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Your input please: Image sharing on the Daily Paul

Friends,

People email me from time to time asking, "How can I upload images to the Daily Paul?" Well, I hate to say it, but the answer is, you can't.

The reason is that 1) it could result in unpleasantness as spammers upload porn pictures, etc. None of us want that, and it would be a mess for me to clean up. Also, 2) there are new liability concerns for me, as bottom feeder nemesis Righthaven is now suing webmasters over images.

In the past, I've pictures that people have emailed me, resized them, uploaded them and embedded them on the site. This isn't a satisfactory solution either, since I become a bottleneck, and I simply don't have the time.

I would like to suggest, and solicit suggestions on how to make this easier.

My suggestion is to use the site Imagur, at: http://imgur.com. You can easily upload images anonymously, and then link to them. Be sure to turn of geotagging on your phone, otherwise you could be stalked!

I would also like solicit suggestions on other image sharing sites that would be appropriate. Any services you use and like? Pro's & cons?

Many thanks for your input.



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Hi

You folks are welcomed to use our site for pic hosting.
http://tinyurl.com/12160net

We mirror the site every few months so you will never loose them. Plus its on our dime :)

why be such a prude

If you let porn get posted here this site really would be a one stop shop for me :)

i agree

imgur is the simplist. no accounts, can handle bulk uploads, instant links, etc...

I am a Flickr member since 2007...

One benefit for the DP to consider a companion Flickr page is the size of its in-site community. Membership is spread widely throughout the world with large representations across every continent. It's social network aspects are staggering.

Flickr offers lots of bells and whistles for creative outreaching to its vast membership. I have accumulated over 500,000 views related to my public images. Flickr provides a detailed daily stats page to track viewership.

I foresee lots of opportunities for recruitment of new members and visitors to DP through a well-conceived presence on Flickr.

My "aka" on Flickr is Peace Correspondent at http://www.flickr.com/photos/peacecorrespondent/

this is an EXCELLENT POINT Michael take note of this

during the election people will be searching for images of politicians and political signage and demonstrations (regardless of motives)and the social networking aspect of Flikr would probably be beneficial. Something to think about.

A DP Flickr "group" could be easily moderated

As a repository for all DP-related images, especially the grassroots-in-action photos, the group's administrator(s) in the Flickr system can moderate what does or does not get posted as well as other desired posting criteria regarding limits and frequency of user's uploads. So, there is little chance that offensive or counter-productive images could appear.

A Flickr group is designed with a full table of discussion features. Also, short videos can be uploaded to such a group.

When and if Dr. Paul begins his new presidential run, tens of thousands of images of the campaign --from his personal appearances to all the local activism from around the world-- can find their way there. These will remain well-organized for others to use during the campaign and afterward as a valuable archive.

Right now, I am delighted.

I am delighted with all the fine improvements.

  • Shiny new servers.
  • Performance tuning.
  • Cross linking to other sites, improving our projection, attracting new visitors. I hope we continue showing "Guest Count." It is the number that I use to encourage folks to jump in and participate.
  • New libertarian features from Jon (chrono, replywatcher, & my humble suggestion: "new!"
  • Awaiting my suggestion to link "ReplyWatcher" next to "Latest Posts" aka: Chrono
  • Happy new year, it is!

My needs are simple (see: ATruePatriot reply).

I appreciate pictures, sketches, & charts. I can inline viewable links, via Jon's DailyPaul Improvement project for those using it.

The replies are excellent. Very impressed with recent replies on this thread. For example:

Is there a Drupal module or function...?
Submitted by TenaciousE on Mon, 01/24/2011 - 19:19.

Responses show good inspiration.

As the election cycle start ramping up, hopefully our site will be up for rapid scaling & expansion.

Thank you Mr Nystrom.

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Policing the Photos

How about including a "spam" button that would remove the image in question from the public view, and flag it for moderator attention.

I think Mike has the right

I think Mike has the right idea to not allow any images on the site, but just link to them.

I have used Imageshack

and Photobucket in the past.

Is there a drupal module or function

that would allow the uploading of an image or embedding of video that would not initially display it but flag it for moderator review?

Something similar to this?

This tutorial will give you an example how to use the Rules Forms module.

We want to have a workflow on our story content type: Content should be created as draft, then marked as "Needs review", then set to "Reviewed" and finally it should be "Published". Content can also be marked as "Needs work" to indicate that it is not ready yet. There will be 2 user roles: Editors, that create and review content, and Publishers that are allowed to publish the content.

http://drupal.org/node/550716

Joη's picture

I think the problem here is

how can the mods know what's original content and safe to embed? They'd have to trust the word of a username they probably know little about.

The more problematic part is that images need to pass through the full HTML filter, not the...filtered HTML filter. I've set up a demo drupal site on my machine to make sense of this. A Drupal.org talk:
http://drupal.org/node/175936

The full HTML filter can allow dangerous stuff in, SO it necessarily locks the original author out of changing it ever again, bottlenecking future changes on requests to mods. Not good.

Come to think of it...there are ways to change the filtered HTML setting to additionally allow <img> elements...but this leads back to the more fundamental problem of trusting the media's originality or creative commons status.

Which is a real shame, I think.

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I see the issue with uploading images and Copyright.

What about embedding content with moderator review. Example: A DP user is able to embed via photobucket or youtube or... this way the content is hosted elsewhere but visible on the OP.

The mod would have to review the content, follow the link.

Joη's picture

then there's a mod bottleneck

like there currently is for videos. Not too terrible, but relies on the variable judgment of the mods.

I mean, I agree, if it's ok to embed YouTube stuff, why are images different? But for some reason, it doesn't work like this.

Some IP trolls think even linking to their content = theft, which reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about how the internet works.

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This would be custom code but...

To avoid the "bottleneck", when a photo or video is embedded the url is placed in the post and a notification displays in the post that embedding is waiting moderator approval. This way the content, via url, is available for viewing immediately.

As the moderators go through the OPs they can either approve or deny the embed. The approve should be the default unless the video or picture is against DP policy. The policy would have to be clearly written, removing the judgment or bias of the moderator.

Joη's picture

in general, this is what already happens

I don't really think an embed queue is going to help.
(and good luck writing policies immune to moderator bias!)

In the end it's not my say. It's not that there's an absence of reasonable ideas, it's external forces pushing everyone into suboptimal solutions.

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You could make it a different

You could make it a different color or have a star by it in the active forum topics list. Then mods would know to look there and approve or disapprove.

Columbus, Ohio

That's what I was thinking

That's what I was thinking too. Waiting for moderator approval.

Columbus, Ohio

Joη's picture

Perhaps this, along with some other tips

should be linked to in the text under "Create Forum Topic" at http://www.dailypaul.com/node/add/forum

I use Picasa, a free gig of online image hosting that comes with my Google Account. It has native viewcounters for each image and automatic resizing options. Take that CPAC ticket on the top of the DP right now, it's this:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Vu2Zos0Bs8w/TS4FRJfLxvI/AAAAAAAABw8/Tk...

That "s800" is the 800px size parameter. Now, this particular image isn't that big, so it won't get bigger, but I can resize it smaller if I arbitrarily change that parameter:

.../s96/cpac...

.../s32/cpac...

.../s16/cpac...

Useful! For me at least.

The other, more conventional one most people can use anonymously is http://imageshack.us/

I'm a very visual person, so I do wish pictures could be embedded, maybe by mods, but without locking the original author out of the post. But I don't know how to do this now. Or how to deal with IP trolls. :(

I could add a script to find and embed all image links, for users, and them opting-in to doing so could LEGALLY mean they did it, not the site...

While we're on the subject of images
Do user portraits (visible on profile pages) count in the IP trolling? As long as the users say "they have the right to use that image", how can the webmaster be held responsible?

I've been wanting to see user portraits in comments, (and not just the default coaster!) but don't recall if this was ever discussed.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Apparently I have a Picassa account also

I was taken to it when I clicked on your top link, and shown old photographs that I had completely forgotten about.

- - - - -

Yes, the job of a webmaster is not easy these days.

As to your question, Do user portraits (visible on profile pages) count in the IP trolling?

It depends on what you mean by "count." In this country, anyone can sue you at any time for any reason.

If you get sued, you need to provide an answer to the court. You can do it on your own, or you can hire a lawyer who will charge several hundred dollar$ per hour. If you do it on your own, it will cost you tens of hours of research and grief. If you don't answer, a default judgment will be issued against you. If your answer is rejected by the court, further litigation will be required...

So, as to whether it 'counts' depends on who is doing the 'counting.' A company like Righthaven has more resources than the average webmaster. Now, however, it appears that Righthaven is shifting strategies to
sue individual posters.

He's the man.
Joη's picture

I'll take that as a "no" on comment portaits, then

:|
*mumbles* lousy image-greedy IP trolls...

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Yeah, it kind of sucks

The other thing is that you get people putting in pictures of naked ladies and stuff, cuz they think its funny.

Then I've got to go chase them around, or take them down, or wahtever. And then they'll say, "what about a girl in a bikini - is that ok?" And then I get accused of censorship, blah blah blah.

Sorry, after 4 years of this it takes its toll. Cost benefit analysis to me personally is negative.

He's the man.

Better to be safe than sorry

Keep it simple,I once had a Cadillac it was a beautiful car.All the bells and whistles rendered it a pile of junk and a fire hazard.I finally parked it even though it ran great.I got tired of working on the bells and whistles.The list is endless,Automatic air suspension,Automatic climate control,Inside turn and brake light monitor,Electric windows,Electric seats,Electric door locks(Locked me out twice with the keys in the ignition and running)Etc.I was working on this junk all the time and just got tired of it and refused to drive it.Yep,keep it tuned,and keep it simple,less to deal with and a pleasure to drive.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Michael Nystrom's picture

lol

or as Thoreau said, "Simplify, simplify, simplify."

He's the man.

Mr Nystrom?

With help from "Swifty" who posted a quote under yours. I chased down who wrote the poem,It was Goethe.It took some finding but he indeed gets the credit.Thank you again,I have been reading some of his other stuff,Great!Thanks for sparking my interest.

http://97.65.137.56/node/154997#comment-1639369

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

BMWJIM's picture

Jon, How about only personal

Photo's. Not bringing in from other sites but only what we take.

Just wondering?

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Joη's picture

easy to say, impossible to guarantee

see?

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BMWJIM's picture

Thank you Michael. I will try it

I'm not that computer literate but when my son gets home this weekend from college I will get him to help me upload the pics from my greenhouse. Thank you so much for this avenue.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Jim

Take 1 minute to look at imgur (if you have a minute): http://imgur.com/.

It is super easy. On the front page, just hit the "browse" button. It will open a dialogue box so you can browse your hard drive and find your pictures. Select your picture and then hit "continue." It will upload your photo, and you can just copy the page address from that page. It is that easy. It seriously takes one minute.

He's the man.