EU - The new federalist supranational superstate has been born.
Today (2007-12-13) the European Union leaders signed the Lisbon Treaty. This treaty gives the EU the constitutional form of a state. These are the ten most important things the Lisbon Treaty does:
1. It establishes a legally new European Union in the constitutional form of a supranational European State.
2. It empowers this new European Union to act as a State vis-a-vis other States and its own citizens.
3. It makes us all citizens of this new European Union.
4. To hide the enormity of the change, the same name – European Union – will be kept while the Lisbon Treaty changes fundamentally the legal and constitutional nature of the Union.
5. It creates a Union Parliament for the Union's new citizens.
6. It creates a Cabinet Government of the new Union.
7. It creates a new Union political President.
8. It creates a civil rights code for the new Union's citizens.
9. It makes national Parliaments subordinate to the new Union.
10. It gives the new Union self-empowerment powers.
For more detailed analysis read http://hungary4ronpaul.blogspot.com
Looks like we are also need a Ron Paul!





















Never have so few decided so
Never have so few decided so much for so many.
and so it begins......
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/12/13/eu.treaty/index.h...
Time to stop dreaming. It can happen here. The NAU is only a few steps away, but can be stopped. Impeach!, Vote, Yell! Scream! Be heard!
Restore the Republic! RP2008
I completly agaisnt NAU
I think you guys are right on that :) for same reasons i believe in EU i don't in NAU but they are to many and to big explain.
sorry, not to attack all your posts, but I cant help it.....
Against the NAU but for the EU......im not sure how this is not contradictory......
Please explain.
Well
All the peoples of Europe some point in them history tried to united the Europe by force in one Country. Spain tried with Filips, France tried with napoleon, Italians did it for 1000 years with romans, German Tried with twise with hittler and Charles Magned, Enlgand tried during the 100 years war.
Well they all tried by force the people from Europe that only can be united for in peace and with the goal from prosperity.
For the 1st time we arent being united by one selfish man but from people from inter cultural experiences from friends and neighbors.
I am in favor from EU but in NAU case i think the things aren't being propprely made and objectives are only use cheap labor from Mexico. In EU case we are developing the countries that join us not using them people was cheap workers. The other reason i am against now is because the presidents from Mexico and US and Canada arent saying the true.
i give up....
you are hopeless......
www.ronpaul2008.com
maybe try reading about what liberty is, and you will understand why the Lisbon treaty is BAD......or, as I presume you will do, you can ignore my warning and suffer on down the line...
just don't say I didn't do everything I could to help you out......
I agree with you guys in this eachiu on one thing.
Shall be no country in Europe that accept this without a referendum.
I Will vote yes and fight the much i can for what i believe will be a more peaceful and better Europe to me and my fellow europeans. And i Think that EU shall end in the borders from Europe.
you cannot support Paul AND
support the Lisbon Treaty. Let me state this very clearly to you: the Lisbon Treaty goes AGAINST freedom and individual liberty. If you disagree with this then you do not understand the principles of liberty. I say this as someone who is pursuing a doctorate in philosophy and who is well read when it comes economics and sociology.
Look, Miguel, I am not trying to attack your intelligence. In fact, you are probably very intelligent and very well-meaning, but it seems you have been horribly misinformed. Before you fight tooth and nail to support your own demise I suggest you reconsider your opinions. Dr. Paul is against the trend of states rights being overruled by the federal government, and this is exactly what is happening to your country. Your laws are going to be trumped by a central power. You will have no say in the laws that dictate your life.....
Yes i Can
I am for freedom and i don't believe we lose any with Lisbon treaty. In fact i think we win. We have more power together to make our economies grow.
We have more power together to protect our borders from illegal aliens.
And the share of culture will give us more open minds and more critics. I not saying that i Agree with every thing about EU. But general idea from we live in peace and democracy and make last it for ever to be sounds awesome.
I truly happy that some people here in Europe don't agree with European union thats what democracy are all about.
And i endorse Ron Paul In economy, international problems, freedom ( patriot act, ID card), in emigration, ONU.
Just to endi dont fell that Lisbon treaty go against personal liberty. And i read it many times.
Ok Miguel man, have it your way.....
But I believe you are equating democracy with freedom......here is a quote from DR. PAUL HIMSELF:
"The problem is that democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism, which is inherently incompatible with real freedom. Our founding fathers clearly understood this, as evidenced not only by our republican constitutional system, but also by their writings in the Federalist Papers and elsewhere. James Madison cautioned that under a democratic government, “There is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual.” John Adams argued that democracies merely grant revocable rights to citizens depending on the whims of the masses, while a republic exists to secure and protect pre-existing rights. Yet how many Americans know that the word 'democracy' is found neither in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence, our very founding documents?..." - Dr. Paul
Again, I suggest you reconsider your opinions. No need for good men such as yourself to be misinformed.
This is....
This is why I'm so passionate about Dr. Paul. I have to admit, from the responses I get from the majority of people I speak to, I sometimes feel like just crawling back to bed and throwing the covers over my head. I just don't get it! I'm sick of hearing " we'll never change anything" or "It don't matter who I vote for".
I know we're all suppose to be polite, respectable Ron Paul supports, but sometimes I just feel like smacking the shit out of people and shout WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
There, I feel better...Sorry
Peace
There having problems
Switzerland elected a new government and is running ads in Africa to warn them to stay out.Belguim is about to split up there is only one place were Europeans have been able to live together peacefully thats America.
So sorry for this long post-but....
Found this in the www.homeschoolersforpaul.blogspot.com about the EU/homeschooling-and i literally just read it,after reading this thread.
Very applicable-and this is a great thread-to galvanize more world wide support for RP-b/c we want a free world,right????
Wednesday, November 28, 2007
Homeschoolers vs. the European Union
Homeschooling vs. The European Union
Europeans who want to homeschool look to America as a place where it is legal to homeschool, and a place where homeschooling thrives. Certainly, horror stories are coming out of Europe (Germany, Belgium, Holland) about bans, crackdowns and prohibitions on homeschooling. A German federal court recently upheld the view that homeschooling constitutes child endangerment, leaving it possible for the state to deny custody to the parents of German homeschooling children, whether they are in Germany or not.
I suggested in my last blog that some homeschooling families have decided to make an issue of homeschooling, accounting for some of the publicity. However, another aspect of the problem is the fact that homeschooling and private education in general is not in accordance with European Union policy. An army of EU thinktanks is steadily marching forward with a 5-year plan (2007-2013) to “internationalize” education. These policy-making organizations claim to be concerned with freedom of education. However, the more important agenda is to “internationalize” by strengthening international networking in education throughout Europe, and carrying out such monumental tasks as “funding (of) trans-national projects” and supporting “large manifestations, studies, communication and information events which are able to reach a large audience (to) make Europe more concrete for its citizen,” as well as creating a new European Union citizen. (This appears in a document entitled “Mapping European Union Policy” published by the Socires organization, which describes itself as a private Christian initiative (see http://www.socires.nl/downloads/EducationMappinEuropoe_Socir...). This policy document also goes on to state that the European Union contains no programs which are designed to strengthen civil society. Does this imply that internationalization does not strengthen civil society, or did I misread the text?
Here is a short list of some of the EU organizations promoting internationalization in education: The European Platform for Dutch Education (www.europeesplatform.nl) in the Netherlands which claims it has a mandate to internationalize. Not surprisingly, it is in the Netherlands that census lists are compared to school lists to ensure compliance with compulsory schooling requirements. The European Platform in turn belongs to a “national agency” called Lifelong Learning Program (LLP) (formerly known as Socrates and Leonardo). According to the website this is also the “national support centre for the eTwinning programme” which is related to a program entitled “Europe as a learning environment in schools” (Elos). Other related organizations are the “Free program for catholic education…at a European level,” (www.ceec.be) and The European Foundation for Freedom in Education, as well as BBO in the Netherlands. The website of BBO states that it is a private organization financed entirely through “commissions,” which “aims at impacting the whole process of policy making." An essential part of this strategy is the strengthening of the relations between civil society and the policy makers.” In addition, the European Council of National Associations of Independent Schools (ECNAIS) www.ecnais.org seeks to bring together independent schools of all faiths and confessions under its wing. Other organizations which would have on impact on education are, of course, the European Parliament and programs for creating “active European citizenship” such as “Europe for Citizens 2007-2013,” as well as the development of the European constitution.
What does the European Union’s constitution have to say about freedom of education? The European Union’s constitution promotes “freedom of education,” but it is a freedom of education that is given as a privilege by the EU government, and includes the privilege of receiving a “free compulsory education” and the privilege of founding private schools in accordance with national laws and policies. This would have to contrast with freedom as defined in the U.S. Constitution as an inalienable right, essentially a gift of God. Dr. Ron Paul mentions the importance of a constitution which specifically through the 10th amendment leaves all issues that aren’t the province of the federal government to be determined by individuals and states: "Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The European Constitution has not yet been ratified by European nations, but policy-makers are marching forward undeterred to submit a “Reformed” Constitution which would, according to the Wikipedia article I referenced, “superate” national laws, although technically not replacing them.
The word superate was new to me, so I looked it up in an online dictionary, but did not find it there. Further research showed me that the word derives from the Italian verb “superare” meaning to “overcome” and that it is sometimes in use in philosophy texts, for example, to mean “overcome” or “defeat.” The above-cited Socires article confirmed that even though the EU constitution has not yet been ratified by member states, it would still go into action as a kind of “soft law.” I also found the concept of a “soft law” unfamiliar.
In any case, the EU policy makers are to some extent succeeding in changing policy in Europe, and it is not clear to what extent national leaders are going along. In any case, some of the policies involve resistance to the rise of home and private education, and both lowering the age of compulsory school entrance, and sometimes raising the ages for leaving compulsory schooling. The Plan can be seen at work, for example, in Norway, where only 9 years of schooling had been required prior to 1997 (now it’s 10), and children started school at 7 (now at 6). In addition, the first year of Norwegian school is now to involve an integration of traditional play school with academic instruction, whereas previously it had been more of a traditional play-oriented kindergarden. Many rural and local schools in Norway have been closed, supposedly for economic reasons, forcing parents to send their children to centralized or urban schools farther from home (hence some of the interest in homeschooling, which has seen a 400% rise in Norway just in the last two years.)
We have seen developments like this in America as well, under Mike Huckabee’s 10-year governorship in Arkansas, for example, in which the compulsory school entrance age was lowered to age 6 and truancy laws were strengthened in such a way that more work was required to take one’s own child out of school. A number of states have considered legislation lowering school entrance age, and the prevailing long-term trends in elementary school and even pre-school education -- as promoted by various private initiatives calling themselves national organizations -- call for reduced play (in many cases minimal or no recess) and increasingly early work with letters and numbers, as well as, of course, general training in following orders.
The national laws themselves don’t seem to support these EU policies. Home education is still legal in nations throughout Europe. My research led me to a German homeschool information website updated in September of 2007 which documented laws pertaining to education in 16 countries. (http://www.hausunterricht.org/html/rechtliches.html) According to this information, homeschooling is not against the law in any of the 16 European countries under consideration, even in Germany. In a couple of cases, local authorities have jurisdiction, and in other cases the central government retains jurisdiction. Nevertheless, in no case, does the law actually forbid home education. In other words, the national laws go back to a recent time period in which home education was a private issue.
The fact that homeschooling is legal throughout Europe, while being stringently prohibited in places such as Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium, suggests that European Union policy makers are working so fast it may not even be clear to anyone how much authority the local and national authorities have. In addition, local and national authorities haven’t even had a chance to develop a good game plan. A German spokesman’s much-publicized excuse for cracking down on a few harmless Baptist families is that the families by homeschooling threaten to constitute a “parallel society.” In view of the fact that 20% of Germany’s citizens are of non-German descent, a group including predominantly Turks and Poles, with 65% of the German population Christian and 4% practicing Islam, it’s hard to understand the concern with Christian parallel cultures unless a new “unity” is in the program.
Obviously, education is a crucial area within which a community, nation or union, develops attachment to its policies, programs and goals, and the EU policy makers have made their program clear. This program calls for internationalization under the wing of the EU, an emphasis on compulsory schooling, and a severe limitation of homeschooling. This appear to entail, as regards the child and the community, a reduced field for “play,” and increased emphasis on “early learning,” together with a weakening of family bonds, a weakening of national bonds, and a general weakening of civil society.
To what extent do European nations plan to go along with this program? Some commentators, such as former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky, warn that the new co-operation of the European Union and European nations is a “shotgun marriage” (interview in The Brussels Journal, Mon. 2006-02-27 22:13). Is this the case? I don’t know the answer to this question, but I do think it’s useful to consider the European resistance to homeschooling, historically a harmless, private issue, in the context of European Union policy-making. This is a good explanation for why there is such interest in Ron Paul all over Europe – thanks to a new response to my last blog, you can see below some useful sources of information on the enthusiasm for Ron Paul in Europe, including the Strasbourg Tea Party!
Farewell Souvereignty :'(
As a Dutch person i feel cheated.I voted no in the referendum (66% of no-voters) and, as i feared, it didnt mean jack.
As i understood it, it still has to be approved by parliament of the different EU nations and there's a referendum in Ireland to be had.But we all know how thats gonna turn out.
This is a black day in history and we should take immediate action.We've been sleeping for too long my friends, and we're in dire need of a revolution in Europe just like our American brothers and sisters are having this very moment.
One day it'll be too late and we've got only ourselves to blame then.
The Euro has already been forced down our throats.
We need to take action NOW!!!
you are not alone......
You marched in Europe for us yesterday on the 16th as we struggle against tyranny here.......
I'm not sure about the other Americans here, but I am fully prepared to rally in protest. I think the most effective thing to do would be for someone to set up a website where people can sign up for their respective countries, and we can all rally at the same time, albeit in different locations. If the rally is large enough it will garner media attention and we can tell them that we are all rallying against the Lisbon Treaty because we believe in liberty, regardless of the nationality of the people who are affected. Anyone know a lot about websites my e-mail is imperium8infinitum8@yahoo.com I'm not sure how to create this kind of website, but I will help in any way I can anyone who has the know how.
One thing is clear ...
.. Americans and Europeans have their work cut out for them.
Its too late (3am) for me now to brainstorm over a lot of possible actions to take.But im thinking of getting some support through some popular and very society/politically critical blogs we have over here in Holland.
And as you say a general website against the Lisbon Treaty/EU constitution would be great.Unfortunately i dont have the know-how as well, but i'd certainly contribute to it.
Id better go to sleep ..early work 2morrow, but thanks for the great reply and the involvement :D
Its great what you guys (and RP ofcourse) are doing in the US, lets hope us Euro peeps follow your example.
Thanks from a Dutch RP supporter!
This disgusts me
Very disgusting... it's a big step forward for the NWO.
we MUST STOP the CFR before the NAU is next!
OVER MY DEAD BODY
WILL I GIVE INTO THIS. I hope I have the backing of a few others.
You
Do.
when I run out of bullets they can do
whatever they want .... I got your back ;)
we are doing the right thing .... keep marching foward .... WE will not let this happen here.
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make
violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
This is why I'm so passionate in my support
or Ron Paul. People love to say 'tinfoil hat' even when the facts are staring them in the face.
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."- Thomas Jefferson
Well Guys...
I deagree with you guys on this one.
Well I am Portuguese and I like alot Ron Paul, but in Europe case i like Portuguese support the European Constitution. We have a much close history and this was a dream from many people of Europe. We didnt lost our soverty, we shared our culture and political power.
I don't want go much deeper in this matter let just say that i am proud to be portuguese and proud be european.
Well as long as you trust the French and Germans
To have your best interests at heart.
I know there are some good things that result from the EU. Freedom of travel, to work in other countries, the idea of community and freindship in europe. The problem is the control and management of the economy, and immigration and security issue. Doesn't this lay the groundwork for an external action force - essentially an EU Army ? Your personal data can now be shared across Europe.
Of course, I have friends that feel the same as you, they like the feeling of peacefulness, and they like to share cultures - they enjoy having a great diversity of Food, Drink, and Women to chase.
Oh, but the cost.
To make desisions
Is needed 66% of population and 2/3 of states in favor and in some matters like economy, immigration, tax, defense and foreign affairs is need all in favor.
So Germany and France wont rule alone.
Just
Hope that what you bought is truly what they were selling. It will have to go through some serious test for people to trust something happening like that. Besides would they get people to approve of such an action if they came out and told the truth? "Today we say 66% of people and nations need agree, yet tomorrow we do what is in the "best interest" of the EU." I just hope you prove to be right, though I fear otherwise.
That's exactly what i said below....
what happens when they 'ratify' their constitution?gradually perhaps,it is not so similar to the portugese constitution,or any other,necessarily.
are you serious?
You lack the necessary understanding to know what is good for you and what is bad. Centralization of power is BAD. This means that, proportionately, you now have zero power over your life. Your country HAS lost its sovereignty, and you will soon feel the effects. Don't you understand that sovereign states are necessary to ensure freedom? When your new EU passes blanket laws you will now be unable to protest them with any hope of creating a real change. Simply put, you guys are screwed. One day, when you are suffering, you will realize the fallaciousness of your reasoning.
exactly my thinking
centralized power=bad!!!! very bad!!!! Extremely hard to have one's voice heard,the further away from the locus of control one is from one's government....ay karumba!
yea,in an ideal world 'if you trust' blah blah blah...
HEY,if you trusted,there would be NO NEED for any form of governance-freedom would be a given.
But in other Hand
Can Help us protect our borders from emigration ilegal and help our economies fight what Some Neocon in CNN called Red Strom rising.
Thats why i Defend that my contry be divided in regions we already have that problem with money only is invested in Lisbon (the capital).
CNN=worker bee
NeoCon and CNN-do not have your best interests at heart.
And,to protect our borders here,we believe RP-freedom,sovereignty,individuals rights is the way to go....
btw: do you not see how these 'problems' racial rioting,immigration,etc.
have been 'seeded' in Europe ON PURPOSE-so that people would be more willing to accept without question the EU?????
CNN and NEO CONS are worker-bees for the new world order.
And....
And you do not need an EU constitution/suprastate in order to be an entrepreneur and begin to trade and create money for investment yourself. NOOOOO,it does not matter if all of the money is put into lisbon. That is all talk---backwards,forwards,it matters not
what matters is whether or not you have the freedom to determine your life. Do you believe that having a centralized power far removed from where you live your life will give you that freedom?