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Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God

http://clashradio.com/column.html
I would agree with Doug Giles, except . . . .
This short column exposes Mr. Giles insane hypocrisy and the evidence that he himself actually IS the hair-spray-addicted, religious sponge of neo-conservative US global domination and empire(just like Rome by the way) consistent with oppressive governments.
While the real “point” of this article remains unclear, it seems obvious that Giles’ intent is for the reader to think that some government somewhere needs the people to
“defy the state instead of denying their God.”
In NOT assigning credit where credit is due(Bush), Giles very plainly comes out of the closet here as a true GOP tool and shill I knew he was all along.
If the general Christian populace needs to “deny the state” now then I guess this didn’t apply BEFORE Obama. Just now, because the instruments of tyranny were conjured up from thin air via Obama’s magic wand according to Giles. Funny how some folks can’t remember past a certain point. Like Obamas election was such a tramatic event for Giles that anything negative or liberty infringing that happened prior to 2008 is completely forgotten. I think its “selective political amnesia”(SPA) syndrome. This tripe gets old even for a conservative Christian like me.
It REALLY makes me think, as a Christian who was saved at age 8 and has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, when I read/watch a presentation from Molyneux(God denying heathen) and Giles(fundamental Christian pastor) and I relate more to what Molyneux says.
Giles is very proud of his witty writings and his WWJW(Who Would Jesus Whip) saying he sells bracelets for, circa 1998. I have some GOP related questions for Giles to make bracelets for, if he’d ever take two seconds to actually use his brain.
WWJT – Who would Jesus Tax?
WWJI - Who Would Jesus Invade?
WWJS - Who Would Jesus Sanction? This one could also be WCWJB – Who’s Children Would Jesus Butcher?
WWJSOT - Who Would Jesus Sell Opium To?

For someone very obviously living his life according to “what Jesus would do”, Giles seems to once again have that SPA syndrome. While Jesus DID Whip the money changers in the temple, it doesn’t seem in Gile’s mind to Whip the current days money changers. Especially since the GOP has no issue with them. I guess we wont be able to look forward to his daughter(WOW! by the way) videoing any shady dealing at the FED or the IRS or JPMorgan or any of the other dens of thieves like she did the cretons at ACORN.

This and the complete silence from our “fundamental Christian” church leaders on our wars, is another reminder of how the giants of liberty like Jefferson always knew how to boil things down into simple statements like:

In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

And so it is in America . . . . .



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At the point the pagans start

At the point the pagans start attacking God, lying about history, etc is the point that they can't tag along anymore. God is the victory. Attacking Him is a defeat. Choose your side. As for me and my house, we will choose the Lord.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

"Choose the Lord"

I think this is done through our actions and us(Christians/pastors) all sitting around behind our government killing the numbers we're killing is NOT "of the Lord".

When your country is running counter to Jesus' message then patriotism is NOT a Christian value much to the surprise of many a church goer in the US.

Many Germans were very patriotic in the late 30s/40s.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

And yet my message was about

And yet my message was about putting God first, and not allying yourself with people he said to separate from.

Proverbs 22:11 Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

in other words, this 'pastor' is careful as to whom he assigns

the label of demogogue--politically careful?

I haven't followed this man, but I know the mindset, and it is dangerous, indeed.

As a Christian myself, I understand how frustrating it can be when Christians are not as truly liberty-minded as non-Christians, but I respond with wholehearted friendship towards any who are true--whatever religious label they have placed on themselves--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

hes another Hannitty

GOP GOOD
DEMS BAD

Thats about all he knows.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

True to whom? What is your

True to whom? What is your first priority?

I believe God gives the spirit, and inspires men to liberty. Some may not be saved yet, but do you even ever tell them the gospel message?

I ask because I do not think this is a struggle that can be won physically. I have seen too much supernatural stuff from satan in this last year, not to think that we should not withdraw from the sodomites and pagans, when God says we should.

Loving the lost is one thing. Realizing that they don't have your best interest in heart - which is God, is another.

God is our best interest in heart.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I mean true, as in truth--

simple.

When I see truth in the hearts of those who are not Christians and no truth in the hearts of those who proclaim to be Christians, I feel pain, but I can recognize truth.

I think we are talking about the same thing--

the OP states things that I can relate to. There are people with whom I go to church who claim to be 'saved'--

who simply do not understand the truth; there are people with whom I do not go to church who believe, somewhat vaguely, in God or not--

who speak the truth about liberty and understand what really matters.

I agree, too, that this 'struggle' will not be won physically, certainly not by war. I DO believe God is at the helm, and I trust that He will take care of us, but how we act matters, too.

And, yes, since liberty is God-inspired, when liberty is in the heart of someone who doesn't profess God . . .

and not in the heart of someone who does profess God--

there is a conundrum for those of us who 'believe'--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Here we go again.

Here we go again.

ah yes . . .

another thread where people who believe or not assign themselves battle stations?

Or just . . . another deluded pastor?

Either way, I agree.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

bottom line

Obedience is worship.

donvino

LOL...

""Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you." (Heb 13:17 NIV) This not a divine suggestion, it is a command."

"God Establishes All Authority

Scripture unequivocally states that God is the One who sets all authority in place, both civil and ecclesiastic. "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves." (Rom 13:1,2 NIV, emphasis added.) Although Paul is speaking specifically of civil authority in this passage, the same principle certainly applies to church authority."

Stupid sheep that lap this up should be exiled...

I'll continue to be a rebel,my choice,my life and no one answers for it but me and I live comfortably with that...

not sure what you mean Thomas

I think the scripture you reference here is talking about church leaders.
The KJV is this:
17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Secular leaders dont "watch over our souls".
Not to mention the fact that to obey this to its logical conclusion based on the interpretation you illustrate here, then Corrie Ten Boom was sinning when they hid the Jews in their house in Nazi Germany.

God DOES set all authority in place and he also works in mysterious ways.
My personal conviction is that he is testing the US Christians to see how many humans we will slaughter before we realize his judgement is coming. First we slaughtered via Roe v Wade, now via WAR on anyone we can think of WITHOUT it being a "just war". In Christendom, there is such a thing.
I also think that the US running around thinking we are blessed by God at this point is lunacy.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

I agree with you . . .

"American" *Christians* are failing the test miserably--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Good post.

It is amazing how many evangelicals forget that we had George W. Bush for president, and it was him who got us into these wars.

It is like Ron Paul just said on "Morning Joe"..."It doesn't matter what Party (Republicans or Democrats)is in control...they both answer to "someone" who dictates foreign policy". Who is that "someone"? That is the million dollar question.

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

The sad thing about Giles...

is that if he understood Jefferson's version of God he probably wouldn't be quoting him.

just read below that the OP put in the quote by . . .

Jefferson; often quotes are used without understanding as to their origin; I have done it many times myself.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Ben Franklin said it

It was going to be used for the first seal of US

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Thanks for pointing that out...

I thought it came from Jefferson. I thought Jefferson was the one that came up with the seal but it was Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin.

Even so Giles might study Ben's religious beliefs as well.

They both suggested religious

They both suggested religious seals. The final version is actually religious as well. The "illuminati" symbol was taken from the frontpiece of Walter Raleigh's providential history of the world and the pyramid was from a previous design by Francis Hopkinson, signer of the Declaration and church organist / hymn book editor.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Religious to your doctrine

historical and metaphoric to theirs.

Jefferson was ardently anti-religion and Franklin was a Deist as well. Neither according to their writings believed that Jesus was of divine nature or the Son of God. They were of the Age of Enlightenment.

Sorry I posted that for you,

Sorry I posted that for you, I thought you would enjoy it. I won't try again.

Religious to me doesn't necessary mean Christian, as what you believe in your heart, which no one knows. Only God knows what is in your heart. Religious is what is outwardly shown.

Both men were religious, attended church, etc. Franklin gave advice on attending church. Jeffererson was a vestryman and designed his local church when it was rebuilt. etc.

I believe both of these men were also saved, and not just religious. However, that is what GOD judges, not me, and certainly not you.

FYI - Jesus Christ was ardently "anti religious" in the sense you're stealing with too. SO WHAT. I'm tired of the stupid taking up my time with a 50 year old propaganda campaign run by a bunch of marxists, ex catholics, gays, pagans, infidels and other assorted rabble. All part of the long range plan.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Dear MaxK.

I am not judging them I am merely explaining their beliefs as they explained themselves via their own words, in writing. They believed in morals, they admired Jesus the man, they refuted the literal mysticism in the bible, they did sometimes attend Church, but they were hardly the Evangelical Fundamentalist Christians types that the proselytizers of our time want them to be.

Both men were Masons.

Jefferson's Syllabus of an Estimate of the Merit of the Doctrines of Jesus, Compared with Those of Others -

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html
(the angelfire version is correct - you can also buy the book at Amazon)

"I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."

"They have been still more disfigured by the corruptions of schismatizing followers, who have found an interest in sophisticating and perverting the simple doctrines he taught, by engrafting on them the mysticisms of a Grecian sophist..."

"Notwithstanding these disadvantages, a system of morals is presented to us which, if filled up in the style and spirit of the rich fragments he left us, would be the most perfect and sublime that has ever been taught by man."

Benjamin Franklin wrote in his autobiography, Chapter 6-

http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Benjamin-Franklin-Thrift...

"Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."

You are a liar. There is no reason to talk.

Your Benjamin Franklin quote is a lie. I didn't bother to look at your others, as you are clearly a fool, and when shown to be wrong, will just endlessly repeat. There is no goodwill possible between those who intentionally lie and those who want the actual truth.

Here is the full quote:

"Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist. My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of them having afterwards wrong'd me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith's conduct towards me (who was another freethinker) and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, tho' it might be true, was not very useful."

This quote, like a lot of others, has been intentionally manipulated. The true Franklin here and elsewhere very deeply regreted ever being a Deist in part of his twenties, like a lot of us regret things.

I regret being lied to all my life like this. You feel sorry you reposted this? You had no interest in the truth. FIFTY YEARS of this SHIT lying. There is coming a time when people won't feel it's innocent mistakes anymore. It's been intentional right down the line.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I've given you their words, you spout

rhetoric, you have no facts.

"The true Franklin here and elsewhere very deeply regreted ever being a Deist in part of his twenties, like a lot of us regret things"

Show me.

Besides Franklin the freethinker is saying tho the doctrine might be true it created enemies for him, just like here in the DP boards. Many of the founders including Jefferson were careful about expressing their views in public or to friends because of exactly what you are doing here.

You don't want to read the Jefferson bible? The version excluding Paul and all the mysticism?

misunderstood

that was ME quoting Jefferson, not Giles.
This posting is my response to Giles article.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

I agree..

I agree..

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Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson