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Is Cointel Pro responsible for this "Zionist" term that is popping up everywhere?

I hesitate to post this because I don't want to invite the ugliness that will ensue. At the same time, I’d like to hear from my DP brethren.
Ready to pull this thread...

The liberty movement is not good at self policing by definition....but if we keep allowing ourselves to be labeled racists an anti-Semites then we will not be able to spread our message.

This is my plea:

If you are honestly not racist, but are concerned about the Zionist conspiracy, could you just keep it to yourself.

Here is why:

It does not matter if we are losing our country and our liberties to a cabal of Zionists or lizard aliens.


If we live in a society with liberty and limited government then no conspiracy would be successful. ***

Anyone find this as disturbing as me?

Every time you find a liberty video on youtube these days the comments are filled with vitriol against these so called “Zionists.”

This is a traditional codeword for old fashioned jew hating. But, I don’t think there are that many jew haters around. I’m calling BS. I think with the exception of a perhaps a few unemployed neonazi wannabes, the only people that have enough time on their hands to fill comments sections on liberty articles and liberty issue treatments with ravings about “Zionists” must be on the payroll of people who want to discredit the liberty movement. Perhaps the pentagon, perhaps cointel pro, maybe the ADL…but I’m sorry, I don’t believe there are that many true anti-semites around these days to be making all of these comments.

I especially find them troubling on the DP.

(for the true believers, please don’t split hairs with the, “not all jews are Zionist” routine…if
you are a racist then you get off on using the word Zionist. It gives you a little rush…be honest)

**OK, let's say I buy into your collectivist notion that there is an extremely large group of people up to these nefarious deeds, what is your Final Solution?**

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oh, and I am finding that I am having a lot more . . .

in common with Orthodox Jews who question the legitimacy of Israel than I have in common with 'fellow' (HA!) Christians who are "Zionists"--

Some of those people are so scary they make me ashamed to be a Christian.

I just hope that if things get worse than they are now *I* (symbolically) can smuggle Rabbi Weiss (symbolically) and he me (symbolically) out of a dangerous place when the Christian Zionists come after us, because both of us question the legitimacy of what Israel is doing in Palestine.

Rabbi Weiss (and I, and no, unfortunately, I haven't met him) is also trying to wake people up about Iran and the huge population of contented Jews who live there--

there's a potential mess brewing--

I have come to a point where I can no longer communicate with many of my Christian friends, and that is a scary place to be.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

why I started using the term:


Well, this is pretty much where I picked it up. These people are often called self-haters, but the fact is that they simply don't believe that Jews must be warmongering empire builders, and they believe that for whatever purpose the elite during the 1930s-1950s in Europe took advantage of what happened to the Jews to turn multitudes of Jews into people who believed it was all right to turn Palestinians (whether Muslim or Christian) out of their homeland.

Rabbi Weiss happens to be one of my favorite people, right up there with Ron Paul, and he expresses concern about how the holocaust was hijacked and the pain and suffering of the Jewish people was used and abused for an agenda that confounds true Judaism.

Yes, there are different sects among the Jews, and they often have widely varying interpretations on ancient texts, etc.--

but there are some among them who believe that something dangerous happened politically, using the Jews, in the 1930s, etc.--

and they want to expose it.

So, I guess if Rabbi Weiss and other orthodox Jews who believe that something doesn't 'feel' right about what happened to cause the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine--

I feel quite 'safe' feeling the same way. These people have answered many of the honest questions I have had. And, yes, they DID lose people in the holocaust, but they think that it goes deeper than anti-semitism.

So do I.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I am with you 1988vote

Something smells real bad about the whole "Gods chosen People" and the timeline does not seem to fit. It is my feeling scripture is being used to promote a lie and condone murder and theft. I just don't get the same conclusions from scripture most Christian Zionist do.
Doesn't seem to fit as perfectly as they seem to say it does. I also find it hard to believe God would condone the methods.

There's a very good reason

why it doesn't "fit".
Because it's a ruse.
These people are impostors.

Check any Jewish Almanac. It will tell you that over 92% of all Jews today are "Ashkenazi". That means they are "from Akshenaz". The other 8% are converts or who-knows-what.
Ashkenaz is a person in the Bible, and in the Torah, who is mentioned by name. He is in the line of Japheth(one of the sons of Noah).

So, we have Ashkenaz obviously in the line of Japheth, and Askenazi peoples are considered descended from him. Japheth and his lineage are generally attributed to populating areas around Central Asia. They later migrated into eastern Europe around 700-900AD and later. They adopted Judaism around that time, as converts.

Now, Noah had 2 other sons, Shem and Ham.
Shem produced a lineage which included Abraham, and then Jacob/Israel, and the 12 tribes of Israel.
The people in Shem's line were called "Shemites" or "Shemitic", and later evolved thru usage into "Semites" or "semitic". They are from the line of Shem, and the ancient Israelites were of Shem, and ALL the Abrahamic covenants and blessings were to Abraham and his progeny, which were all "Shemites".

Notice that Japheth and his progeny, including Ashkenaz, are NOT "Shemite", but are "Japhethite".
None of them are from the tribes of Israel, and none are semitic, by definition.

So, here we have, by their own admission(if anybody cares to look), that almost ALL modern Jews are Ashkenazi, and therefore they are NOT semitic. And they are not in the line of Shem, Abraham, and the tribes of Israel. So, they never lived in "the promised land" and were never "God's chosen people", and have no claim to the land they are trying to fallaciously claim the right to occupy.

Get it now?
They are pulling the wool over everybody's eyes, and claiming something that is not true, for their own particular purposes of deception.
All this "anti-semite" stuff is part of the deception, because the inference is that they are "semites", which they by-and-large are NOT.

The whole thing is a big fat LIE.

For a little more interesting info, go to Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9. It will tell you of "those who say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan".
And so what are we seeing here, going on now?

There ARE some true semitic Jews still left. They are likely the ones who are opposing the Zionists. And most of them are still dispersed around the globe.

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the one true positive about this thread?

...knowledge is king and knowledge is growing here about zionism and how it is evil...

remember back during the campaign when joe biden professed to being a proud zionist?

these idiots are exposed just as soon as they open their mouths!

they (the elite politicians) just don't get it that the masses (we, the people) are no longer in the dark and understand fully the meanings of their words...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Until people

are willing to look at this subject without fear of being stigmatized by the PC goons, nobody will ever know anything about it.
And that's by design.
That's why PC exists.

Perhaps I don't fully

Perhaps I don't fully understand your point but it is my understanding that pro-Zionists are those that support financially, politically and theologically with "chosen" doctrine present day Israel and adhere to their view of the world and its subjugation of Palestine. Not all Jews around the world support or endorse the Zionists'doctrine.

I'm sorry to comment 2x in rapid succession, but...

“not all jews are Zionist” I think that many individuals actually think that; its a war over the meaning of the word. Well meaning people use it one way; souls who are less kind/sane use it another.

I try and avoid it to avoid misinterpretation; others are less discerning/'aware?' of how others perceive people who use it.

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a war over the meaning of the word?

so, would there also be an argument for a war on the meaning of the word, "nazi"?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Not one that I am currently aware of.

But there is no reason why why there couldn't be.

Language is in flux.

History has been revised before, and I'm sure it will happen again.

What's so hard to grasp about the fact that someone might misunderstand you when you use a particular word?

I mean clearly your response to my points essentially proves the main thrust of my argument. You are proof positive that people can misinterpret what other people are trying to say.

I know I bring it up

a lot, but I always think of how purposefully they have and continue to misnterpret and mistransulate Ahmadinejads "wipe Israel of the map" lie and twist his so called denial of the holocaust. They constantly misinterpret what he tries or does say. Why? because they want war. An excuse to condone more killing and empire building. So why don't we just add Zionist to the group 'propagandist' and put a hault to the anti semite misunderstanding? "Israeli propagandists" or "religious propagandists" Judaen propagandist" I think the last one would again be considered anti semitism. They love using that as a cover all.(whomever is behind it, be it zionist or just evil, greedy warmongers)
It is the ones doing the harm under the claims of any one not supporting them in their evil acts using the term anti semitism. That term is wearing thin.
Just like those of us who believe in the Constitution and liberty are now being labled terrorist or dissidents. Even many who believe in those things seem to set them aside when it comes to warmongering, killing,and greed. They can be in total disagreement with the government on everything else, but still back the war machine without question. Mind boggling to me.

So you've been successfully propagandized. Congratulations!

When a warped political philosophy becomes a potentially racist word, the warped political philosophy prevails. Not all Jews are Zionists. It's a true fact; I am good friends with many of them. One who actually lived in Israel until he figured out that Zionism and Judaism are very very very different things.

So you've successfully attained the reading comprehension of a

4th grader. Congradulations!

At no point in any of my posts did I indicate that I personally thought that the word had the derogatory connotations others have associated with it. I simply indicated that I acknowledged the fact that others viewed the word in that light and rather than go to all the trouble of attempting to educate every ignoramus I found in a 500 mile radius I simply decided it was a better tact to avoid using the 'questionable' (I use that word mockingly) diction.

My whole stance is that:

  1. The whole issue is one of perception.
  2. If your goal is to be very clear, and explicit when critiquing or lamenting the stances of Zionism, simply avoid the usage of the word; take 2 seconds to spell exactly what you mean by it explicitly so there is no possibility of misinterpretation.

And don't give up hope one day you'll achieve those 5th grade reading comprehension skills.

By "conditioned" I meant that you have been taught to avoid the

word. And you do. Therefore, you have been successfully conditioned. Again, congratulations. Zionism's a philosophy.

Avoiding a word...

...because others don't know the definition is always a consideration while you're deciding which word to use for your audience. However, knowing your audience likely does know the definition of a word, but assuming they're going to be offended somehow anyways, I don't think you should change your vocabulary choice.

There are times to use the word "Zionist" because it's what you mean.

I could say that Ron Paul was a doctor that looked at lady parts and brought babies out of those places, or I could say he was an obstetrician/gynecologist. I could even be so bold as to say he was an ObGyn, and believe that most people would know what I meant. Likewise, I could call someone a statist, nationalist Israel-firster, or I could call them a Zionist.

The entire debate reminds me of people who have gotten in trouble for using the word niggardly to refer to someone who was a little too tight with their money. If that someone, however, had enough melanin, they'd get offended and try to get the offending party fired/reprimanded.

Thank you, society, for rewarding ignorance.

I hear you about the niggardly

But the difference is that it is as if comment sections on certain issue related sites or articles were filled with comments like "damn niggardly people!" and half of the commentors actually thought the term referee to african amercans and meant it that way.

OK say the other half meant it the proper way and understood the definition...is there not a communication issue here?

What would it do to the perception about this hypothetical "anti-cheap" movement?

Screw the bible quotes (Sorry for the sacrilege)

but seriously... I personally think the 'zionist' word is just a stupid buzz/catch phrase people have latched on to, it means different things to different people. I understand the negative connotations associated with its usage, which is why I avoid it and stick to direct critique of Israel the state, but I can see where others might inadvertently use it in a context which they honestly believed was not racially charged.

I seriously doubt that the majority of users really are anti-semites, they just dislike Israel (that's Israel the state, not the people in the state, not the religion associated with the state, the state) and feel that the word only applies to pro-Israel-the-state people.

People always use words imprecisely, which is a terrible problem (especially when it comes to the liberty movement where many of the arguments we make are very technical and nuanced) but really and honestly amongst people under 40 I'm pretty sure anti-jewish sentiment is at an all-time low and continuing to wane.

"the 'zionist' word is just a stupid buzz/catch phrase"

do some research!

we are the Remnant

Its usage in the modern context differs from its use in the...

classical context.

When the word 'liberal' became a "stupid buzz/catch phrase" it was diluted of all its actual meaning.

It currently -- to the vast majority of people -- means 'democrat' or 'socialist' it has nothing to do with the idea concept of individual liberty and freedom uberalis.

Similarly there is a difference of opinion about the meaning of 'zionist.' For purposes of clarity I would recommend that you ditch it.

I'll go with the truth, thank you

I'd much prefer to explain that Zionism does not equal Jew than to conform to Zionist definitions of themselves as presented by their media.

But maybe these guys would be open to your suggestion:

we are the Remnant

And I'll go with the truth, and clarity.

I prefer to be understood the first time when I speak about subjects which some people perceive to be racially charged.

Revelation 2:9

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan"

Doesn't it ever strike you as odd that the whole NWO, "globalist agenda", one world government or whatever you choose to call it, represents a plan that's been played-out over hundreds of years? Painstaking and meticulous planning. Multi-generational execution. The systematic enslavement of God's free creation by a relative handful of men? Doesn't it strike you as being beyond the physical and mental capacity of mere mortals to orchestrate such an elaborate and ambitious undertaking? It does me. Mere men almost never plan for events beyond their own lifetime. The coup we're presently witnessing is the final act of an agenda that was put in motion hundreds of years ago. Tirelessly, relentlessly built, brick-by-brick by men who would never live to see it. Even the Pharoahs were not so "altruistic".

The actions past and present of Zionists (not Jews necessarily or exclusively, but Zionists posing as Jews) has been lead and directed by Satan himself. What better place to hide than in plain sight against the backdrop of what used to be "God's chosen people"?

The present State of Israel is Satan's "Capitol" on earth. Zionism is the heart and soul of the effort to impose global enslavement.

Don't hate the Jews- they've been lied to and used.

Your reaction might be to say, "Well... I don't believe in God". My response would be; Why do you think they've spent the last hundred years indoctrinating people to deny His existence?

your last sentence expresses

the very reason I'm open again to the concept of a God. The elite are very devout as Luciferians, and I have found out about their efforts to destroy Christianity.

But I'm also open to the idea that the very concept of God has been messed with, divided up into twelve and presented with different faces, to be used to keep the people divided. Maybe God is consciousness that is shared by all. I've lived in and have spent time in many different cultures, and I know that each one of them believe beyond a doubt their God is the right one. But they all can't be right, can they? I do consider myself a spiritual person; I just don't keep a middleman. I prefer the direct connection.

we are the Remnant

When all else fails you

TRUST in God. He was here in 33AD. And His Spirit is here TODAY. He revealed all you need.

I am very tripped out by the fact that they hid his NAME

I dabbled in spell casting, and the sounds of your incantation are important. And I am increasingly convinced that "Jesus" knew the esoteric laws (that are as simple as gravity, but they have been withheld from us) some how - either intuitively or was taught. Oh, this is too much to get into here...
Anyway, he said to call on him, that his name was an aid to us. Then, his name was all but lost to us, his name which meant "Salvation" was changed to "Jesus" which means... nothing, but it sure goes well with "f-ing Christ," I suppose.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I can believe that


I've read that the reason why the elite are into symbolism is because the shapes of the symbols cast energy fields (negative I would suppose). After I read that, I couldn't help flipping a dollar bill over whenever the eye was looking at me - that creepy eye on top of the pyramid. The eye of Horace or Lucifer according to some...

we are the Remnant

Put an x over it

with a sharpy. Poke a hole through it with a pin. You understand their game now, USE IT!!!
The other thing they do is make us afraid of it. They are symbols, fight their symbols symbolically. "Sigil magic" is the term, if memory serves.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I'm on a similar course

I'm finding the Eastern Orthodox teachings very interesting. The catholics and protestants are both offshoots of the original church, the Orthodox church. here's some stuff. http://www.youtube.com/user/mishakol129#p/u/0/ru7f2WH8oWM

we've been deceived so much

that I'm practically open to anything now. I have a blank sheet of paper in front of me and I'm looking at everything from a whole different perspective. The deception is massive, much bigger than I could ever imagine - let alone believe. As J. Edgar Hoover said,

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst."

we are the Remnant

Yes a direct connection HAS been provided for,.

GOD in the FLESH , Christ JESUS. HE showed to us all, THE FATHER and He has the keys to HEAVEN. No man can come except through GOD Himself. There is nowhere else to look except to Christ Jesus.
And yes there is coming a fake, prior to the second advent.

The fake is coming to deceive whom he can, and kill the rest. It is the satanic and human answer for peace.