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Local Bank Manager has a Slip of the Tongue, Spills the Beans???

(Video link posted at the bottom of the page)

I was taking my friend to a Citizens Bank credit union to cash a check, and an interesting piece of information slipped out from the Bank Gestapo's mouth, recorded on my video camera. My friend was told he had to have his finger imprint on to the check for them to cash it. He doesn't have an account there, but the check was written on a Citizens Bank check. We were both standing there in surprise and shock. So my friend decided he wanted it recorded on camera. (We were returning from the National Opt Out Day in Milwaukee). The teller asked for an ID, which he obliged and gave her his DL.

I went to get my camera, and my friend recorded his name, the date, the bank etc. and the purpose of the video. About that time, the Bank Gestapo (manager) came to the counter in a hurry telling my friend he could not use the camera in the bank. Mark asked the manager why this was not posted on a sign in the front door or window. The Gestapo became more upset, her face turned red and she again asked Mark to turn the camera off. Then she swiped my friend's driver's license from the teller and when my friend asked her if she had the authority to confiscate his DL, she said absolutely. Realizing the camera was running, and she had over reacted, she quickly put the DL back on the counter in front of him. My friend asked why do I have to turn the camera off? Is this place of business any different than a department store? By now, the manager's face is blushing red and she raises her voice and say's If you don't turn the camera off I am going to call the police (Oshkosh).

Then the lady says in a raised voice "It is against the law to have a recording device on Federal Property" !!! My friend and I just about pooped in our pants! We are in shock. In after thought, I should have asked her to explain what she meant by "Federal Property". I think she said this twice. We have this on video, but the video recorder is facing towards the ceiling as we set it down on the counter, but the audio is clear.

So, because I am inclined to immediately believe this was a slip of the tongue and she was not supposed to tell anyone, I immediately began thinking about how the Dept of Homeland Security has already taken control of this supposed Credit Union and the entire banking system. Otherwise, why did she call it Federal Property? I am assuming since this is a Credit Union and we know the banking system is held together by bailing wire and duct tape, the entire system is weeks away from imploding (or sooner).

Does anybody believe I am jumping to conclusions to quickly or is my thought process on target??? I am going to have a friend write me a check from a credit union and I am going to cash it and record the finger printing it on video and see if the Bank manager turns into a raging lunatic and starts threatening us. I believe the entire banking system is ready to go Kaput along with the dollar! Opinions please.

Video here> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLExyBjpvY



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I don't know; only time will tell--

I don't think a lot of people think about filming/taping inside of business establishments, but I have encountered plenty of territorial/control freaking people behind counters/desks, etc.

I think you might have scared her; she didn't sound terribly well-informed.

I'm sorry this happened, and I hope it doesn't mean that even credit unions will begin to finger print--

when that happens . . .--

wow, don't know what to think--

not everyone has finger prints; I know people who do not--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Then she swiped my friend's

Then she swiped my friend's driver's license from the teller and when my friend asked her if she had the authority to confiscate his DL, she said absolutely.

It would be interesting to learn why she thinks she has any authority to confiscate a driver's license or anything for that matter. Perhaps your friend could have asked for her driver's license to hold to on to until she returned his property. (Which from your description she did return.)

In the teller's defense, I might be fearful of the encounter simply because it was unusual, in the same way I would if I was working late at night at a 7-11 and had an unusual encounter with a patron.

So you are saying being

So you are saying being finger printed-(treated like a criminal)is acceptable???

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

No.

local banks

most persons who work in a local bank today have no idea what the heck is going on outside the walls of their local bank or what they hear on television imo.

They are totally oblivious to anything outside the realm of what they are trained for in their positions.

I know because I asked my bank manager a few simple yet fundamental questions regarding banking. The manager was flabbergasted and admitted to not knowing what the heck the issues were. I said I would remember their answer for future reference.

Most of these people do not follow up on their industry outside their appointed hours of work. They work in a bank and think they are somehow enlightened or actually know something. All they know is how to fill out and print forms and use their software imo.

donvino

It comes down to franchise

In this country a franchise is a privilege or immunity of a public nature, which cannot be legally exercised without legislative grant. To be a corporation is a franchise. The various powers conferred on corporations are franchises. The execution of a policy of insurance by an insurance company [e.g. Social Insurance/Social Security], and the issuing a bank note by an incorporated bank [such as a Federal Reserve NOTE], are franchises. People v. Utica Ins. Co.. 15 Johns., N.Y., 387, 8 Am.Dec. 243

Federal Jurisdiction, p.28

If a legal person participates in a federal franchise that person is subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government. 31 CFR 202.2 clearly states that almost all banking institutions are government agents.

202.2 Designations.
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(a) Financial institutions of the following classes are designated as Depositaries and Financial Agents of the Government if they meet the eligibility requirements stated in paragraph (b) of this section:

(1) Financial institutions insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

(2) Credit unions insured by the National Credit Union Administration.

(3) Banks, savings banks, savings and loan, building and loan, and homestead associations, credit unions created under the laws of any State, the deposits or accounts of which are insured by a State or agency thereof or by a corporation chartered by a State for the sole purpose of insuring deposits or accounts of such financial institutions, United States branches of foreign banking corporations authorized by the State in which they are located to transact commercial banking business, and Federal branches of foreign banking corporations, the establishment of which has been approved by the Comptroller of the Currency.

(b) In order to be eligible for designation, a financial institution is required to possess, under its charter and the regulations issued by its chartering authority, either general or specific authority to perform the services outlined in §202.3(b). A financial institution is required also to possess the authority to pledge collateral to secure public funds.

Most likely, the credit union you went to was insured by the NCUA, or fell into category 3 of paragraph a. The extestion of franchise is insidious and has succeeded in subjecting almost all Americans to the plenary powers originally reserved to the territories and the District of Columbia.

For more info see:
http://sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/FederalJurisdiction.pdf
http://sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/Franchises.pdf

republic

Looks compelling

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was it a Credit Union or a Bank?

Citizens Bank credit union

A bank and a credit union are two different things.
In general Citizen's Bank (a subsidiary of RBS) sucks.

oh and Bank of America was the first bank to implement

fingerprint ID.
I remember I was pretty much mortified when I went in to cash a check made out to me on a Bank of America check.

I gave them my pinky finger print.

The bank manager is a moron. You've established that much

so I wouldn't put too much stock into her "Federal Property" comment.

Perhaps the bank is in receivership by the FDIC. In which case it IS federal property, at least until that process is over and it has been turned back over to shareholders.

But the manager could just as well be a complete idiot and not know what the heck she is talking about either.

After all, Sarah Palin thought NORTH Korea was our ally. I wouldn't hire her to be a bank teller, yet she was a mayor, governor, and a VP candidate. No telling how stupid the branch manager is.

I think this is minor

There have been programs promoted by local police departments for over twenty years to get local merchants to have check-using customers leave a fingerprint. The reason is simple: check fraud is rampant in some areas.

As far as video taping inside a bank: it's private property and the manager or owner can demand that there be no photos or video taken. That's their perogative. They do not have to post a sign, merely inform you that you must stop.

Where she got the idea it's Federal Property is beyond me. Probably just blowing smoke.

banking

My wife works in the industry. I bitch to her all the time about the insane policy of charging to cash checks drawn on the bank your cashing them at. She says they all do it, I say that's lame, around and around we go.

The fingerprint requirement is optional now, some branches do it some don't, lame as well. She tells me that after 911 the banks had real problems in transferring physical paper checks or some such thing, the move was to electronic imaging and now the paper checks are destroyed, therefor no need to put a thumb print on a check destined for the shredder.

She also said the bank manager sounded flustered and gave a stupid response(Federal Property), it happens. I asked her about the camera thing. She said no cameras, employees aren't allowed to have camera's either. As for the sign, she said there's many things not posted on the door but you still can't do them. The worst one being DO NOT SHIT IN THE BANK LOBBY.

Apparently the bank had a fiasco with the city over providing a public restroom in a branch near the bus line. The bank's restroom was behind the teller line and people just expected to walk in behind the line and go to the restroom.

You know, it's easy to get all up in arms about the banking system, I agree it's fraudulent and criminal. But to hold the people working in the bank accountable, as if some branch manager would have knowledge of a system collapse, is laughable. Part of my wife's job is to get to the bank after a robbery and administer to the emotional well-being of her employees. It gets quite ugly sometimes when people stick guns in the faces of young ladies trying to work to support their children.

The wife also said you can check into CHECK 21 to get more information.

Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio

My concerns are

Both the federal building comment and the confiscating of his ID are worrysome, but my main concern is her comment that the fingerprint doesn't leave the building. Why would she say that after saying they're in a program with the police? In my experience, that tone and response just means they're hiding the fact that it DOES leave the building. Do they think we're so stupid to not know that if the FBI wanted that print, they'd hand it over with a bow on top?

And how does a fingerprint help them cash the check? I understand they need to verify the ID of the person cashing the check, but they compare that to a known signature. Since they don't have a known fingerprint, what can they compare it to? Either it's to simply collect prints of non-criminals or they actually do tap into some national database of prints to help ID the guy. Too much just doesn't add up.

Not sure what to think of this.

I know I cashed a check over the summer at a credit union to which I did not belong and they asked for my ID and a fingerprint as well..to which I reluctantly obliged as I did find it rather odd. ID I could kinda understand, fingerprint..not so much.

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

I think she just mixed up her

I think she just mixed up her words, I could be wrong. There very well may be additional security, laws and protections for banks. Also, why in the world would you start filming in a bank? I'm surprised you two didn't get cuffed. So yes, you are jumping to conclusions

I don't read anything you post dude

and yes, just because

you are a BANKER. That's all.

not really

Commercial broker. I work with banks. Never worked in a bank and never any consumer banking

And what law was broken to

And what law was broken to get arrested? There is no notice posted outside the bank about recrding or video devices. Who gave them the authority to treat us like crtiminals for submitting to a thumbprint? this is over the iver the top. the real criminal reside in Manhattan and DC, not in some po dunk small town in the land of cheese.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

I would hope there is a law

I would hope there is a law to prevent people from recording in a bank. I'd be safe to assume there is such a law. I don't want people filming me bank, taking video surveillance of my banks security procedures. Privacy and security. The same reason they take your camcorder if you film in a casino.

You know they already are recording you in the bank

with their security cameras right?

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

I would hope so... I don't

I would hope so... I don't care if my bank films me, I don't want someone else filming me while I am there. I also don't want someone else filming anything in the bank. That's like letting a stranger watch you type in your garage code.

I can see other patrons may

I can see other patrons may not want to be photographed there, but her only reason was that it was a federal bldg.

Maybe she was wrong and was

Maybe she was wrong and was nervous because some people she didn't know were giving her red flags by protesting her verification process and she sensed fraud. She also probably thought they were potentially dangerous or planning to rob the bank at a later date.

Would the other patron's be

Would the other patron's be afraid to be seen in a bank because they are cooperating with criminals? LOL

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"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

federal bldg

World is so nutty.

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Local banks are just businesses

They're owned by the corporations and insured by the FDIC for the most part. There's nothing 'federal' about them.

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Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

I think this clip was posted on DP over a year ago ...

Am I starting to go crazy or is this an old clip?

Did you read my story? This

Did you read my story? This just happened last wednesday.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

Interesting

Interesting