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High-ranking members of US military part of ‘Knights of Malta,’ ‘Opus Dei,’ reporter claims

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By Stephen C. Webster
Friday, January 21st, 2011

High ranking members of US military part of Knights of Malta, Opus Dei, reporter claimsVeteran investigative reporter Seymour Hersh has broken some massive stories in his day, but uncovering secret societies within the highest echelons of America's military would probably be the biggest of his career.

Well, get ready for the media storm, because that's essentially what Hersh told an audience in Doha, Qatar recently, according to a report published earlier this week by Foreign Policy.

Speaking at a campus operated by Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service, Hersh said he was working on a new book that details "how eight or nine neoconservative, radicals if you will, overthrew the American government."

"It's not only that the neocons took it over but how easily they did it -- how Congress disappeared, how the press became part of it, how the public acquiesced," he continued, according to the published quotes.

Hersh also lamented President Obama's continuance of the Bush administration's worst abuses.

"Just when we needed an angry black man, we didn't get one," he reportedly said.

The Foreign Policy report added that in 2003, those "in the Cheney shop" were not concerned about the havoc the invasion of Iraq was destined to cause.

"[The] attitude was, 'What's this? What are they all worried about, the politicians and the press, they're all worried about some looting?" Hersh was quoted as saying. "Don't they get it? We're gonna change moseques into cathedrals. And when we get all the oil, nobody's gonna give a damn.' That's the attitude. We're gonna change mosques into cathedrals. That's an attitude that pervades, I'm here to say, a large percentage of the Joint Special Operations Command [JSOC]."

He further claimed that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, Vice Admiral William McRaven and others in the JSOC were members of the "Knights of Malta" and "Opus Dei," two little known Catholic orders.

"They do see what they're doing -- and this is not an atypical attitude among some military -- it's a crusade, literally," Hersh reportedly continued. "They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They're protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function."

He added that members of these societies have developed a secret set of insignias that represent "the whole notion that this is a culture war" between religions.




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this article talks about opus

this article talks about opus dei. i alway thought something fishy was going on in vatican city where the murder happend. an unsovled murder in the city where the 7 headed cobra reineth? Whoda ever thunk such a thing?

A Fresh look at the Swiss Guard Murders - Conclusion
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Ive been talking about a king on a throne sitting as the head of a foreign government with spies armies assasins etc. im not bashing catholics.

now whether or not these

now whether or not these govenment officials are part of opus dei or not it would be unbiblical for them to be members because the scriptures dont teach that peter was the head of the apostles. lookee here.

25. What is the official teaching of Rome on the Pope?
The Creed of Pope Pius IV Section X states: 'I acknowledge the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church for the Mother and Mistress of all Churches, and I promise and swear true obedience to the Bishop of Rome the Successor to St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles and Vicar of Jesus Christ.'

26. What text in Matthew's Gospel does the Church of Rome use to support her claims for St. Peter being the first Pope?
Matthew chapter 16 and verse 18: 'And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.' The meaning of this text is obvious. Jesus having heard from the disciples the various notions which were entertained of Him, asked them: 'But whom say ye that I am?' and Peter, always more forward than the rest, replied: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' Jesus, having pronounced him blessed, as every believer is (Psalm 32:1), said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.' Christ in addressing Peter said: 'Thou art Peter,' using the word 'petros', which signifies a stone, but in referring to the rock He used the word 'petra', which means properly 'an immovable rock'. He does not say: 'Thou art Peter, and upon thee I will build my church', but 'upon this Rock.' The Rock he had confessed was Christ the Son of the living God, as though He said: 'Thou art Peter, a living stone in this spiritual edifice, but upon this immovable foundation I will build my church.'

27. Were the Fathers unanimous in their interpretation of the Scripture?
The Fathers of the church, as the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kenrick, USA, who attended Vatican I, himself acknowledged, were divided. Eight say the Rock means the twelve apostles as a body. Sixteen say it refers to Christ Himself. Seventeen say it refers to St. Peter and forty four say it means the faith which Peter professed. It is clear that the Rock of the church is the infallible Rock of Ages, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

28. What other Scripture in Matthew's Gospel does Rome quote to support her claim that Peter was the first Pope?
Matthew chapter 16 verse 19: 'And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.' 'The granting of the keys to Peter is quoted in proof of his supremacy.' The keys, it is admitted, are a figure and apply to a door. Peter used the keys to open the door of the Gospel church, for he first preached to the Jews (Acts 2:41) and then to the Gentiles (Acts 10), so these words of Christ were fulfilled. The keys of the kingdom of glory belong only to Christ, for it is written of Christ that it is He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth (Revelation 3:7). The declaration as to binding and loosing refers to all the apostles, and conferred no peculiar dignity on Peter, for Jesus says: 'Verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.' (Matthew 18:18)

29. What text in John's Gospel does Rome put forward to support its claim that Peter was the first Pope?
John's Gospel chapter 21 verses 15 to 17: 'So when they had dined, Jesus said to Simon Peter: 'Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto Him, Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.' Verse 16: 'He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto Him, Yea, Lord, Thou knowest that I love Thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto Him, Lord, Thou knowest all things, Thou knowest that I love Thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.'

30. How should these Scriptures be interpreted?
The threefold question: 'Lovest thou me?' and the threefold exhortation to 'feed' remind us again of Peter's thrice repeated denial of Jesus. He had disowned his Master three times. He is restored to office in a thrice repeated exhortation. He was grieved; therefore no honour was here conferred upon him (note the seventeenth verse). The commission gave no peculiar privilege to Peter. This is the duty of every minister (Acts 20:28). The very word 'Pastor' - 'a shepherd' - is applied in general to ministers and is derived from the Latin word 'pasco' - 'I feed'. There is no Scriptural authority in these verses for the office of the Pope, either as an office which Peter fulfilled or which any of the bishops of Rome fulfil.

31. What eight Scriptures show that there is no foundation in the Scriptures for the Papacy?
Scripture one: Christ taught that all the apostles were equal. Matthew 23:10: 'Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ; and ye are all brethren.' Matthew 23:11: 'But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.' In Mark 10:42, when the disciples strove among each other for supremacy, Jesus said: 'Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and their great ones exercise authority upon them.' Mark 10:43: 'But so shall it not be among you; but whosoever will be great among you shall be your minister.' Mark 10:44: 'And whosoever of you will be the chiefest shall be servant of all.' Mark 10:45: 'For even the Son of Man came not to be ministered unto but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many.' From these passages it is evident that Christ conferred no superiority upon Peter, for if He had the strife could not have arisen, and Christ would have referred to His grant of supremacy to Peter.

Scripture two: Peter himself nowhere alludes to such supremacy. He says rather: 'The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ.' (I Peter 5:1) He here calls himself an elder and witness, but nowhere the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth.

Scripture three: Peter was sent by the other apostles to Samaria: 'Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the Word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John.' (Acts 8:14) Just think of 'His Holiness' the Pope being sent by the Cardinals to preach the Gospel! It is well known that for many years Popes have not preached at all.

Scripture four: A council of the apostles and brethren was held at Jerusalem, Peter was present, and yet the sentence of James was followed (Acts 15:6-29).

Scripture five: The apostle Paul declares in 2 Corinthians 11:5 that he was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles, which is inconsistent with the notion of Peter's supremacy.

Scripture six: Peter, James and John are called pillars. 'James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars.' (Galatians 2:9)Because Peter was a pillar he was not the foundation.

Scripture seven: 'Paul withstood Peter to the face, because he was to be blamed.' (Galatians 2:11) It is hardly the attitude to an 'Infallible Pope.'

Scripture eight: When Paul enumerates the various officers of the church he does not say: 'First the chief apostle' or 'the vicar of Christ, Jesus Christ upon earth' or 'the father of kings and princes,' but 'apostles' (Ephesians 4:11).

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General Patton's Warning On Communism And The Khazar Jews
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THE SECRET DRIVING FORCE OF COMMUNISM
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Opus Dei my ass!!

Thanks Chris..

I'm Fully Imformed as the starter of this thread. 'Just seeing who's still paying attention.'

"Give a man a gun, and he could rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he could rob the world."

since you brought up the

since you brought up the subject here are some catholic politicians. not that i think its significant. castro hitler torque amata pavelich franco mussolini joe biden etc http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_catholic_politicians.html

hey max do you know who the

hey max do you know who the rock the church is built on is?????????? Is that the rock as in "a rock cut out without hands"? like the stone that the builders???whats the rest of it?

Now Max it would seem to me that if petraeus was a member of opus dei then he must not have been sincere when he took an oath to defend the constitution because to be opus dei he would have to take a conflicting oath 25. The Creed of Pope Pius IV Section X states: 'I acknowledge the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church for the Mother and Mistress of all Churches, and I promise and swear true obedience to the Bishop of Rome the Successor to St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles and Vicar of Jesus Christ.'

Surely no one this side of Mary Surrat would do that.

Mods...... help!!!!!!

Now that Ruckmanite and MaxK have had their jolly afternoon of typical Catholic bashing.... while the rest of us have waited patiently hoping this ignorant rant would end at some point.... could we please move this to "Off Topic"? I don't think it is fair that anything that ties conspiracies to Jews is moved, but the Catholics have to sit and put up with this juvenile nonsense.

Maybe we could stick to the PRINCIPLES of freedom vs collectivism and stop being collectivists ourselves by blaming anything "other" as the big bad monster.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
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Don't ask

Mods to censor. That is a Jewish action. Educate yourself and never censor yourself!

anyone know the guys name

anyone know the guys name that printed king james bibles shipped them to america in bags of flour and then was burnt at the stake by some censore?

It is unconstitutional to

It is unconstitutional to give the Vatican sovereign immunity, but we have done so as a nation for the last 30 years - ever since the mid 80s.

The reason the pedophile scandal occured and continues to occur is because of that.

You can call me a bible thumper, but I'm not a child thumper. When you protect evil of whatever religious stripe, you look evil yourself.

FYI - when you can't win a debate - censure and in the case of the middle ages, murder. Until the Roman Catholic church as a whole is actually sorry for its murders and censurship, it must be brought to mind what it has done. They aren't sorry for their murders, and they continue to hurt others instead of reason.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

What is the individual in the

This one is a keeper i dont know if it talks about it or not but the earliest example of regionalism im aware of was practiced by the pope in italy. Ill bet thats what the opus group is about.

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=regional

EU Regionalisation plans for England develop as Council respond to White Paper

Opus Dei Versus The Da Vinci Code – Opus The Winner?
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=davinci

What is the individual in the papal system?
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=individual

destroying our ancient freedoms and eliminating our common law http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=eu1

The Political Claims and Social Aspirations of the Papacy
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=connor

A New Constitution For Europe Examined & Explained By Northern Ireland’s First Elected MEP Dr Ian R K Paisley - Part Five

25. What is the official teaching of Rome on the Pope?
The Creed of Pope Pius IV Section X states: 'I acknowledge the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church for the Mother and Mistress of all Churches, and I promise and swear true obedience to the Bishop of Rome the Successor to St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles and Vicar of Jesus Christ.'

26. What text in Matthew's Gospel does the Church of Rome use to support her claims for St. Peter being the first Pope?
Matthew chapter 16 and verse 18: 'And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.' The meaning of this text is obvious. Jesus having heard from the disciples the various notions which were entertained of Him, asked them: 'But whom say ye that I am?' and Peter, always more forward than the rest, replied: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' Jesus, having pronounced him blessed, as every believer is (Psalm 32:1), said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.' Christ in addressing Peter said: 'Thou art Peter,' using the word 'petros', which signifies a stone, but in referring to the rock He used the word 'petra', which means properly 'an immovable rock'. He does not say: 'Thou art Peter, and upon thee I will build my church', but 'upon this Rock.' The Rock he had confessed was Christ the Son of the living God, as though He said: 'Thou art Peter, a living stone in this spiritual edifice, but upon this immovable foundation I will build my church.'

27. Were the Fathers unanimous in their interpretation of the Scripture?
The Fathers of the church, as the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kenrick, USA, who attended Vatican I, himself acknowledged, were divided. Eight say the Rock means the twelve apostles as a body. Sixteen say it refers to Christ Himself. Seventeen say it refers to St. Peter and forty four say it means the faith which Peter professed. It is clear that the Rock of the church is the infallible Rock of Ages, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

28. What other Scripture in Matthew's Gospel does Rome quote to support her claim that Peter was the first Pope?
Matthew chapter 16 verse 19: 'And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.' 'The granting of the keys to Peter is quoted in proof of his supremacy.' The keys, it is admitted, are a figure and apply to a door. Peter used the keys to open the door of the Gospel church, for he first preached to the Jews (Acts 2:41) and then to the Gentiles (Acts 10), so these words of Christ were fulfilled. The keys of the kingdom of glory belong only to Christ, for it is written of Christ that it is He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth (Revelation 3:7). The declaration as to binding and loosing refers to all the apostles, and conferred no peculiar dignity on Peter, for Jesus says: 'Verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.' (Matthew 18:18)

29. What text in John's Gospel does Rome put forward to support its claim that Peter was the first Pope?
John's Gospel chapter 21 verses 15 to 17: 'So when they had dined, Jesus said to Simon Peter: 'Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto Him, Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.' Verse 16: 'He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto Him, Yea, Lord, Thou knowest that I love Thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto Him, Lord, Thou knowest all things, Thou knowest that I love Thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.'

30. How should these Scriptures be interpreted?
The threefold question: 'Lovest thou me?' and the threefold exhortation to 'feed' remind us again of Peter's thrice repeated denial of Jesus. He had disowned his Master three times. He is restored to office in a thrice repeated exhortation. He was grieved; therefore no honour was here conferred upon him (note the seventeenth verse). The commission gave no peculiar privilege to Peter. This is the duty of every minister (Acts 20:28). The very word 'Pastor' - 'a shepherd' - is applied in general to ministers and is derived from the Latin word 'pasco' - 'I feed'. There is no Scriptural authority in these verses for the office of the Pope, either as an office which Peter fulfilled or which any of the bishops of Rome fulfil.

31. What eight Scriptures show that there is no foundation in the Scriptures for the Papacy?
Scripture one: Christ taught that all the apostles were equal. Matthew 23:10: 'Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ; and ye are all brethren.' Matthew 23:11: 'But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.' In Mark 10:42, when the disciples strove among each other for supremacy, Jesus said: 'Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and their great ones exercise authority upon them.' Mark 10:43: 'But so shall it not be among you; but whosoever will be great among you shall be your minister.' Mark 10:44: 'And whosoever of you will be the chiefest shall be servant of all.' Mark 10:45: 'For even the Son of Man came not to be ministered unto but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many.' From these passages it is evident that Christ conferred no superiority upon Peter, for if He had the strife could not have arisen, and Christ would have referred to His grant of supremacy to Peter.

Scripture two: Peter himself nowhere alludes to such supremacy. He says rather: 'The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ.' (I Peter 5:1) He here calls himself an elder and witness, but nowhere the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth.

Scripture three: Peter was sent by the other apostles to Samaria: 'Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the Word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John.' (Acts 8:14) Just think of 'His Holiness' the Pope being sent by the Cardinals to preach the Gospel! It is well known that for many years Popes have not preached at all.

Scripture four: A council of the apostles and brethren was held at Jerusalem, Peter was present, and yet the sentence of James was followed (Acts 15:6-29).

Scripture five: The apostle Paul declares in 2 Corinthians 11:5 that he was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles, which is inconsistent with the notion of Peter's supremacy.

Scripture six: Peter, James and John are called pillars. 'James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars.' (Galatians 2:9)Because Peter was a pillar he was not the foundation.

Scripture seven: 'Paul withstood Peter to the face, because he was to be blamed.' (Galatians 2:11) It is hardly the attitude to an 'Infallible Pope.'

Scripture eight: When Paul enumerates the various officers of the church he does not say: 'First the chief apostle' or 'the vicar of Christ, Jesus Christ upon earth' or 'the father of kings and princes,' but 'apostles' (Ephesians 4:11).

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=constitution5

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Viva La Revolucion!
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Its the message below this

Its the message below this that they don't want you to see I think - "By the way I was on freerepublic on 9-11".

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

You mean the pope who was

You mean the pope who was formerly in what was called the office of the inquisition where he was covering up child abuse breathed a sigh of relief on 911? I perish the thought.

By the way - I was on

By the way - I was on freerepublic when 9-11 occured, which has a heavy catholic component to it. They weren't only pushing for war against the Muslims, but were trying to coverup the pedeophile scandal (and deleting everything they could about it).

When it broke that the Anthrax attacks weren't from Muslims, like the notes mailed with the anthrax said, but from our own government labs and a Catholic, they never backtracked. A lot of sites that pushed for the wars never backtracked, and the anthrax attacks were a key component to it.

It's possible part of 911 was to divert attention from the pedophile scandals, which went to the highest levels of the Roman Catholic church, and is why the current pope is the pope, and why Cardinal Law now works in Rome. Perhaps it's easier to look at Muslim infidels than your own pedeophile priests, and it wasn't even intentionally orchestrated.

Because the Roman Catholic church spent so much effort trying to cover it up, I spent the next few years preaching on the antichrist and the pedophile story until it no longer was necessary because everyone knew, and the catholics themselves formed their own survivor abuse networks.

There is a heavy component of a new crusade to this. As a protestant, I am not interested in joining with the antichrist to "fight the infidel". My religion doesn't even consider things that way. It also diverted attention from the emerging pedophile scandal for awhile.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Marx...er, Max

If you were Freak Republic then, you are Freak Republic now. The only 'catholic' component were dupes...the Jews ran the site from there.

Did you know your 'former god' Rim Job..ah, Jim Rob held a Pro Israel rally on June the 8th...the same day the USS Liberty was to be sunk? You did....didn't you?

"Give a man a gun, and he could rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he could rob the world."

I just found this site and

I just found this site and can't vouch for it, but notice it gives a lot of early cites for "protestant resistance theology", as it terms it, and thought the list useful. In case anyone else might find it useful.

http://larrytemple.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/the-reformation-...

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

not sure i like the word

not sure i like the word resistance but i will check it out thank you.

I didn't either, but I

I didn't either, but I thought the list of books nice (I doubt they used the word either).

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Paisley has some good

Paisley has some good articles http://www.ianpaisley.org/ i emailed you my facebook site max.
do you know any good sites about all of this stuff?

so that is now the official name for "nwo"?

Knights of Malta, Opus .. Dei..? sorry too complicated

NWO is the philosophy

The organizations that move the philosophy into practice have many names and roles.

let me guess

When Jewish Banker James Paul Warburg said "We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it" he was really "Opus Dei"?

The Jewish banker, Jacob Schiff, who donated $20 million in gold to the the Jew Leon Trotsky and the Bolsheviks, the Jewish banker, Olaf Aschberg, in Scandinavia was setting up investment portfolios for the Bolsheviks to keep them supplied with money. Opus Dei?

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at these comments.

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The Holy Roman Empire and the Pope's Pedophile Scandal

The Holy Roman Empire was obviously the pope, and the ideas of monarchy which our founders fought against - ie the divine rights of kings, is obviously popish.

As a reformation believer, from a gospel point of view, I don't see much difference between unsaved Roman Catholics, Jews, or Muslims (or Hindus, Buddhists, etc). They are all false religions, counterfeited by the god of this world.

There are many conspiracies in the world. One that the United States is currently dealing with is the Pope's pedeophile scandal, which is the largest coverup of pedeophile rapes of little boys in the history of the world.

It takes power and conspiracy to cover up something like that. I'm surprised more people haven't been put in jail, and that the current pope has still not been brought to court for trial.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I am not catholic

I am not catholic and you're reply is irrelevant to my post.

Imbecile

It is a good conversation.

It is a good conversation. one ive been looking forward to having with someone on the dailypaul. The views we have are the views Americans used to have. Most have forgotten thier heritage and how they got it. Very sad. If people remembered it that could help us out of the mess were in . Imo you dont become an american by birth but by heritage. Some people seem to think america was great because they were born. lol btw have you spent much time in England?

I've never been to England.

I've never been to England. I would like to go to Scotland one of these days.

For Catholics:

The consequence of this on history is not understanding what alot of our founders thought or wrote. "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God" and "No King but King Jesus", both used by our founders, originally came from previous protestant revolutions.

The Declaration of Independence was specifically written as a declaration against the divine rights of Kings and specifically for the rights of men. Without studying the nature of the holy roman empire, the context is completely missing.

Samuel Adams said on the steps of Independence hall, announcing the Declaration of Independence:

http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/american-indepen...


"Our forefathers threw off the yoke of popery in religion: for you is reserved the honor of levelling the popery of politics. They opened the Bible to all, and maintained the capacity of every man to judge for himself in religion. Are we sufficient for the comprehension of the sublimest spiritual truths, and unequal to material and temporal ones? Heaven hath trusted us with the management of things for eternity, and man denies us ability to judge of the present, or to know from our feelings the experience that will make us happy. "You can discern," say they, "objects distant and remote, but cannot perceive those within your grasp. Let us have the distribution of present goods, and cut out and manage as you please the interests of futurity." This day, I trust the reign of political protestantism will commence. We have explored the temple of royalty, and found that the idol we have bowed down to, has eyes which see not, ears that hear not our prayers, and a heart like the nether millstone. We have this day restored the Sovereign, to whom alone men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and with a propitious eye beholds his subjects assuming that freedom of thought, and dignity of self-direction which He bestowed on them. From the rising to the setting sun, may His kingdom come. "

At least one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence was a Roman Catholic - and I have his letters of a religious nature from a study I did on who was part of Christendom and a signer of the Declaration - they all were fyi.

It could still be signed by a catholic because "popery" means the politics of the pope. It does not have to mean the Roman Catholic church as a whole. Although I do not believe that way; historically, for the people who have not bowed down to all the popes, whatever they did (including poisoning each other, having more than one pope, etc etc), popery is a more specific title that apparently even a freedom loving Catholic can accept.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I never heard the whole poem

I never heard the whole poem before. is that still commonly recited today? ive got to save it. I found a good video about the gunpowder plot. i will look for it and post it here for you. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/56297heres one you may have missed hope you enjoy it no one else did .lol pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O9yk_qTwiE&feature=share

pt 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XJw9jiCRPQ

It's commonly recited for

It's commonly recited for Orange groups still, which is where I got it this time. Obviously, with roman catholics editing even wikipedia entries, and creating V movies (would any protestant actually do that considering the historical meaning), it must be un-pc.

Remember, Remember, the 5th of Novemember.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.