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Leaked Video - Zeitgeist 3 Moving Forward

I don't agree with everything in this documentary, but there are valid points raised regarding whether the society we have created is helping or hindering our well-being as a species.

I like how it goes into planned obsolescence.

I realize that there's a divide among whether Zeitgeist is good or bad. I just thought I'd post for reference.

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There are better

There are better documentaries that cover many of the same topics Zeitgeist does. However, Zeitgeist in particular is extremely dangerous because it presents some truth mixed with outright lies.

If you've already watched the documentary, then you owe it to yourself to watch "Zeitgeist Refuted" by Chris White: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh84h7Caf_E

Why bash a belief in God?

I enjoyed the first one, minus the God bashing, because it stuck to real and material issues that are working against us. People say that you can't prove that God exist, and I say you can' prove that He doesn't. Either way it is very divisive to point out real life issues that we can work together to change, and then highly offend a huge chunk of American people by attacking their faith.

I don't agree with the religious "SYSTEM", as they are very non biblical, but the Bible tells us that this will happen, and it is happening now. No longer is following God's Word that is important among the church, it is now more important to follow the laws and customs of man. This is no surprise to those who actually read their Bible, rather than have someone behind a podium tell them what it says and means.

The whole Zeitgeist/Venus Project idea...

is a complete cultural and social transformation (reeducation) and the setting up of a global central command and control of resource allocation.

webster's 1913:

So"cial*ism (?), n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to grasp. A no-brainer. :)

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Collectivism and Technocracy

Zeitgeist points out some real problems. Doesn't do a half bad job with the Federal Reserve and a couple of other things.

Then it does a 180 and offers the worst possible solutions.

Collectivism and technocracy combined will lead to the worst kind of tyranny and horrors imaginable.

His solutions are an authoritarian globalists wet dream.

You set up a system like that, and the psychopaths will infiltrate it and have most of us exterminated within a generation at best.

Research *that*.

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Too much marxism in the Zeitgeist movement...not good.

Remember, if you don't destroy the New World Order in the right way you will merely become them...

What was the Zeitgeist movement hoping to prove? That collective ideologies win out best? That if we overthrow the New World Order, we need a nationalized tax...universal code...universal system to make everything alright again?

Wait....isn't that the current load of crap that gave us the NWO to start with? Pretty much...different face, same result. Solutions are brought by individuality...we need to replace the top-down control...with nothing but our sovereignty.

Zeitgeist - like most things, part good part bad!

I enjoyed and continue to study astrotheology, as presented in Zeitgeist 1. Yet, I don't reach the same conclusion of many. I still have faith, just not much in what churches tell us. To simply conclude that all the symbolism through the ages in religions and schools of mysticism and metaphysics is simply nature worship is quite naive I think.

On living without money? Ridiculous! This is D-Grade economics. I'm a long student of Austrian Economics by the way. Money (mediums of exchange) grew out of the economic advantages of not requiring to barter your 3 fish to an egg seller who had plenty of fish.

To try to prevent the use of a medium of exchange would require tyrannical controls. You can't do it AND not use FORCE. It's just another version of some seemingly clever sounding, but actually civilization destroying socialist ideas. Anyone who isn't convinces, try reading Mises on Socialism and then his chapters on Money in Human Action. All free online at www.mises.org

So, the Zeitgeist guys are basically amateurs who deal in uncommon ideas. Good on them for that. Unfortunately, they don't have the knowledge to apply the right filter on what's fringe because it's silly, and what's fringe because it's been pushed out of the public interest due to vested interests or forgotten knowledge.

I loved the first Zeitgeist.

I loved the first Zeitgeist. I learned about the Federal Reserve from it as well as Freedom to Fascism.

Then 2nd and 3rd Zeitgeist went downhill. But I definitely give props to the first Zeitgeist!

same

I haven't watched it again though and I don't know if I would like it as much now, but I agree with you entirely.

if you want to think "spotting the problem but coming up with

'controversial' solutions," think liberals. they are much better at this.

i wouldn't trust any movement heads whose livelihood depends on its survival. NOT EVEN those who spot the problems and say all the right things, before we even mention this.. zeigeist, whatever thing.

Who funds,and makes these crap movies?

I have a HUGE beef with the original zeitgeist movie. I consider it misleading piece of crap hit piece on religion.

Lex Luthor?

:D

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Stephan Molyneux on Zeitgeist

Check out Molyneux's videos and debate with Peter Joseph at freedomainradio.com He shreds Zeitgeist for its economic illiteracy, specifically how it runs afoul of Mises demonstration that resources can only be rationally (i.e., efficiently) used within a free price system. In other words, a modern industrial economy cannot function without money prices guiding resources into those areas of production most demanded by the consuming public. As Zeigeisters wish to abolish money (how can that be done without an oppressive government?) their hope for future abundance via computer run technology is doomed to futility. As the citizenry is thoroughly uneducated in free market (Austrian) economics these hair brained proposals keep rising from the minds of ignorant dreamers. Molyneux goes into great detail precisely explaining these shortcomings of Zeitgeist.

marlow

Last regime to abolish money was Pol Pot's

Last regime to abolish money was Pol Pot's Kampuchea. They forbade all forms of money, drove the "money collectors" out of the city of Phnom Penh to slave away in the killing fields, where two millions died building the ultimate egalitarian society of perfect equals.

...which didn't happen, of course.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Here's a link

Great discussion with Stephan and the Venus Project on the theories involved. There are differences in thinking but also a lot of agreements on the flaws of the current system. I really enjoyed listening to this very respectful educated discussion. Bravo..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjwBZjADiM&feature=related

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Zeitgeist

...is just a collectivist society run by a computer. But who programs the computer?

Freedom and liberty is the solution which means that if people want to be dictated by people through a computer then they are free to choose that.

I would choose differently.

whenever i see a zeitgeist movie

All i can hear is Cartman yelling, god d*mn hippies. For as wonderfully enlighting and informative as they are, they are also extremely misguided, misleading and unrealistic. These movies are the hippie vision of one world government.

Seriously ,zeitgeist is such an ignorant perspective

I hate that movie...in 2008 I was campaigning for Ron Paul and some other ron paul voter was stupid enough to try and tell me that "all religions are evil"...I told him to shove it cause I have my own faith beliefs,and I dont buy into that garbage. For one thing, zeitgeist is made by some uknown person that Im aware.....and also it attacks religions ESPECIALLY christianity. I have no respect for that movie.It assumes christians like myself out to be stupid sheep..

Haha...

Spot on. Hippies on MASSIVE amounts of acid. :)

"Look dude! A massive armada of easter bunnies and multi-colored unicorns are bringing the Earth infinite amounts of perpetual motion machines and worker drones! Now we can sit around and smoke doobs, eat cheetos, guzzle mountain dew and play guitar all day! :D "

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Zeitgeist


The Zeitgeist documentaries are very thoughtful and brilliantly done.

It always amazes me that some people could possibly knock them. I've always wanted to see educational tools that revealed the hypocrisy and oppression of War, Religion, and Central Bank Monopolies -- probably the three biggest Evils known to society -- which impede peace, learning, economic survival, and that create the most misery and dispair in life.

The problem with "pure capitalism" is that all the decisions and goals are always about money itself, share-holders profits, dog-eating-dog, getting rich -- and the quality of our life, the excellance of things, basic humanity, and nurturing the spirit are always non-considerations, or at best very low-priority.

If we lived in a World where the accumulation of money was not necessary in the first place -- because Life Systems were created which were designed to be self-sustaining and freely available -- then all of mankind could devote its efforts on the pursuit of joy, music, art, learning, loving, and technology-in-a-responsible-way.

Abraham Lincoln recognized this when he took on the Bankers:

"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people. The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy.

The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency. Creating and issuing money is the supreme prerogative of government and is its greatest creative opportunity. Adopting these principles will save the taxpayers immense sums of interest, and money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity."

--President Abraham Lincoln

you are a very subtle troll

you are a very subtle troll libertybaby..

BS...

BS... If everything were freely available there would be nothing produced.

"brilliantly done".......right.

its propaganda is what it is. Its atheist propaganda,and what makes it dangerous is the fact that it asserts all religions to be ignorant and full of stupid people. It also takes the stance that the zeitgeist movie has the absolute truth as if its gospel of the world.....give me a freakin break. Zeitgeist is garbage.

Religion is garbage


Religion is garbage (and propaganda).
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"I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature. It has made one half the world fools, the other half hypocrites."
--Thomas Jefferson

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."
--Adams in The Jefferson-Adams letters

"The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion."
--Washington in the Treaty of Tripoli

"The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in place of the sun, and pay him the adoration payed to the sun."
--Thomas Paine

"Selfishness is the only real atheism; aspiration, unselfishness, the only real religion. In our seeking for economic and political progress, we all go up - or else we all go down."
--Franklin D Roosevelt

George Carlin probably said it the best: Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o



The Church was the refuge of civilisation -- how ironic...

For centuries, the Church was the refuge of civilisation--how ironic for those who should condemn it, and religion in general, as being evil.

1,500 years ago, as corrupt men tore at the last pieces of the Roman Empire, the monasteries of St. Benedict defended whatever classical knowledge they had in their possession.

While cities were abandoned and the forests closed in over the fields, driving men into tiny manors where they lived and fought like animals, clergymen traced ancient roads between the monasteries, keeping the last lines of communication open.

Our world-embracing civilisation is entirely built upon the Augustinian model of two cities -- the perfect and the imperfect -- which first defended Western civilisation from total annihilation, and then propelled it to the heights that it is today beginning with, I might add, the Crusades, which widened Europe's vision of the world immeasurably.

A debt of gratitude is still owed to our ancient ancestors for their fidelity to their God and God's children.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

I see your point...

...I've seen all the Zeitgeist movies because they do make you think.

But...

They are essentially advocating communism. Communism hasn't worked anywhere, and it won't work anywhere... no matter what you rename it.

Capitalism has it's faults, but IT WORKS.

The problem is not capitalism. It's a combination of 2 things...

Education
Priorities

For example...

Why are we running through our resources so quickly? Corporate greed. Why is corporate greed allowed to have such an affect on us?

Lack of education.
Improper priorities.

Now, imagine a capitalist society with a well-educated public. Imagine a capitalist society with proper priorities.

We wouldn't be watching American Idol. We wouldn't be buying useless crap just to make us feel good. People would realize that resources are important, and that they shouldn't be squandered.

Look at it this way...

I was alive in the 1960's and 70's. Litter was a big problem back then. I remember driving down the highway, eating fast food on a long trip. When we would get done with our food, we'd throw the trash right out the car window. Everyone did it. (Almost.) The highways were littered with trash everywhere you went.

You don't see that any more. The sides of the highways are almost spotless. Was it because of a law against littering? No. Not really. You can still litter today without getting caught. It's easy to get away with breaking the "no littering" law.

What changed?

People's attitudes. Education. There was a big national campaign talking about litter. They had a commercial that ran so many times I still remember it like it was yesterday with an American Indian with a tear running down his face. If you were alive then, you probably remember it to.

People's attitudes changed toward littering. People's attitudes could change about a lot of things. (Like they are changing regarding gas-guzzling cars today.)

It's all in education and mind set. You don't have to have a communist society for people to change their attitudes. You don't have to force people to act a certain way. You just have to see a problem and figure out a way to fix it as a society through education and a changing of the mindset.

Yes, they advocate marxism

No wonder that in this movie they reject Hayek and Mises.

Can't wait for an other review of Stephan Molyneux.
This new film looks even worse than the older ones.

Yeah I got that vibe as well back in 2008

that the zeitgeist film advocates communism.its a collectivist attack on religion ,and it pretends to be a movie for the good of "freedom " and all people???what a hypocrisy

The BIG problem...

is that there hasn't been anything near real free markets in over 100 years.

What we have now is:

1) A money supply controlled by an elite private few that manipulate the value and volume of the currency to scoop up real wealth (land and resources).

2) Massive regulations that make it incredibly difficult for small and medium businesses to survive while the mega-corps have crawled into bed with the Govt and are writing the laws and regulations.

This paradigm is neither capitalism nor free markets. It is "state capitalism"/fascism.

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exactly weebles..

exactly weebles..

Yes.

Beautifully summarized. Big thumbs up.

You know that you have arrived at truth, or at least are nearing towards it, whenever the simple facts do most/all of the talking.