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TSA: Travelers Who Refuse Scanning Can’t Leave, Will Be Fined

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/19/tsa-travelers-who-refuse-...

Faced with the prospect of large numbers of people refusing the invasive “screening” measures they’ve implemented this holiday season, the TSA is hoping to fight back with threats of fine and arrest.

“Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave” warned Sari Koshetz, a TSA spokesperson. TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the “full body scanners” and the “enhanced pat down” procedures will be taken into custody.

Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists, face fines of up to $11,000 and may also be turned over to local police.

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What is happening to...

foreign visitors who opt out of the "porn or prod?"
Are they putting them right back on a plane to return to their overseas country? Are they having to pay the $11,000 up front to leave? Whatz up? Harassing these people will create harassment for American travelers to foreign countries...tit for tat? This is one big mess and the unintended reprecussions from this unconstitutional mandate are yet unknown..

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I have one word for you...predator drones. Oh, you think I'm kidding?" Obombya

Who is going to stop them if

Who is going to stop them if they decide to leave? Who the hell do these people think they are? All someone needs to do is to call the police and report them.

FEMA Camp Training for future prison guards

Brought to you by the TSA!

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The court will throw out the "violation" in January

unless the TSA can get the case moved so people won't discover that until later.

What stinks is all the people who will submit because they think they have to. The psychological scars will be even deeper when they realize it was a lie.

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Wow

They really want people to accept getting scanned by these new machines.

Is it all for money for the Chertoffs who are profiting off it, or are there even more nefarious motives?

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It's money

Even if we get Pistole fired, the next guy in line will see Pistole get a high-paying "security industry" job and will go along with whatever involves expensive equipment and contracts. What are we going to do? Fire him?

This is why the only way to limit what gov't does is to limit its size. It's not about putting the right people in power. The people in power are too easily bribed away from doing the people's will. The only solution is to not have those positions of power in the first place.

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Without Probable Cause a

Without Probable Cause a person can only be detained for a very short period of time. After that it becomes kidnapping. I quit flying years ago when they established the first screenings. I thought that was over the top. But now, since they are opening themselve up to such easy law suits, I may take up flying again just to take advantage of an opportunity to sue them and be able to retire early.

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In most jurisdictions

A person cannot be detained for more than ten minutes without receiving a written violation or arrest.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

In most, but not in the TSA,

In most, but not in the TSA, Treue Stuerm Abteilung (loyal storm troopers).

I reckon those Auschwitz-guard goons still operate according to Patriot Act rules. They'll rattle off the sections and subsections of long-defunct regs because nobody told them not to.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Why Fly ? If we do not fly wouldnt a larger message be sent...

if the airlines lose money, causing them to react in one form or another towards doing away with the current system. Be it through the government or their own. It's working for some pilots, etc..
It seems it would be a means worth a try and it would not allow the TSA goons to do what some of them obviously desire to do which would be; beat you, tackle you, taze you, shoot you, and throw you in a temporary pin like cattle being hauled off to the slaughter house. That is what our courts are turning into this day and age. There are few in judicial positions that care about the people.
There could be a day where some will get their chance to physically refuse and then try to survive, and that could be sooner then later. However, until that time we must try to pull our resources together mentally and let our government and those that have been given authority unconstitutionally know that they are no match for the people.
Thank you Congressman Paul for standing up for us.

HERE IS HOW TO END TSA

http://dailypaul.com/node/150021#comment-1586486

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Thanks Fishy

Love your activism on the issue.

Here is a post on another front:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/150064
end the fed rally in Philadelphia the other day -
Big success!

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So, it looks like Wednesday

So, it looks like Wednesday we will finally see what is to become of America. If the people let this intimidate them and their efforts fizzle out, then that is the official end of the true American dream. It happens this week.

Totalitarian

Fascism

Airports are becoming prisons

They have built jail cells in the airports now, and now with the strip-searches they are really just an extension of the prison system. It's a sad day to be an American. I used to enjoy flying, and now it is an option taken away from me. I don't mind driving to travel, at least until they make checkpoints and start doing random strip-searches there. I guess at that point I'll have to quit traveling all together.

Just what they want

the average man not being able to travel freely via the air...

SAD

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One good idea is ....

to set up a class action lawsuit fund. As more and more abused citizen/travelers are abused the larger the lawsuit becomes. Make it against the airport/county controllers/and or the federal government. When you hurt them in their pocket for their disregard for our constitution, they'll finallly get the message...

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I have one word for you...predator drones. Oh, you think I'm kidding?" Obombya

good idea

Lawsuit is the way.
The thing is it is not just American travellers who are being abused but also Canadians Europeans and others {a friend just had a bad experience at a border crossing}.
If we do nothing we just invite more abuse.

Thanks for a bump.
Big Thanks to everyone who posted comments here and to Michael Nystrom for adding this article to the front page.

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I will not fly now.

If they stop this outrage to peoples dignety,I will resume traveling.For now though I will just reflect on my past travels and use my hard earned dollars to collect more silver,and hangout with my friends.Threaten my liberty,expect no gain from me.

I love liberty like fresh cool air in my lungs.I love freedom like fresh cool water on my tongue.I love peace like the smooth skin of my sweet lady.And Dr.Ron Paul is the hero I believe will change the world.

It appears TSA is doubling down

I would have guessed that TSA would avoid the confrontation by simply turning off the machines for the day. No machines, no opt out. The whole thing fizzles.

However, now it looks like they are pushing to the next level. Even if few travelers opt out, everyone is now aware of the police state in our airports, and even people who were tepid about protesting are talking about not flying anymore. Because the airlines operate on razor thin margins, even a small decrease in air travellers can threaten to bankrupt the carriers. The airlines will probably put pressure on Congress, and Congress will probably put some kind of muzzle on TSA.

TSA has doubled down by threatening mass arrests and huge fines. They may be setting in motion a logical reaction they will not be able to contain.

Then WE need to double down... Why does no one get this?

The PEOPLE do not need to "opt out" - that just means "grope me." The AIRPORTS need to opt out of TSA contracts. Why is that not the entire focus of this day? Oh, because it is controlled opposition.
The troll who tripped me up all through the Ron Paul campaign is in charge of "opt out" day here, and will not post the article I sent him about how the airport can opt out. Will not post the contact numbers so that people can call and email if they can't get to the protest. And, as usual, planned the protest in the middle of a work day to assure piss poor turn out.

The WHOLE "opt out" as envisioned is garbage. TSA needs opted out of, people instead are going to demand to be groped and believe they are protesting... pathetic.

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Good point

Good point

one thing comes to mind

Abolish the TSA!

good points Fishy.

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Isn't it time?

All the more reason to push back.....what, are they going to fine and detain everyone? This is the moment people, this is the moment to stand your ground. It is times like this we need to go forward, and not submit to this tyranny. If you give up this one chance to fight back, and say "no more" you will lose this moment forever. Did the founders of our country say "OK King George, what were we thinking, we submit to you". No, they stood their ground and said...."You want this country...come get it".

All I am saying is that We the People of these united States need to make a stand, and say we have rights. Does the Bil of Rights not protect us in the 4th amendment upon unlawful search and seizure? What are you afraid of? Either we are protected by our constitution or we are not, and if we are not then we really need to stop and think, nay, start to fight back! If we have no constitution to protect us from this, then we need to reevaluate this whole thing, are we really the land of the free, and the home of the brave, or are we a submissive people whom does things that any Tom, Dick, or Harry says?

I say stand up and fight, I say we tell them who "the People" are. It will only be so long till we have no rights, and no way to combat these dictators. We have to say enough is enough.

Do you want your children to be in a free country, and choose their own destiny, or do you want to have them given a destiny by someone who knows nothing of their person? I am a father, and I will be damned if I didn't say my peace in benefit of my child. If I do nothing then I have accomplished nothing. It is said that for evil to conquer, good men need to do nothing. Are we going to do nothing?

So let us be heard loud and clear....threaten us, and see what happens. We are the majority whether we be Republican, Democrat, white, black, poor, or rich, or anything in between, we need to fight for our rights to remain free. ALL men are created equal, and ALL men must at one point in their life stand up for what is right. So you must ask yourself...Is molestation right? Would you want your wife, husband or child touched by a stranger in the most intimate of places all in the name of "security". Would you freely allow a stranger that could easily be a pedophile, or a rapist touch you? Then why let some TSA agent whom you have never met touch you? I am not saying that TSA agents are those things, they are just carrying out orders by a higher authority, but I assure you that some of them will take advantage of the situation....after all, they are men, and men have faults and weaknesses.

As for full body scans... Would you pose for a pornographic magazine? It is no different really. As a wise man once said, (possibly not verbatim) "If you give up freedom for security, you deserve neither" -Ben Franklin.

Anyway, I want you to think about all this, and come to your own conclusion. For God's sake people you have a choice...make the right one.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22)

I'm pleading the freakin fifth

"Suspicious Behavior" - TOO funny!!!

I don't suppose you ever perform other people's stuff? I think my lyrics are pretty good, but it goes down hill fast when I start to write music and then does a crash and burn when I sing... I would love to give my babies little wings to fly on... lol!

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Fishy~please follow up

with Dr. Sparkles on this! I commented a while back (at least a month ago) that he would be the perfect one to collaborate on your songs and production!! Since then I have meant to follow up because I don't think you saw it ...being the gazelle on steroids that you are..you took off from that thread!

PS~If I was up there that damned tooth would be out yesterday!! All we need is novacaine, a syringe, some pliers and sutures..sheesh! I better not say here how we could aquire those items. Please get it out before you go mad!
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~Love

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I'm open

I'm open to the idea. Let's see what you got!

Get a chip-in-fund together for legal expenses.

Find some lawyers. Snap still raging, maybe they could get some lawyers together?

Lets all support anyone who is doing proper civic disobedience!

Get a chip-in-fund together for legal expenses.

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they better expect bigger fines.

I expect some TSA employees will get out of the hospital long after resisters get out of jail.