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Giffords shooter shows pattern of psychiatric derangement; no clear political affiliation

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
January 8, 2011

(NaturalNews) Of all the senseless acts of violence we've seen over the years, today's shooting at a Gabrielle Giffords public event in Tucson really strikes home. I spent time in the company of "Gabby" Giffords and met many members of her staff during her first run for Congress. I saw her as a "balanced" representative (a former Republican turned Democrat who still, for example, supported Second Amendment rights) who I thought could bring some new energy into Washington, which seems to perpetually suffer from "Good 'Old Boys" syndrome.

That she has been violently attacked by an individual who is obviously mentally deranged is shocking and extremely disturbing. Almost as disturbing is how the mainstream media has latched onto this story as a way to demonize anyone who believes in the U.S. Constitution. The shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, is, by any sensible interpretation, mentally deranged. Yes, he mentioned the Constitution among his various ramblings, but he also listed the Communist Manifesto as being among his favorite books.

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When?

I guess the best question is for how long has her youtube account been subscribed. I'm sure she doesn't run her own youtube account. I bet that after the shooting someone from her staff was checking out the shooters page and inadvertantly clicked the "subscribe" button not really realizing that it would show up on their man youtube page.

Maybe she was trying to stop him....

Maybe Gifford was trying to somehow "help" little Jared Loughner from falling off the deepend.

Seriously. She was subscribed to all his videos.
Why?

Maybe she was attempting to help a misguided, deranged youth who was being used by TPTB to believe that the Legislature in Arizona was behind the New World Order....

It adds up somewhere..

ok..first off, I noticed a

ok..first off, I noticed a few things on his channel.
he is supposed to be so into grammer, yet he doesn't use it correctly. Past tense items and in his hello message, (first video) didn't use grammer properly. and basically mindless mumblings.
This seems like such a set up...who gives their whole name, including middle name? who lists all schools they have ever attended? Elementary school?? come on
if the situation behind this wasnt so seriously sad, this would almost be comical. patsy, set up, mind control

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

spooky...

strange that her YT channel would subscribe to his.

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"Lie back and enjoy it"

The State's response to the shooting of one of their "anointed":
"These people we are raping are terribly hateful and violent. We simply MUST bind/gag them for our own safety !"

Just wait, the MSM will find

Just wait, the MSM will find out about libertarian socialism and expand on the word, 'libertarian'.

As I read the above and othe posts..

He was reading lots of socialist trash ie. the commnunist manifesto, and kampf. Maybe he was a communist then? ie. militant socialist and this was hypothetically an evil plan to grow the scope and role of government? who knows?

A news clip said he met with the woman three years ago to discuss some business. Obviously, this could be a mistake but it is more food for thought

donvino

A psychologist's take on Jared -

Paragraph 9 was most interesting. Actually, the whole article is excellent, but paragraph 9 more so. Especially since written by a licensed psychologist.

http://pubrecord.org/nation/8718/jared-loughners-possible-me...?

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psychologist

has this person ever met the guy?

psychologists are overrated imo. - at least psychiatrists had to go to medical school.

Anyone old enough and or mature enough can be an alleged psychologist imo.

donvino

Um -

Right in the beginning the author writes that he did not meet the guy & was not in a position to diagnose him from afar.

As for LICENSED psychologists, they do go to medical school & work in hospitals, medical clinics, psychiatric units etc. Harvard, Yale and other ivy-league universities have Depts. of Psychology. If it's necessary that a patient needs a prescription, they have a colleague write one under their supervision.

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The answers lay within simple deductive reasoning.

Is the shooting a rampage or an assasination?
John Lee Loughner ran up to congresswoman to fire his gun point blank because she was the target.

Was he politically affiliated with a party?
no

Was John Lee Loughner intelligent?
yes
Was John Lee Loughner crazy?
possibly
Did John Lee Loughner go on a rampage or an assasination mission?
it appears to be confusing everyone because he clearly hit his target,but quickly fired randomly at anyone around.
Was the assasination attempt similar to other assasinations through out history?no.John Lee Loughner hit his target and then quickly targeted random people.

Did John Lee Loughner attempt to gain political revolution through violence?not in his favor,but the reactionism is of greater change than the violent attempt of removing his target.

Was John Lee Loughner alone?
law enforcement believes there are more than 1 gunman due to the trajectory of the injuries and bullets fired.

If John Lee Loughner was not alone,what is the purpose of a group hittings its target,then randomly firing upon the crowd?
to possibly confuse everyone from the fact that it was an assasination attempt.

Have news organizations and politicians portrayed the violent incident as an "assasination" or a "spontaneous crazy act of angry violence"?

Jared Lee Loughner is called "crazy"..but without possible missing evidence,is he crazy?Is it possible that John Lee Loughner was part of a mission?without all evidence on the table,anything is possible.

John Lee Loughner is the killer,but his background and his writings and book readings do not add up.

Did John Lee Loughner distrust his government?yes,he stated in his youtube videos.

Did John Lee Loughner apply for military recruitment?
According to the military,he did and was rejected.

Why would someone who distrusts government apply for military recruitment?unknown.

nothing adds up.

The news sources and politicians have perpetuated political slander to gain leverage and possible votes in future elections against their political opponents by claiming that John Lee Loughner was the result of the tea party and republicans.

John Lee Loughner is no doubt a cold blooded killer..but why did he do it,and furthermore possibly for who?

A) he was an assasin used to politically mock the right wing in order to gain votes for democrats
B) he attacked out of delusional anger
C) other reason
A:deductive reasoning and observation of the current news sources and politicians condemning their political opponents and blaming them,rather than the gunman.Focusing on calling it a "rampage" shooter also removes the notion that he was a professional assasin.

B is unlikely because he hit his target and gained nothing from such an act.His statements in videos are clear that he intends to persuade people in ideas..yet his violent actions do the opposite and turn people away from his ideas.

"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul

I will raise issue with a point you claim:

"Was John Lee Loughner alone?
law enforcement believes there are more than 1 gunman due to the trajectory of the injuries and bullets fired."

In my opinion, this is another example of the need to be careful and responsible in our posts.

JARED Loughner IS believed to have acted alone. The Sheriff has repeatedly stated there is no evidence that would indicate another shooter. What other "law enforcement" are you referring to? Numerous eyewitnesses who survived the attack and subdued JARED give direct and compelling accounts... no mention or hint of a second shooter.

Could you quote what "law enforcement" sources believe there was more than one shooter for ANY reason.

This is simply irresponsible to make such a statement and casts the rest of your post in a bad light.

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***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

First news conference by Sheriff

In answer to a question of other guns/bullets/casing??? I don't recall exactly, but its the impression I got.

I don't recall that he connected further dots further.

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The Sheriff has long since

dealt with that... the cab driver seen on video with Jared. Never heard any comments about bullet paths or the like. doesn't mean they didn't say it, just that I never heard it.

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

You raise some interesting

You raise some interesting questions and I like your syllogistic reasoning. I have another question, how do we know that he didn't have multiple targets in mind rather than just the congresswoman? The tragic murder of the conservative Judge may imply that he understood himself to be in the company of several high profile public servants. Also, why did he attack in a public forum if he wanted to murder only one person? Did he intend this as a suicide mission?

Also, do we know if he was taking any psychotropic drugs?

Cuimhnigh orm, a Dhia, le haghaidh maith.

We all need to understand

We all need to understand that the Constitution represents a great danger to those who we oppose, and mainstream media is their mouthpiece.

But the truth is, we don't commit acts like this. Our opponents do. The Sixties radicals are associates of those currently in power. Those are the people who attacked police, the military, including the Pentagon. These radicals are now in power, and they try to associate us with criminals and terrorists. But the truth is, THEY have always been involved with those people.

I have to point out...

He actually wrote:

"I had favorite books":

Note that he wrote "had". Past tense when refering to them. He mentions the past tense when speaking of other things as well. I think it is relevent.

The article and everyone else it seems commenting is saying he listed his favorite books as being...so and so. Present tense. He did not.

I also find it interesting that somehow it is automatically criminal to "have a favorite book" one has read if it deals with something inherently viewed as being wrong. For example, Mein Kampf was one he listed that "had" been a favorite. Why is everyone assuming he AGREED with what it espoused? Why could he not have been interested in the subject as an example of what tyranny is and how it may manifest itself early on, and learned from it? Thus making it a "favorite book" at the time he was reading it?Strictly as information learned on the subject.

That would go a long way in explaining all the seemingly contrary books he said he "had" favorites of. He seemed to be someone who was able to hold more than one opposing thought or point of view in mind at a time. I thought that was the sign of an independent thinker. Is it not?

I am concerned now anyone who has read or had any self exposure to these books will be wrongly marginalized into being labeled a "potential terrorist threat"... Guilty by association. (Why else are you interested in such information)? Just like someone who owns a firearm is guilty by association because of those who have used them irresponsibly.

This will not go well for Liberty and Freedom as it will be used for everyones own agenda, except it simply being looked at and dealt with as the horrible tragedy it is and prosecuted accordingly.

Murder is murder(.) This will be politicized and Liberty and Freedom will suffer I am afraid.

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Shooter Manchurian Candidate?

Giffords was to good to be true politically. She was a sensible Democrat a lone DINO as opposed to a RINO. She had appeal to voters and was gaining traction. Could she have been a threat to the agenda of the NWO and a Manchurian Candidate was sicced on her? I already see that they are not letting crisis go to waste. This is just speculation on my part, but the Govm't and the MSM lies, distorts, and with holds so much anything is probable. We can only guess what the real story is.

Sojourner6

Loughner's behavior recorded by college classmate in e-mails

Apparently his behavior WAS previously noticed by classmates and teachers at the college he attended. These emails of a very concerned student in his class from June 2010 are quite prophetic:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/jared-loughners-...

( BTW~the 'person of interest' stepped forward. He turned out to be the cab driver that drove him to the event..he was NOT an accomplice as suspected)

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

I got chills reading those

I got chills reading those emails.

Loughner has made death threats in the past!

He (Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik) said the gunman was a subject of, “some police interest in the recent past,” and he has made death threats in the past, but not toward Giffords. There was no reason to worry about the Giffords event in advance, he said.
http://azstarnet.com/article_0e6ad2ce-1b8e-11e0-ab28-001cc4c...

NJ

The Court Media Bootlickers

Why does political affiliation have to be the motive? Can't mad men be mad men? Even if politics played a role, does this imply ALL similar politics equal murder?

Of course not! It only makes good income to media sychophants.

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality. - John Randolph of Roanoke

He also ranted on about grammar.

Nouns in his rants aren't motives. I haven't watched a bit of TV news since this happened, but I know what they're probably doing, looking for key words in his rants to peg what he's advocating. If we could find his motivation in his rants, we'd have to consider him a grammar Nazi, too.

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good find Gil

Thanks for posting.

Tucson is one of my favorite places in America so nice in winter time I spend there couple of weeks in the 90's and now to see such a tragedy to happen there boggles my mind.

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I love the Sonoran desert in

I love the Sonoran desert in winter and I've always been fond of Tucson. I have fond memories of gem and mineral shows that happen there in late January and early February every year. Maybe I'll go down and make some new ones this year.

Or this is an elaborate cover-up

To quell any inspired repeats. They could easily create a YouTube profile and make him look like he is insane.

Believe me, if you know all about 9/11 then you know this would be mere child's play. Reality fabrication is this regime's forte.

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

i suppose it is possible

but to imply the 'possible' is now 'probable' is not reasonable. As I have said; sometimes when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck... it just might be a duck.

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

WyoWill~

You would like this post... in case you haven't seen it.

The Virtual Conspiracy
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/57079

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd