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Here is a piece of the welfare story. It seems to me a better system than passing out unemployment checks.

And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger Lev 23:22

When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. Deut 24:20

At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the YaHUaH thy Elohim may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. Deut 14:28-29

And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard. Exodus 23:10-11

Do not afflict any widow or fatherless child. If you do afflict them at all – if they cry out to Me at all, I shall certainly hear their cry, and My wrath shall burn and I shall slay you with the sword, your wives shall be widows and your children fatherless. Ex 22:22-24

Also see Deut 26:12-15

When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, [which is] the year of tithing, and hast given [it] unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; Then thou shalt say before the YaHUaH thy Elohim, I have brought away the hallowed things out of [mine] house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten [them]: I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away [ought] thereof for [any] unclean [use], nor given [ought] thereof for the dead: [but] I have hearkened to the voice of the YaHUaH my Elohim, [and] have done according to all that thou hast commanded me. Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

And remember,

Lev 19:35-36
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure. Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have

Deut 25:13-15
Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small. Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small. But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have


Oops, I forgot one...

Deut 23:24-25

When thou comest into thy neighbor's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.

When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbor, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbor's standing corn.

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Im not talking about these judges:

1. Othniel (3:7-11)

2. Ehud (3:12-30)

3. Shamgar (3:31, 5:6)

4. Deborah (4-5)

5. Gideon (6-8)

6. Abimelech (9)

7. Minor Judges: Tola and Jair (10:1-5)

8. Jephthah (10:6-12:7)

9. Minor Judges: Ibzan, Elon, Abdon (12:8-15)

10. Samson (13-16)

I was only refering to the people that moses picked to help him after listening to his father-in-law.
I can see where thier sinning and complaining brought about these judges that God picked to judge over them but what was he to do they begain to mix more and more with the stranger so there become more and more a need for the judges for all the strangers. And Im still not sure what would happen if a native born chose not to offer the atonment or other sacrifice was he treated as an apostate and stoned or was he then put under the judges and not aloud to go before the priest from that point forward?

Yeah I love the way they took care of the needs of the less fortunate. One thing I find interesting is how everything starts off great and then people seem to always mess it up. They start out as this huge family and they start wanting to be like other people in other nations (like the US is doing now) sure they went through hardships but man they where all together with thier family and God and somehow people never seem to be content. I guess the grassis greener on the other side has been around a long time. I also find it interesting how we are also messing up just like them with mixing up the diffrence in family structure and government structure. The family was very collective and complex while the government was very small and simple in the begining. But just like us they turned that on its head.

Are you jewish? The reason I ask is you use the word YaHUaH

I would be interested in knowing your understanding of this word? Elohim

I posted

an essay about Politics and Law in the Politics and Law forum. So I must have missed something?

But anyway,

I don't quite see the problem with what Moses did in Exodus 18.

"I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of *Alahym, and his laws."

But, "Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone."

"And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.

And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves."

Sounds something like Jefferson's "Ward Republics" only better. :-)

I do not think I am Jewish, but I am a citizen of Yisrael(not the Israeli government).

Ephesians 2:20 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the set-apart ones and members of the household of *Alahym

*Elohim -ALaHYM -- I insert an "a" as a generic vowel(because I am ignorant of Hebrew vowel points)

And the biblical model for stealing

would help out the overcrowded prison system. If one steals, one has to pay back double or four times. Or in the case of major stealing, the perpetrator becomes a slave to the victim until paid back. (biblical slavery)
This helps out the perpetrator (by not going to prison, and better learning their lesson) and the victim by being reimbursed for their loss.

The Biblical model is more friendly to freedom

then the current system, definitely!

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


also prison or jail is not a biblical punishment.

It would also be very hard to have welfare in the Bible system because it greatly discouraged the single parent homes we have today. you know the ones that have children by five different men just so that they can live off the government teat.

I was with you until you

I was with you until you statement, "you know the ones that have children by five different men just so that they can live off the government teat"
That argument is so one sided as to be totally unfair.
Yes, there are women who have multiple fathers, and do collect off the government "teat" as you like to call it. But to assume these women are having children just to collect is ridiculous. I'm sure these women are with a man, hoping he will be the love of her life, and raise a family together. only to be told a few years down the line, or just months in some cases...that the guy has moved on..and will not support his child. She then moves on to the next one..hoping this time will be different..but no child number 2 is born and the dad is gone... continue...a few more...Some women just can not afford to take care of all of the children abandoned by their fathers and therefore revert to the government teat.
two way street...give me a break..I watch maury...lol

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

two words

Birth Control