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Is Cointel Pro responsible for this "Zionist" term that is popping up everywhere?

I hesitate to post this because I don't want to invite the ugliness that will ensue. At the same time, I’d like to hear from my DP brethren.
Ready to pull this thread...

The liberty movement is not good at self policing by definition....but if we keep allowing ourselves to be labeled racists an anti-Semites then we will not be able to spread our message.

This is my plea:

If you are honestly not racist, but are concerned about the Zionist conspiracy, could you just keep it to yourself.

Here is why:

It does not matter if we are losing our country and our liberties to a cabal of Zionists or lizard aliens.


If we live in a society with liberty and limited government then no conspiracy would be successful. ***

Anyone find this as disturbing as me?

Every time you find a liberty video on youtube these days the comments are filled with vitriol against these so called “Zionists.”

This is a traditional codeword for old fashioned jew hating. But, I don’t think there are that many jew haters around. I’m calling BS. I think with the exception of a perhaps a few unemployed neonazi wannabes, the only people that have enough time on their hands to fill comments sections on liberty articles and liberty issue treatments with ravings about “Zionists” must be on the payroll of people who want to discredit the liberty movement. Perhaps the pentagon, perhaps cointel pro, maybe the ADL…but I’m sorry, I don’t believe there are that many true anti-semites around these days to be making all of these comments.

I especially find them troubling on the DP.

(for the true believers, please don’t split hairs with the, “not all jews are Zionist” routine…if
you are a racist then you get off on using the word Zionist. It gives you a little rush…be honest)

**OK, let's say I buy into your collectivist notion that there is an extremely large group of people up to these nefarious deeds, what is your Final Solution?**

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you're as absolute in your beliefs

as a Muslim man I know. I bet I could get the two of you fighting.

You know what's nice about not having a middleman in my spirituality? I can connect with people of all religions.

we are the Remnant

“God has no religion” -

“God has no religion” - Mahatma Gandhi

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

If it were so

It would have been done.

See above

You fell for the fake, dude. "Jesus" is a made up name. That is rude, don't take the name of your lord in vain like that.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Then the name Jesus

is not taking the Lord's name in vain ? DAH !!!

Vainly renaming a lord, then?

I dunno, whatever makes you feel righteous, I guess.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

TO a TRUE believer there is

no more Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus. There is simply the Family of GOD, which is the idea that Judaism was supposed to promote but it lost it's way back there somewhere. All TRUE belivers ARE of the seed of Abraham. SPIRITUAL seed. The subjects told the King. The sign above HIS head was the truth.

Parable of the two sons.

Judaism at 33AD and Today parallels a carnal minded Christian. They will both be restored. God has HIS plan in motion. Their eyes have been partialy blinded to fullfill GOD's purposes. They lost their way. First Commandment they said they would keep.

GOD IS LOVE. This was to be "their" witness. God had a more perfect way. Something the LAW cannot fullfill. GOD in YOU.
The Law GIVER placed within the human HEART.

The Jew is my disobeydient brother whom I love and hope he wakes up to find his way. I love him and all men even the disobeydient. I would that they Repent.
Judgement is an ugly thing for all.

Didn't Joe Biden claim to be

Didn't Joe Biden claim to be a Zionist in front of TV cameras? He's not Jewish is he?

it was posted earlier on this thread

along with other info on my post titled "You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist"

here's the video:

You also don't have to be a gentile to be against Zionism...

Israel is a Rothschild front. It's Rothschild Zionism. The Balfour Declaration was written to a Rothschild. Tel Avi's main drag is Rothschild Blvd. Rothschild is on their money. Jewry and the Jewish people are just being used and scapegoated. The Rothschilds not only want a state of Israel, they want the world, run by an unelected world government under which we will be slaves.

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...there it is!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I think

that you not wanting to hear anything about Zionist and Jews not being the same thing, shows just how truly dis-interested in this subject you are.

If you are somehow suggesting that I am an "anti-semite" for speaking out against Zionist, then I would say that you truly do not understand.

People are waking up, and the fact that they can differentiate between Zionist and Jews, is a great thing. Perhaps the Jews at Jews against Zionism are self hating Jews? I don't think so.

"Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews."

Continued... http://jewsagainstzionism.com/

Agreed Dale, Judaism and

Agreed Dale, Judaism and Zionism are NOT one in the same.

Our opponents are trying to

Our opponents are trying to demonize us. They promote anti-Semitism by simultaneously attacking Jews as "Zionists" and Muslims as "Islamists". Nothing new here. Politicians have always used hatred to divide people and to justify wars.

These people who promote racism, anti-Semitism or hatred against any group are working to undermine our Movement. They are working for our opponents. Don't fall for their propaganda.

I hope this doesn't bring up a new wave of anti-Semitism...


I always figured President Sarkozy had Jewish ancestory, but the MSM here in the US was always silent, particularly when Sarkozy radically changed France's Middle East policy.

Please don't fall into the trap being set.

you shouldn't hesitate to

you shouldn't hesitate to bring up such a subject. For the subject is real and has merit. maybe what you meant to say is that, you hesitate to bring it up because your total misuse and misunderstanding of the word as meaning old fashioned jew hating may cause ensueing ugliness.
for you to simply dismiss the real arguement of jews and zionists are not the same thing...blah blah blah...
you totally show how blind and one sided you are.
Not to many people dislike jews because they are jews...
but alot dislike zionists because they are zionists, whether they be jew, christian, hindu, buddhist, confucist, Baha'ist,Islamist, Jainismist, Shintoist, Sikhismist, Taoist, Wiccan, Zoroastrianist, and Druidist.
do you get the point? its' not a race thing...or a religious thing...it's a political, evil thing..no matter how much you wish it weren't

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

Maybe We Ron Paul Supporters Would Be Better Off To Call,,,

,,,,Secret powerful well funded organizations such as; The CIA, The Mossad,,The KBG,,M-60 { or whatever the English call their spy organization }and other unknowns, the Bad Guys !

Apparently, in America there are so many secret organizations involved in NON-Constitutional activities, they are actually doing just the opposite of what was their original intended mission{s}; To protect the public of their respective governments, under the strict guidelines of the "LAWS" of the Constitution.

It's simply those that believe in a "new world { international }order", run by a select few, using covert methods, such as "DIVIDE" and conquer v.s. those in this land called America who support sovereignty of the individual, and sovereignty of our country against all enemy's foreign and domestic.

Lets simplify; Believers in Statism vs the individual Freedoms listed in The Bill of Rights !



You are addressing several

You are addressing several different problems in one post.

The first problem is the people who comment on videos and such. Most of those people really are spamming, and comments on YouTube in particular are designed to be the kind of cheapshot soundbytes (textbytes?) that grab attention and tick people off.

The second problem is that you've already decided anyone who uses the term "Zionist" is a racist. I can sympathize, as it seems to pop up very often during conversations where the person in question wants to blame Israel for an incredibly long list of offenses. The word itself, though, is not the problem. As others have pointed out, "Zionist" is not the same as "Jewish." It would be like saying that when someone talks about "skinheads" they are actually talking about "whites" in the USA. If someone is really interchanging those terms, their ignorance may be politely pointed out. If someone is really talking about a subset of people, though, indignation is unwarranted and only makes you look silly.

The third issue is chalking it all up to COINTELPRO. A concerted, outside effort is not necessary to draw our attention to the fact that our involvement in Israel is a problem, and that zealots of any religion are a threat as soon as we involve ourselves in their affairs. It gives zealots the excuse and rallying cry to bring people to their cause against you.

This Is A Great Thread

These ideas bear honest, poised discussion ... unflinching, yet diplomatic, respectful debate.

Nice point, FishyCulture.

However, BEFORE you become too self-satisfied, you should read about the origins of Zionism and the creation of the state of Israel. If you don't change your mind about us and are STILL looking for bigots, you might try picking up a mirror.

Huh? What "us" are you a part of?

Are you a Zionist? Or an Israeli? Or a bigot? ;)
I have read a lot, more than most. If there is some particular piece of information you believe I am lacking, please share.
And I am not sure why I have been deemed "self satisfied" in your mind...

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Perhaps you might to explain to us why...

to oppose the support of a concept to ensure a state that has a privileged class based on its cultural origins is somehow bigoted. If you believe that is true and you use the term "goy," realize you are using it on the wrong person.

When did I say "goy?"

I mean, I have used the term, but not in this thread. And to be honest, maybe I have not had enough coffee yet, but I cannot diagram out your sentence in any way that makes it into something I understand.

You want me to explain to an "us" you still have not identified - who the heck is "us?" Anyway, all of you mysterious entities need me to explain why you all ought to oppose the support of... (OK, that means I want you to oppose, right?) the concept of ensuring "a state" (any state in particular, or just "a state?" A state of euphoria will do?) OK, I am supposed to explain why you ought to oppose a state that HAS a privileged class based on its "cultural origins" (Is that race or religion or both?) But either way you find that not bigoted? Or you think I don't find that bigoted?
And of course, as I can make no sense of this sentence, I cannot know if I think it is true, but I suspect that much meaningless verbiage is not true...
Did I get the right answer?

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

OK, let's begin with the term "goyim".

It means "stupid cattle" and it refers to any gentile (in the case of Christian Zionists, I agree with you).
The concept of Zionism has its origins with Theodore Hertz, a socialist athiest. It was promoted by Lord Rothschild to Lord Balfour and became the Balfour Resolution; which, coincidentally coincides with the Federal Reserve withdrawing its financial support of Germany during WWI. In 1946, Jewish emigres possessed a few percent in the land of Palestine. The 1947 UN Mandate gave them more than 50% of Palestine and they were still a minority of the population. Now they occupy over 90% of Palestine and control the rest by means of the IDF. You can take it from here.

No! Lets begin with the term "us."

Or are you claiming the "us" is the goyim?
Too many pronouns, not enough nouns, and so far you have told me nothing I did not know, but you have seriously made me wonder what you are driving at. How hard is it to define what "us" you mean?

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Don't take my word for it....

Read what religious Jews say about Zionism and how they are persecuted in Israel.


"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Truth is what it is

You have been successfully conditioned. I deeply regret that I do not know how to reach you where you are. I am a hypnotist, I am a "truther" and I am a researcher, I am not a racist. Indeed, there is no race called "Zion" and your very premise is a hypnotically conditioned response. There is no religion called "Zion" either, this is not about anyone's religion. There is a political agenda called "Zionism" and it has people of all races and religions within it, and it is one of the "umbrella" terms that is fairly accurate.

Here is the sad, sad thing it has taken me 3 years to accept: Even as a hypnotist, even when I am physically right there with someone, if I tell them something they already CHOSE to believe is not true, there is no amount of fact I can present t them that will break their conditioning. You must CHOSE to put aside all that you believe, and seek FACTS with fresh eyes.

Now, here is the part where I am SUPPOSED to tell everyone how YOU are obviously cointelpro... that is how their game works, but I will pass on that.

It is nearly impossible to get someone to passionately defend a lie, or to promote a line of crap they do not believe. They lead us to BELIEVE - to believe that most people are racists, for example, when most people really do not care. From that belief, every tiny little bit of self preservation can be twisted into guilt... "Was that a racist thought I just had?!" And of course, it is SO easy to project racism into other people's comments, they are often speaking in some sound bite the TV fed them, some tidbit designed to make it obvious which side they picked on any given issue.

I do not think you are cointelpro any more than I think I am a racist, but I know you are spouting nonsense. I hope you CHOSE to learn the facts.

I also have no use for hope. If something comes along and FORCES you to re-evaluate your position, you will. You will probably never do it just because you wanted to learn the truth. It is the sad nature of truth, it does not demand, it just will lay silent and only be noticed by those who take the time to seek it.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Cointelpro is not responsible

for the term "Zionist." It is their (the Zionists') word for themselves. The proper use of the term "Zionism" does not equate to "anti-Semitism," although it seems to in your mind. It is Zionism itself -- not the mere use of the term -- that is a form of racism.

you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist

Take it from this gentile Zionist - you might recognize him...


And you don't have to be a gentile to be against Zionism...


We might be hearing the term "Rothschild Zionist" being used more. There are many Rothschild Zionists involved in policy making worldwide. In the US we have The Rockefellers, Henry Kissinger, Paul Wolfowitz, Raum Emanuel, Michael Chertoff, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Richard Haas, Douglas Feith, David Frum...

You might recognize this guy too...

So if one is anti-Zionist, it doesn't mean they're anti-Jew. And if that is understood by the many, it makes impotent the "anti-semite" defense shield that is so often used by Israel and AIPAC.

And if A equals B, and B equals C, then...

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you are misinformed...

and you are spreading cointel pro or whatever the heck you want to call it!

in your opinion its a code word...imho, it is NOT a code word to incite hatred and you are sadly mistaken or worse, spreading disinformation...brother

to me a zionist is to a jew like a nazi is to a german...

and if you can't see that then i do have some lake front property in arizona to sell you, my brother

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.


There is lots of lake front property in Arizona,
and there's nothing wrong with it.

Maybe you meant to refer to the fictitious "oceanfront" property in Arizona.