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How to bring back real Grand Juries

[This is a follow up to the article "bring back exclusive private prosecution".]

Grand Juries are the backbone of citizens control over corrupt government. Grand Juries have the power both to give indictments and *presentments*, a power protected by the fifth amendment, and it is this last power that makes the grand jury the independent investigative body of citizens that it is. A Grand Jury does not have to simply indict based on evidence presented to it; they can also independently investigate crimes and offer presentments. This allows corrupt government to be investigated and to be charged. This is sometimes called a "runaway" grand jury by propagandists, but its actually the protected grand jury power of presentment, and necessary for a free and lawful society. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/presentment
(Third down definition is the most helpful)

Online, I have read that the presentment power of Grand Juries was selectively edited out of federal procedure rules, despite being specifically part of the US Constitution.

That didn't sound right, and I asked Bob Unruh at Worldnetdaily to ask Larry Klayman about it by email, who recently came out of retirement, and he did and mentioned it in the next interview he wrote on Klayman; which the relevant part is pasted below:


"We the people have been providentially provided means of legal recourse to address the criminal conduct of persons themselves entrusted to dispense justice," Klayman told WND.

He said in the Supreme Court ruling in United States v. Williams, in 1992, "Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, confirmed that the American grand jury is neither part of the judicial, executive nor legislative branches of government, but instead belongs to the people. It is in effect a fourth branch of government 'governed' and administered to directly by and on behalf of the American people, and its authority emanates from the Bill of Rights."

Klayman said the Founding Fathers wanted the grand jury to not be part of the judicial branch, and they wanted a route through which citizens could seek redress of their grievances without having to ask permission of the state, as the state will nearly always seek to protect its own establishment interests.

"Thus, citizens – ordinary Americans – have the unbridled right to empanel their own grand juries and present 'True Bills,' which are indeed indictments, to a court, which is then required to commence a criminal proceeding upon which the accused has full constitutional right to present a defense and seek to prove her innocence," Klayman said.

"Importantly, even the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which allow federal prosecutors to present indictments after a grand jury has issued them, does not preclude citizens from so doing."

Grand Juries are pivotal to keeping corrupt government in check. They are the ones that charge corrupt public servants with crimes.

Klayman quoted from the Williams decision: "Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history … the grand jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the ... branches described in the first three Articles. It 'is a constitutional fixture in its own right.' … In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people."

"In this way, the 'Rule of Law,' not violence, may seek to preserve the Republic, and to avoid armed revolt among the people as occurred in 1776," Klayman said.

I wasn't aware of the 1992 case until I asked about it, so I thought I'd post this, as grand juries, both on the local level and federal, are needed to investigate the crimes in the government!
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Can't help but notice here on DP when a 'soul-ution' is

being pointed out that is pretty glaring, most people here cannot for the life of them 'see it' or wrap their brains around it for understanding.

Hence these very threads die a quick death while the most distracting and morbid ones go on and on.

I can only suspect so many are too addicted to the onslaught now of infringements, violations and abuse by the fraudulent corporate 'legal', color of law' authorities, completely allowed by the people, that they have become 'frozen in time' like a deer in the headlights.

Remember, the power to vision, to desire and to will resides within each and every human being. The 'Power of the People' shall not be infringed are NOT just words.

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It concerns me no more than Huch Finn that my threads are in tatters.

What if a seamstress such as QuiltingSando only patched over where there warn't any fabric missing? Less quilt. More cover-up.

Tom Sawyer's Aunt Polly was always busy patching up stuff, 'cause she was good at it. Whether fabric or manners... Always patchin' up. Made the world a better place.

You are dong fine work. Best wishes.

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Fine work indeed.

Three hundred guests and 50 users.

Someone thinks enough of our conversations to follow. No need to worry the dead or sleeping. The sleeping will be well rested and maybe a little guilty.

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Where do you get that information?

Look right above users names

308 and 57 current,I think he was refering to the DP.

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Correct. No matter the port, we got visitors yearning Liberty!

DailyPaul visitors yearning for Liberty.

I visited for months before putting my foot ashore.

Betting heavily on Dr Ron Paul & those who'll stop to listen. In another century, it may be said he is the finest person looking out for your liberty.

Shucks, why do you suppose the sailors are voting for him?

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Mark,I know you are right

Ron will go down in history!as for myself,I did not lurk,I found the DP, read for a couple minutes and then jumped in.I also think this is how I learned to swim.

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Lurk? No. Dr Ron Paul has been calling us Liberty Lovers.

Some might diminish my presence in Dr Ron Paul's Parade. Screeching like a barn owl, "100 years late, ya ol' buzzard!" Well, it just ain't so.

Parades & me get along just fine.

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PS: My nieces & nephews are ready for the circus. I am holding back on your "Pink Elephant" story. I want it to be a surprise when they point out the elephants to me... no matter what the color, I assure you, I will be surprised.

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I never noticed that before...DUH!!! :o

Anisha,It took me awhile also

Something real cool!Click on the user map!"Visitor locations"

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I noticed that too today, and

I noticed that too today, and was waxing poetic and philosophical on the difference between negative imagination, which while it might get you into the head of the enemy and is a "what if" analysis, makes you feel powerless; and positive imagination, which is based on things you can actually do and how to do it, and makes you feel energized. The first only has a place if you follow it with a "can do in the real world" plan. Then even evil people even existing does not matter - its you doing something good that matters.

Never fear though, I have 2 more threads like this on TWO more things based on what can be done on the local level (ie our level), which can also be tied into what we are all already doing, and will be advocating it. Positive threads can catch on, but it takes a little more time from my experiance.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Don't know if it is drugs in the water, bad food,

misguided education, or just de facto brainwashing, but I shudder when I think about the millions of people, who like lambs going off to the slaughter, are not the least aware of what resides within each of them.

Evil flourishes because of this.

Until 'the people' learn their lesson about what this is exactly that is residing within and practice exercising it, they will continue to pay to the 'uttermost farthing' as they say, read: hell of their own making.


So how are you going to get around the County Counsel?

That is true, but unfortunately the U.S. is not under common law

but contract (commercial law) through legislative fraud, therefore is considered in our American law as a 'de facto' government.

It is 'legal but not lawful' as per the original intentions of our Declaration and Constitution c.1791.

In order for a Grand Jury to be fully functional under common law the entire jurisdiction would have to take its authority from our de jure Constitution c.1791 -1860 otherwise the jury will be a 'de facto' jury, which is a joke as so many have experienced because the judge will simply interfere with them, mostly due to ignorance of the law and their powers.

In the Corpus Juris Secundum, page 340 ss.9 "There cannot be a grand jury de facto when there is a grand jury de jure." (61) Ill. - People v. Brautigan, 142 N.E. 208, 310 Ill.472

Now you know why it is so damned important that we completed our state Republic Constitutional Settlements in almost all 50 state Republics now.

People, get used to it because it is a done deal. The Republic has been re-inhabited.

Those who signed their documents are getting our credentials this week, docs declaring our right to travel on the roads without infringement, sovereign Rights as an American, Passport as 'American National residing in the Minnesota Republic all under the jurisdiction of our de jure Constitution c.1791 - 1860.

Our next phase is the establishment of our de jure Federal District Courts so our documented Republic people may have their de facto Federal cases such as CPS issues with children, IRS, mortgage, foreclosures heard by de jure Grand Juries in each state Republic.

The de facto cases end up having absolutely no standing under a de jure Republic! Arizona's de jure Federal District court has already had success with this now so we are very, very encouraged by this.

If you go to Minnesota Republic's website below, lower right side for stories about Arizona Republic.

Great thread!!! Excellent that you brought this up.

For those who want some interesting reading (883pgs) how the founders lawfully constructed our jurisdictions, I recommend United States Statutes At Large 1789 - 1845 pdf:




Jury of your peers

Grand Juries are made of "We the people."

Simple & free to listen to evidence & arrive at their verdict. A judge is optional.

Thank you for providing this forum.

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I have much respect for Larry Klayman

He was the founder of Judicial Watch, and quit because they decided to become more layed-back in fighting corruption.

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