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Is Cointel Pro responsible for this "Zionist" term that is popping up everywhere?

I hesitate to post this because I don't want to invite the ugliness that will ensue. At the same time, I’d like to hear from my DP brethren.
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Ready to pull this thread...

The liberty movement is not good at self policing by definition....but if we keep allowing ourselves to be labeled racists an anti-Semites then we will not be able to spread our message.

This is my plea:

If you are honestly not racist, but are concerned about the Zionist conspiracy, could you just keep it to yourself.

Here is why:

It does not matter if we are losing our country and our liberties to a cabal of Zionists or lizard aliens.

The REMEDY IS THE SAME. Liberty.

If we live in a society with liberty and limited government then no conspiracy would be successful. ***

Anyone find this as disturbing as me?

Every time you find a liberty video on youtube these days the comments are filled with vitriol against these so called “Zionists.”

This is a traditional codeword for old fashioned jew hating. But, I don’t think there are that many jew haters around. I’m calling BS. I think with the exception of a perhaps a few unemployed neonazi wannabes, the only people that have enough time on their hands to fill comments sections on liberty articles and liberty issue treatments with ravings about “Zionists” must be on the payroll of people who want to discredit the liberty movement. Perhaps the pentagon, perhaps cointel pro, maybe the ADL…but I’m sorry, I don’t believe there are that many true anti-semites around these days to be making all of these comments.

I especially find them troubling on the DP.

(for the true believers, please don’t split hairs with the, “not all jews are Zionist” routine…if
you are a racist then you get off on using the word Zionist. It gives you a little rush…be honest)

**OK, let's say I buy into your collectivist notion that there is an extremely large group of people up to these nefarious deeds, what is your Final Solution?**



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you have a long journey ahead my friend.

If an individual attacks you. Self Defense is not violence.

A state can declare war according to the constitution. The constitution says that a state can defend itself by declaring war.

To hate because you disagree is violence and violates the non aggression principle.

To hate, by definition, makes you a bigot.

You are a war mongering bigot and you are no better than the Neocons, Neolibs, and the rest of the status quo that we have been trying to defeat for 8+ years here on the dailypaul.

You are part of the problem. You are not part of the solution at this point in your journey.

God Bless.

so if the French declared God gave them Texas

and then they came to occupy it and create their own laws, native-Texans who want to protect their homes and land, which have been in their families for several generations, are the bad guys, right?

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

Native Texans

Who exactly would that be? The American Indians? The astec indians? THe spanish mix mexicans? Could it be a tribe that was here before the American indians? How about the white Europeans whos ansesters invaded Texas? Meybe the black people who had a past ansester put to slavery in Texas?

So exactly who could it be that would defend this sovereignty of a state issue?

Me I see the reason that states and governments are phony.

sovereign

valid questions... I'll go in order.

I guess at this point it's all of the people you name... and a few more. The point is that Israel in particular is the only modern "manifest destiny" nation taking over someone else's land. The US did the exact same thing with the Native American NDNs. The same brutal, morally-reprehensible extermination and concentration-camp strategy which was employed on this continent to "rid it of savages" is being carried out again, right in front of our eyes, today, in the year 2013, and... America is cheering for Israel?!? Giving it "aid" (in the form of money and weapons) to carry out genocide?!?!

as for seeing all governments as phony, I'm entirely with you... but what choice have we? If you have a suggestion as to how we can be free from government, I'm all ears.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

I am with you on IzUnReal

My sugestion as an alternative. Sovereign free individual. Its an individual decission and an individual responsibility. Enlightened disengagement. leaderless revolt. I do not give my freedom up by submitting to this dicator or that dictate. But I do recongnise that when faced with a force that is superior its best to use other tactics than head on.

sovereign

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The OP is making a PUBLIC RELATIONS argument

It's bad PR for Ron Paul, Rand Paul and the Liberty Movement at large for our websites to be inundated by comments ranting against "Zionists" or "Zionism" or the "Zionist Conspiracy." Because 95% of the non-initiated voters who are our target market do not know the definition of that term.

Here's the "chain of association" that Cointel Pro operatives use against us. It works equally well for accusations of "racism" as it does for "anti-Semitism":

1.Low-information voters assume that ranting against Zionists is the same thing as ranting against Jews.
2. And therefore, in the mind of the low-information voter, if you're ranting against Zionists you're a dirty bigoted anti-Semite.
3. If you're ranting against Zionists on a pro-Ron Paul website, all Ron Paul supporters are dirty bigoted anti-Semites.
4. If all Ron Paul supporters are dirty bigoted anti-Semites, Ron Paul is a dirty bigoted anti-Semite.
5. If Ron Paul is a dirty bigoted anti-Semite, then so is everyone in his family, too.
6. Rand Paul is a dirty bigoted anti-Semite! Vote for Hillary!

Yes, this is full of logical fallacies, but it's incredibly effective. So I agree with the OP 100%. "It does not matter if we are losing our country and our liberties to a cabal of Zionists or lizard aliens. The REMEDY IS THE SAME. Liberty." Very well-said.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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If 95% of the voters don't understand then...

Its time to educate them.

You can roll your ass over and continue to "take it" EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW its not right or you can stand up and be an AMERICAN.

For me, I don't give a RAT'S ASS what you choose but as for me and mine, we will FIGHT against the lies and move forward rather than continue to take it up the wazoo because its politically correct to do so.

Screw your BS!

The time for truth is NOW!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

start with telling the truth

start with telling the truth about Israel's crucial involvement in 9/11!

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With all due respect, the time to WIN ELECTIONS is now.

Hey, I used to be a low-information GOP neo-con voter. I didn't find out what Zionism was (I am embarrassed to admit) until about a year ago. And yet I voted for Ron Paul in 2008 and the Libertarian candidate in 2012.

I didn't need to be "educated" about a political movement in a foreign country before I was able to recognize the issues that face US HERE, in my own country.

I do recognize that MOST people in the U.S. electorate think that Zionists = Jews and Jews = Zionists, and that if you're anti-Zionist you are by definition anti-Semitic. Now, if a Jewish anti-Zionist organization or organizations want to take on that PR campaign, more power to them. But we have enough to do in the Liberty movement in the U.S. to educate our fellow U.S. Citizens about OUR Constitution.

I agree with the OP. I believe the uptick in anti-Zionist comments on Liberty websites is probably part of a Cointel Pro campaign. I also agree that it's meant to alienate low-information voters, paint the Liberty movement, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, etc. as anti-Semitic and waste our time.

You are, of course, welcome to spend your time however you see fit.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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truth

is the truth
is the truth

a group of Israeli Art students just happened to be living, day and night, in the 90th floor of the south tower, the summer of 2001

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

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I'm glad you posted this.

Even though, I am afraid it won't get much traction.

Unless the reference is actually antisemitic, I usually let it go because it is a political philosophy, and that movement has embodied genocidal practices to achieve their ends... However --

We are committing far greater crimes against humanity, daily. As are many of our "allies" and other nations.

This movement, I have always seen as about cleaning our own house. As much as I sympathize with the palistinians, it's not our job to protect them. It is only our job to end in our assistance of that harm.

So end foreign aid to all nations (including Egypt, Israel, etc), and why has this singling out of foreign aid to Israel started to dominate this board?

I can ALMOST understand Granger's over the top reactionary, and bad, response now that I see how much that sort of borderline racism is taking hold.

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Because people like Rand Paul

Because people like Rand Paul keep leaving out Israel when discussing foreign aid. AND because Israel was involved with 9/11. Egypt was not.

As long as ...

Alex Jones is a leading "thinker" (LOL) in the eyes of the people here that think they are liberty lovers, hate will always be a part of the equation ...

Alex Jones only "thinks" he is libertarian.

It is an incorrect self assessment.

And this applies to all haters.

God Bless.

I like Alex Jones

And I am one of those "Zionists" (meaning I believe Israel has every right to exist).

What needs to happen is hate-filled hypocrites need to DEFINE ZIONISM.

Zionism = The belief that Israel has the right to exist...

If that is what Zionism means, then I am a Zionist.

Or...

IF, Zionism = A Luciferian / Masonic plot popularized by Albert Pike to create a communist Russia, followed by WW2 and then followed by the re-creation of Israel, in order to create a global conflict resulting in the destruction of Judaism and Islam, leaving only Christianity & Atheism, to be both eventually destroyed with the revealing of Masonic secret knowledge which reveals that LUCIFER is god, simultaneously destroying Christianity and Atheism, and thus creating the New World Order...

Then I am NOT a "Zionist"

So... It kind of matters how you define "Zionism".

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BS! Baloney!

You are losing the battle and this is your defense.

HA!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I did not know this was a battle.

I thought we were having a discussion.

I simply stated that people who hate are not libertarians, by definition.

If you wish to hate and wage war against zionsim, then that is on you.

I would prefer to point out the broad corruption and cronyism that is inbred into our current policies and point out that hatred of zionism is merely a symptom of this evil.

If zionism did not bribe and lobby our government for guns and butter, then all this would be a moot point.

The mandate after WWII would either stand or fall on its own merits.

If the other countries of the world would stop arming both sides, there would be a lot less blood shed and a lot more discussion.

The issue would have been resolved decades ago and it would have been mutually accepted.

God Bless.

Yes

Short answer is: Yes, COINTELPRO is throwing about "Zionist" as a scapegoat for the globalists' crimes.

It is a complicated matter. The modern state of Israel was set up to be a massive concentration camp by the very people who funded both Hitler and his conquerers. They rush in as the heros and pretend to help Israel. Their diabolical plans are very long-termed in nature. They pose as Israel's "friends" for decades, all the while intending to destroy it when they feel the time is right.

The day might come when 9/11 truth rises to such public awareness that the crime will be blamed on Israel, who will be scapegoats. The people who carried out 9/11 are neither Muslims nor Jews. But, Israel is largely a secular nation which has aligned itself with the dark forces of the nations and has allowed itself to be set up as a scapegoat.

The vast majority of observant Jews are poor, and they have no interest in the affairs of other nations or cultures. They are too busy trying to survive.

EXACTLY!!!!

Wow, that must be the first time I have heard someone else on DP actually state clearly what the real story with Israel is.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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You just keep right on believing this...

until the shark swims up and bites you on the ass.

Then, you'll say, where did he come from?

Oh, he's the one I was ignoring...dumba**.

There is an EVIL in the world and zionist is only one of the names we give it but it IS STILL a name we use to define our enemy.

Don't sweep them under the rug again so they may rise later.

Wipe this scurge from the earth NOW!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

There is evil in the World

But instead of seeing it for what it is.... a global evil that can effect everyone and anyone, with bribes, threats, or both... You just want to blame one small group, one small country.

It is stupid, small minded, ignorant.

he Muslim Brotherhood is taking over the entire ME region, via revolutions and coups backed by our Muslim, communist President Obama.

How is that good for Israel? It isn't. It's good for MIC to profit off global conflict.

Same people who are spraying Chemtrails, putting fluoride in the water, and poisoning our food with GMOs...
Flouride was first tested on the Jews in concentration camps.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I am not about to allow myself to be sucked into the...

"Antisemitism" game.

"I am a Jew, I am better than you.
WHAT! You do not agree???
AN "ANTISEMITE" IS ATTACKING ME!!!"

A couple of days ago,a Massachusetts Ron Paul supporter" blocked me from her "liberty and truth" Facebook page because I dared send her a video I created which mentions Jesus attacking "the Jewish elites".
You cannot cling to a tribal conceit that your tribe is above criticism and be a true believer in liberty.

Jews opposed the Iraq War by higher percentages than Gentiles. Criticism of the government of Israel is much stronger in Israel than in the rest of the "Zionist World". The most eloquent opponents of Israel are the Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism. Only 3% of the world's population of Jews have any real genetic connection to Abraham and Sarah and most Jews do not practice Judaism(!!!)

"You can never use up the 'Jew card'." Albert Brooks "This is 40" (2013)

I have Jewish friends for whom I would gladly lay down my life, which is more than I can say for any Zionist, which includes NAZIs, such as the Bushes and Rockefellers, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, John McCain, Marco Rubio and mainstream and fundamentalist Christians. Zionism is a conceit based on a lie, and it should be exposed for what it is whenever it is invoked.

Bob,

I would like to see your video, and do you have a source for the 3% comment? My inlaws are evangelical christians, and I would like to show this information to my husband who was raised as (and is having a difficult time not being) an Israel firster.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

It will take me awhile to find the 3% number. However,

Wikipedia says 10%, if that is close enough for you, Angie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi Otherwise, I will have to get back to you and see if I can find it in my browsing history. [Darn, I wish I kept these things on hand] To be fair, here is an article that challenges even that number http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/06/03/the-dna-of-... However, in order to claim land, you need a "contract;" and even Zionist apologists such as
Dennis Prager admit the overwhelming majority of Jews "don't have one," being atheists. The State of Israel not only discriminates against ultra-orthodox Jews, it openly invites homosexual tourists to partake its pleasures, hardly a sign of affiliation of a religion highly critical of homosexuality.

By the way, Theodore Herzl, largely credited with modern Zionism, first proposed a "Jewish homeland" in Africa.

As far as my video is concerned, it is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwZVPTWBz1U&feature=c4-overv...

Oh, and I almost forgot, this from Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism.

"Neturei Karta oppose the so-called "State of Israel" not because it operates secularly, but because the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish Law.

All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism's fundamentals.

Condemnation of and segregation from anything connected to or affiliated with the so-called modern day "State of Israel" is based on the Talmud, the key fundamental doctrine of the Oral Tradition handed down by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai. The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos (p. 111a), teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David). Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain loyal citizens and we shall not attempt to leave the exile which G-d sent us into, ahead of time.

Jews are not allowed to dominate, kill, harm or demean another people and are not allowed to have anything to do with the Zionist enterprise, their political meddling and their wars."

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/index.cfm

CIA veteran dies

His involvemnt with ITT corporation & overthrowing Chile's freely elected Goverment is a history lesson for todays misguided Foreign Policy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10...

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Defination: Zionism --webster online dictionary

Definition: Zionist
Part of Speech Definition
Adjective 1. Relating to or characteristic of Zionism; "the Zionist movement".[Wordnet]
2. Relating to or characteristic of a supporter of Zionism; "the Zionist leader Theodor Herzl".[Wordnet]
3. Adjective base of the adverb zionistly.[Eve - graph theoretic]
Adverb Form
(zionistly) 1. Virtually never used adverbial inflection of the adjective zionist.[Eve - graph theoretic]
Noun 1. A Jewish supporter of Zionism.[Wordnet].

Sources: compiled from various sources, (under license) copyright 2008. WordNet 3.0 Copyright © 2006 by Princeton University. All rights reserved. (used under fair use doctrine)
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Date "Zionist" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1905. (references)

That "definition" doesn't define squat.

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But not a non-Jewish supporter of Zionism?

This is the best that Princeton can do? No wonder the Ivy League has become the ObamaPhone Lady of colleges -- every bit as dependent on the State as Alcorn State or Ball State or Jerry Sandusky's Penn State.

PC Codeword

I suggest we adopt a codeword for "zionist". Who's in charge of the codewords?

The Queen of England

She owns your language. She alone approves all laws in the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. She alone appoints their Prime Ministers. She alone directs the democracy theater staged for her subjects. Surely, she might be a puppet herself of someone larger than her -- a family of bankers, perhaps. But instead of being our mortal enemy, as historically, Britain should be, it is now considered our closest ally, for some sinister reason. And her predecessor created the modern state of Israel for a sinister purpose -- to eventually destroy it.

Half truth on Australia, Mate

While her Majesty does have a representative in Australia, the Governor General, she doesn't select the Prime Minister. What the GG can do is dismiss the government and call an election. That hasn't happened since 1975.

The party/coalition with enough members of parliament to govern selects the prime minister from their own ranks. He/she remains a member of parliament as prime minister. The ruling faction can do this whenever they please, even between elections. This happened recently with Julia Gillard being replaced by Kevin Rudd. Gillard had previously taken the leadership from Rudd in a similar leadership battle.

Our system allows a lot more flexibility than the American system. If America used our system Democrats and moderates could empower a moderate Democrat to take the leadership from Obama.