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Was the judge the REAL target?

http://authenticallywired.com/2011/01/11/federal-judge-john-...

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/10/14/proposed-gov...

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/12/31/no...

There is more to this story than a congresswoman.......pass the Reynolds Wrap....

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act....

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I dunno, unless you're

I dunno, unless you're completely discrediting Chris Nanos:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870459070457609...

it looks like the judge was shot second. Also, you guys need to be better about posting links that actually have to do with what you're talking about. Someone earlier posted something about the judge being shot first, but the links had no evidence to support.

Someone telling us what happened in a video?

Rather than showing us? I don't trust someone telling me what happened in a video when the video exists.

Here Here...

I agree. Show the damn video before it is tampered like the JFK assasination video.

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It Really Seems Like The Executive Branch Of Government,,,

Has "FULL" control over exactly what news is reported, and what news is omitted, or altered !

beesting

Try this

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=194003

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

I know everyones moved on but check out these pics

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14tww8SmqzLR2ub8tX5c2qc6H...

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

celeste, does this somehow relate

to whether Judge Roll was the REAL target?

The guy in the middle pic is wearing glasses ... the guy in custody isn't!

The guy in the bottom pic has a full head of hair ... the guy in custody is bald!

So ... ?

OMG

Your right it is two different people. Great find.

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Link doesnt work for me :(

Could you provide another post?

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Wow...

Discussion open again...This has "Bin Laden Style" written all over it being alive to keep the terrorist issue going...

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

I think some info can be found on this site

I have just started looking into it. Can use some help.

http://www.uscourts.gov/Home.aspx

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

This 401K thing is getting more disturbing.

Consider for example:
The IRS could claim that all 401K plans are technically theirs because taxes have not been paid on them yet.

ROTH plans are seemingly different because they are bought with After-Tax monies but who knows?

In any case, this idea of the government siezing 401K plans in the name of national interest, doesn't seem to go away.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Use your head

Ron Paul has decried using the incident to further political positions. I think that goes double for trying to boost radio rating-numbers with wild speculation.

The only rationale, such as it is, for this speculation is that the judge purportedly had made rulings that liberty-loving people would agree with. That is pretty thin.

Besides, it does not add up. What was the motive? The shooter was obviously barking mad. He had had contact with the congress woman. She dissed him by declining to answer his crazy question at a previous forum: "What is government if words have no meaning?" There's motive for a mad man: revenge for a slight. His friends have said he was probably not out to kill a particular person, that he was mad at everyone and everything "establishment." Shooting up any political event would serve that motive.

He killed a 10 year old girl. Was he out to get her too?

There is no evidence that he had a grudge against Judge Roll. There is no evidence that he knew the judge would be there. There is no evidence that he even knew the judge existed.

Could he have been put up to it? Darned unlikely. Too crazy. Besides, in that case, he would be dead now, killed by a "good citizen," Jack Ruby style.

Why do I bother to write this? I think it's because it embarrasses me to see this stuff on a web site with "Paul" in its name.

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yes

We should all just "Shut up!" (like Bill O'Reilly says) and accept what the mainstream media says it's all about.

Our observation and discussion of facts not reported on by the talking heads, and questions regarding certain gaps in the narrative are embarrassing Jive Dadson.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

edited*

I could not find proof of the 401k claim. As the number of comments merit, there may be more to the story.

As we drive to hell, which party will take credit for the airconditioning?

There is proof of case # $:2010cv00703

Seizing property filed Nov 30, 2010 that the Judge was presiding over. Would this set the precedent to confiscate 401ks also or is it totally unrelated. Sounds to me that this is drug related. Confiscating large amounts of cash for the govenment without proving a crime was being committed in these border states could be quite a windfall.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Hoax

For crying out loud. This is a hoax, and not even a very cleaver one.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/ob...

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MK ULTRA ?

Seems like your typical wacked out loner that would be a perfect fit for the program.

yes

he was the first hit and he is dead.
mission accomplished.

ever see the movie Shooter?

Do you have evidence

to support this? I would like to see it.

Not going to speculate

I'm not going to speculate on the shooters motivations, or who was the real target because I just don't have any meaningful information. The only thing that I would add to the discussion is that the ammo used supports the idea of an untrained shooter. Buying cheap FMJ ammo from Walmart hours before the shooting doesn't seem like a well-planned assassination attempt. Even if the prime target was the judge, there would be too much chance of survival, the same way Giffords survived. I realize it doesn't prove anything one way or another, but it should be factored into the analysis.

FMJ?

Source, please...and I don't mean Walmart.

Full Metal Jacket

Technically, I guess I am speculating that the ammo was FMJ, but the last minute purchase has been documented. The effects of the ammo make it pretty clear that the bullets did not expand. The bullet to Congresswoman Giffords head would have been far more destructive if it had been a hollow point.

The last-minute purchase issue bothers me. Frequently I have gone into Walmart to look for ammo and they didn't have what I was looking for, even the common calibers like 9mm. If you really weren't an untrained head case, why would you wait until the morning of the shooting to purchase ammo? What if they were out?

When did he learn about the event?

I mean, if he only had a 24 hour notice, or less, he had to scramble to pull it off. Now we know that he stayed up all night, 'cause he went to the quicky-mart a couple of times. He was winging it.

Note to C.I.A. -

More notice, please! The gun shops don't open until 10:00.

Possible

Still, I would have thought a would-be assassin would have bought proper ammo when he bought the pistol months before. Please understand that I am not saying that your position is definitely wrong. I am merely trying to point out that there is information that (in my mind, at least) seems to conflict with your position.

What, exactly, is my position?

I questioned you on the type of projectile that YOU said was used. You cannot verify your claim.

So, my position is what?

Perhaps I am mistaken

Based on your responses to my original post, I assume that your position is that this incident was a CIA planned assassination of a Federal judge. While that is a possibility, I would have expected better planning in that case. I don't think CIA Ops are typically accomplished by "winging it."

you do make a good point

It does seem like a big risk to wait until the morning of the event to buy the ammo, but just because he bought ammo that morning, it doesn't necessarily mean that he needed it, so maybe it wasn't such a risk after all...

The scenario many of us are contemplating is that he was a mind control subject programmed to to show up at the event and shoot all those people. It appears that the judge may well have been a planned target, but these types of ops often serve multiple purposes and watching the media covergae, this op appears to have gone beyond who was targeted. It was also a psy-op on the American people.

If they can program somebody to kill innocent people, they can program him to go buy ammo the morning of the event, even if he doesn't need it and won't use it. He probably did already have the ammo he needed, but they want the STORY of someone going and buying ammo from wal-mart and then going on a killing spree the same day. They wanted him to be filmed by wal-mart security cameras buying the ammo. They probably didn't want him to use hollow points because they want to demonize and restrict ALL ammo. And they want it to look like it was not carefully planned so we will be afraid that anyone at any time could do the same thing..

FBI has confiscated the video

surveillance tapes for "analysis".

I wonder if we'll get to see the "Pentagon" version, if any.

Sorry to tell you BUT..your information is false.

I just looked it up on websites with real court case information including the presiding judge. John Roll did NOT preside over any case having to do with 401k.

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