Root of Fascism, and how does it gain control? Bush 2000 = Huck 2008?
We have all seen the Huckabee commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA
and Ron Paul's response to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alxjl4IjZ9k
Is RP justified in his statement? First off, what is the history of Fascism over the last 150 years? What does it look like? How did it ever gain control?
Let's start with the here and now. Do we have a fascist government today? If it is not yes or no, then to what degree are we heading there? If we are progressing in that direction, what are the supporting facts for that that assertion?
Finally, RP continues to mention that he is running on Bush's 2000 humble foreign policy and then he complains that Bush is now the opposite of that. RP has a long history of opposition to fascism so we can trust him. But in what way do we see Huckabee being similar to Bush 2000? Can we list the similarities of these men as Governors and then enlarge upon Ron Paul's concerns in this context?
It looks like USA 2007
Mussolini said fascism should be called Corporatism.
Isn’t the technical definition of fascism when the state, business, and labor are all controlled by the same party?
The National Dem and Repub Partys represent the same interests, no?
The party is controlled by Banking/Wall street interests, no?
The Old Media, hence a majority of the people, are controlled by the same interest?
Proof:
We have lost habeas corpus.
Our Presidents power is no longer balanced by any other branch of government.
Secret prisons and torture.
A national ID card
Homeland security
Congress Passed a Law that makes it legal to spy on Americans without warrants
Home grown terrorist radicalization prevention act (forget exact bill name)
Pat Act 1 & 2
Military Commissions Act 2006
Federalization of the National Guard
According to our President “You are with us or you are with the terrorists”. Which means there is no place for disenting veiws.
Please see Naomi Wolfe’s 10 steps used by dictators to close an open society and how they clearly relate to our current situation.
There is NO DOUBT we are far into a Fascist Shift.
Liberty = Responsibility
Liberty = Responsibility
As the other candidates start to sound more and more
like Ron Paul, we need to press down hard on them about this move in this direction. What will they do to support or counter such things. More importantly, what HAVE THEY DONE in the past so that we can trust them?
Or are we hopelessly lost and people want fascism?
someone said about the
Full Hour on Jan Mickleson, that RP was discussing this stuff. What were the details, I missed it?
You can go to
www.ronpaulaudio.com and listen to it. I don't know if it's up there yet, but I'm sure it will be. This site has all of the Ron Paul audio interviews.
Elmer Gantry
is Huck to a "T".
They actually made a decent movie of that book in 1960, starring Burt Lancaster, and he aced the role. Turner Classic Movies plays it once in a while.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0053793/
America is sick, call a doctor! Dr. Ron Paul.
Did anyone notice that
Huckabee used the word "disingenuous" quite
a few times during his Larry King interview. Think it was Freudian, maybe??
The Sinclair Quote Was Appropriate
Whenever the Old Media gives coverage to The Huckster, I am reminded of Lewis's novel, "Elmer Gantry." It tells the story of a young, narcissistic, womanizing college athlete who, upon realizing the power, prestige, and easy money that being an evangelical preacher can bring, pursues his "religious" ambitions with relish, contributing to the downfall, even death, of key people around him as the years pass. Although he continues to womanize, is often exposed as a fraud, and frequently faces a complete downfall, Gantry is never fully discredited and always manages to emerge triumphant and to reach ever greater heights of social status. The novel ends as the Rev. Gantry prays for the USA to be a "moral nation" and simultaneously admires the legs of a new choir singer.
When I was growing up my mother often warned me to be wary of salesmen who come knocking on the door carrying a Bible under their arm.
Lewis was the first American to win the Nobel Prize for Literature (1930).
He was a true visionary. In 1935 his novel, “It Can’t Happen Here,” was published. It is a political satire. It features newspaperman Doremus Jessup struggling against the fascist regime of President Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, who resembles (to some extent) the flamboyantly dictatorial Huey Long of Louisiana and Gerald B. Winrod, the Kansas evangelist whose far-right views earned him the nickname "The Jayhawk Nazi". It serves as a warning that political movements akin to Nazism can come to power in countries such as the United States when people blindly support their leaders.
Inspired by the book, director–producer Kenneth Johnson wrote an adaptation titled Storm Warnings, in 1982. The script was presented to NBC, for production as a television mini-series, but the NBC executives rejected the initial version, claiming it was too 'cerebral' for the average American viewer.
And we wonder why television is now a vast wasteland.
Well first off...
Huckabee can speak very well and of course we know Bush can not. Both (Bush and Huck) are relying on that down-home charm. Both will be using the Christian Right to their advantage. It's hard to assess the differences in foreign policy because we are in a whole different world now and we all know how Bush has reacted to it.
Absolutely believe we are heading towards a fascist state but I'm still studying how it's all intertwined so I don't feel completely comfortable with an analysis. But...the dumbing down of America is evident, propaganda usage is evident, dependence on government is evident AND increasing executive authority is very evident.
So how would it play out?
RP said" When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." When did that happen last? Are you aware of the philosophers that taught that you have to use nationalism and religion as a muscle to push your fascist cause? How do leaders use religion to gain the masses' approval, while making it a national matter against a manufactured threat?
The Road to Serfdom
I would recommend a book, The Road to Serfdom, written by F. A. Hayek. It is an excellent portrayal of the rise of totalitarian regimes and explains how they come about.
Book Description
A classic work in political philosophy, intellectual and cultural history, and economics, The Road to Serfdom has inspired and infuriated politicians, scholars, and general readers for half a century. Originally published in England in the spring of 1944—when Eleanor Roosevelt supported the efforts of Stalin, and Albert Einstein subscribed lock, stock, and barrel to the socialist program—The Road to Serfdom was seen as heretical for its passionate warning against the dangers of state control over the means of production. For F. A. Hayek, the collectivist idea of empowering government with increasing economic control would inevitably lead not to a utopia but to the horrors of Nazi Germany and fascist Italy.
A perennial best-seller, the book has sold over a quarter of a million copies in the United States, not including the British edition or the nearly twenty translations into such languages as German, French, Dutch, Swedish, and Japanese, and not to mention the many underground editions produced in
Eastern Europe before the fall of the iron curtain.
After thirty-two printings in the United States, The Road to Serfdom has established itself alongside the works of Alexis de Tocqueville, John Stuart Mill, and George Orwell for its timeless meditation on the relation between individual liberty and government authority. This fiftieth anniversary edition, with a new introduction by Milton Friedman, commemorates the enduring influence of The Road to Serfdom on the ever-changing political and social climates of the twentieth century, from the rise of socialism after World War II to the Reagan and Thatcher "revolutions" in the 1980s and the transitions in Eastern Europe from communism to capitalism in the 1990s.
F. A. Hayek (1899-1992), recipient of the Medal of Freedom in 1991 and co-winner of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics in 1974, was a pioneer in monetary theory and the principal proponent of libertarianism in the twentieth century.
You can read the book online (some pages have been omitted, but most of the content is there).
http://tinyurl.com/2catf9
Please give an outline
Can you show us how this may be playing out today or how it may in the future?
If your looking for an outline
Check out Naomi Wolfe's book The End Of America ,it lays out how a country goes from a republic to a dictatorship ............... When she lays out the steps you immediately think of examples as to George Bush and this regime .
How can we show others that it will just be a continuation
of the same thing?
Huckabee now just like Bush in 2000
They both use their supposed Christianity to fool the Christian sheeple.
Huckabee now says our foreign policy should not be arrogant, same as Bush in 2000.
Huckabee believes in compassionate conservatism, same as Bush.
Do you think voters will think this man will really do
what they want? Many want a sort of theocracy to push through these various beliefs. Bush never delivered any of them. Why would people think it would be any different with Huckabee? Now Bush was not as Jesus speaking as Huckabee, but can people see past the talk and look at the record? Can they look back to pre 2000 and compare the two men?
What is it that the religious right really wants and how can we address their wants with reality?