are full of hatred.

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If you're serious about

If you're serious about anything in life you should expect to have some negativity come your way. So what if people label you as racists or anti-semite? If the opposition needs to resort to irrational smear tactics, then clearly they are flailing around about to drown.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Do you not know that

Do you not know that "Zionists" is not a pejorative? There are many pro Israel folks who proudly proclaim themselves "Zionists." In fact, there are many organizations with that word in the title. You are barking up the wrong tree. A group does not get to use a word with pride and then ban it or marginalize others who use it. I do NOT hate "the Jews," but I am ardently anti-Zionist, at least in the way it has been applied in Palestine. Theoretically, Zionism is fine, but in reality, it has led to an apartheid state.

Do you not know that

Do you not know that "Zionists" is not a pejorative? There are many pro Israel folks who proudly proclaim themselves "Zionists." In fact, there are many organizations with that word in the title. You are barking up the wrong tree. A group does not get to use a word with pride and then ban it or marginalize others who use it. I do NOT hate "the Jews," but I am ardently anti-Zionist, at least in the way it has been applied in Palestine. Theoretically, Zionism is fine, but in reality, it has led to an apartheid state.

Think one problem is your false-definition of the term..

...Zionism.

Zionism = The belief that the Nation of Israel should exist today.

There may be people with lots of different agendas FOR the nation state of Israel.

You must describe that agenda which you find threatening.

If it is the simple fact of it's existence that bothers you, then how can one not question if your motives are not prejudicial?
I mean, everyone has the right to exist, don't they? If they are attacked and they fight, that is self-defense, no?

Jews have NEVER left the 'Holy Land' (another of the many names that don't matter). While populations of Jews there have fluctuated greatly, there has always remained at least a significant Jewish minority. From before the Crusades, throughout, and until this day.

Zionism, meaning Israeli nationalism, means what?
That they are proud to have a strip of land the size of NJ in the desert? Good for them. What's your problem? Ypu want the liberty movement to waste time to try to eliminate this country? No? Then what's the agenda?

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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Lawmanjed, that is NOT what

Lawmanjed, that is NOT what Zionism means. You left out the part about denying indigenous Palestinians the right to return to their old villages and homes. You left out the part about the right of settlers to colonize the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine, and the part about the right to set up a government subsidized, apartheid system.

Most of the Jews who "returned" to the Holy Land had never been there before. The Khazarians, the source of most East European Jewry, were not even Semites.

I want Israel free to do as it pleases, and to face the consequences, without one penny of my tax money and without diplomatic immunity from the US at the UN.

You're making that up.

There are lots of Muslims living in Israel.
There are Muslims in the Kinneset.

You want Israel to give up it's land, to a newly created state called Palestine. That is what you're proposing. If you don't get that you call it apartheid. Muslims can live in Israel, on whatever lands they want, but it will be ISRAEL, not Palestine, and that is your problem. Let's clear things up! "Palestinians" refuse to live next to non-Muslims. Israeli Muslims are ok with it.

Again Judaism is a religion, not a race. Their race did not matter to the countries that put them in camps, and it did not matter when it came to turning away refugees. Only their religion mattered. Their faith is what brought them to their Biblical homeland. After the price that was paid, and the circumstances, it seemed perfectly reasonable for many Jews to make a return to Israel. Maybe they were played by evil globalists and were set up t be destroyed, but they secretly made weapons underground, and with G-d's Help, they fought off the attackers, thus solidifying the nation of Israel.

You guys are hopelessly brainwashed. I don't enjoy repeating the same facts and points over and over, like you guys apparently do.

From now on, I'll refrain from commenting on Israel threads, and let you Stormfront guys have your little circle jerk.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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I notice that you Zionists

I notice that you Zionists continuously raise red herrings. First, the presence of Palestinians in Israel in no way excuses the ethnic cleansing that took place in 1948. Just because Israel did not remove every single Palestinian, does not mean there was no ethnic cleansing.

Your take is really bizarre and assumes too much about me. I don't support a two state solution. I prefer no state at all, but if there must be a state, let it be a one state solution, with no group treated preferentially, unlike the Israel of today. Another possible solution is two state condominialism. Look it up if you are curious.

You are hopelessly moronic in your misguided theistic ideology.

Can we agree that the US should divorce itself completely from state intervention in the Middle East? Including all aid to any nation there? If we can't agree on that, then there is no point in talking with you any longer. I want Israel free to do as it pleases, but I want it to have to face the consequences, without Uncle Sam coddling it and protecting it. Same goes for the corrupt Palestine Authority. I also want Palestinians free to resist Israel's apartheid in whatever they deem necessary. That doesn't mean I take joy in blood being spilled. But I am tired of Westerners condemning Arab terror while they drop bombs from on high and give money to Israel so that it can commit war crimes. Somehow, I don't think you feel the same way. Do you? Maybe I have you mistaken for some other nasty anti Arab bigot and hypocrite. I hope so.

I've stated multiple times...

I am against foreign aid and involving America at all in that region other than free market trade.

As a Jew I support the nation of Israel existing. Period. That is my stance. I do not claim to think Israel's government is perfect just like I do not pretend mine is. But I support their existence and understand the situation there. I know propaganda when I see it. From any side, of any conflict.

A one state solution is Israel. If muslims can get over living next to non-muslims, it would already be that way. If there are those Jews using tyrannical methods to keep a Jewish majority there, I do not agree with that policy. But I also do not agree with letting in all muslims so they can vote for Sharia Law, just like I don't believe we should just open the borders here, and let all Mexicans and other immigrants in, so they can vote democrat. Israel is a complicated place. We should not meddle in their affairs. But we should be friendly trade partners. My problem is people bashing Isreal just for being there, and the Jewish people. Anyone acting like that doesn't go on here, is lying.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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But this is the crux of the

But this is the crux of the problem. Israelis by and large want a Jewish state with Jewish privilege. The non-Jews do not. Israel is making a two state solution impossible with its Jewish only settlements scattered throughout the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine. That remaining 22 per cent is only the size of Delaware, less than half the size of New Jersey. There is no one state solution because ISRAEL does not want it. You are correct that many Palestian Muslims have been radicalized, but the PLO long ago called for a secular state. Again, Israel refused to even discuss it.

LawMan

Perhaps the problem is ... Who Are Israelites?

Did the Bible speak in Geographical terms, DNA terms, or those that professed the faith?

I think the 'chosen people' doen't take advantage of their brothers, pure and simple.

What do you think?

You live today in a Zionist Banking System. It's ready to collapse. Did the term represent YOUR definition of Zion? I have no clue. Has the evil of fractional banking been used by Zionists? You tell me.

I'll say once again, lying, cheating, and stealing is WRONG. Label it however you want.

Latter Day Zionists seem to excel by changing and twisting everything from reality.

It's a religion.... So it's through faith...

There may be a bloodline, but that is less important.

As a Messianic Jew, you're picking a fight with the wrong person.

The Messiah brought everyone into the fold who will follow Him. But He came not to change the Law (the Old Testament laws), but to fulfill it.

It's clear you will ignore all facts presented to you anyway, as I have presented these points all before, and you are still spewing the same one-sided BS you always have. So why bother. It is going to go in one ear, out the other, with you guys.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Why do you lump me as an individual into a collective of you

guys?

It's rude and suggest you are paranoid. I'm not out to get the 'Jews' and I'm not blaming any individual, race, or faith for causing wars and economic destruction.

But it seems people love to have themselves lumped into a label and fight other labels and NEVER THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

In doing so things are done in 'their' name with their consent and support.

I don't support KILLING 1 million innocent people in Iraq but I'm an American and America did it. I'm willing to speak out about the atrocities with hopes people will wake up.

I don't support the injustice in Palestine either. So now according to your standards, I'm a Jew Hater that wants to kill all of you.

Kind sir, you have nothing to discuss about individual liberty and personal responsibility, all you have are labels of HATE.

It's not zionist

The central banking system is corporatist.

There are many forms of Zionism, not all zionists are in agreement.

To group a people is what collectivists do. By blaming zionists, you only expose yourself as an uniformed bigot driven by hate.

The queen

of Labels.

so you lable me a queen

you must really be frustrated?

OK. listen up all you sheep,

if any of the flock spots any wolves out there, please, PLEASE just keep it to yourselves. We don't want to upset the wolves by calling them wolves, so we'll call them shepherds instead. OK?

I didn't even read your comment...

...only the title. When you start out your post by insulting people and acting like you are superior, people tend to be less likely to listen to you. Did Ron ever start out a speech with "Listen up all you sheep"? Certainly not. If you really want to educate people, instead of just boost your ego, you may want to title your posts differently. This particular post's title is just off putting.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

It was ment as a joke

in reply to not calling Zionists, Zionists, and for not recognising political Zionism for what it truly is.
I am very sorry to have offended you.

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Old thread...vote down.

Why was this almost 3 year old post resurrected?

Whoever brought this back to active status has some explaining to do. Why hide behind another poster, instead of stepping up and creating a new post under your own screen name?

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Interesting.

I had not even noticed the date when it hit the active list and I commented. Although, it is as applicable today as it was when we had the influx of neo-idiots pretending to be supporters at that time.

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You are an idiot and don't have a clue...

quit wasting our time with your BS!

A ZIONIST = NAZI and no amount of your sugar coating can change that.

You want to call me a racist because I HATE zionism? Thats your problem. I am NOT a racist and reject your premise.

You are either a race baiting, ignorant, stupid man or a troll.

Get a life.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

"I hate zionism".

Ever hear of the non agression principle?

Are you a lover of liberty?

Because if you are, you are going to need to conquer your hate.

You sound like Glenn Beck.

Out of one side of his mouth he claims to be libertarian and then out of the other he wants to wipe the Islamic world off the map.

He obviously doesn't see the contradiction.

Do you?

God Bless.

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NO excuses for hating nazis...

and NO EXCUSES for hating zionists!

Its not changing.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Then ...

your self assessment as being a liberty lover and/or a libertarian is incorrect.

I wish you well on your journey. You still have a long way to go.

God Bless.

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The TRUTH is the TRUTH, my disingenuous friend.

NO ONE can love Liberty and embrace zionism at the same time.

Zionism, like nazism, is anathema to Liberty.

Someone has a long way to go, rhino, and that someone is you.

I have argued here with you for a very long time on this site. You have been wrong, you have been banned, but you still come back and attack the messenger as you always do. This is the same well worn tactic frequently used...attack the messenger as a racist.

As far as wishing people well? I wish you lived under zionist rule like the Palestinians...then, you would see how "nice" zionism is.

Ask the Palestinians.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.