abolish the Fed - now, ourselves
Submitted by David Merrill on Thu, 08/23/2007 - 14:50I have been explaining redemption of lawful money for quite some time here. Since Ron Paul's attempt to pass legislation to abolish the Fed fail, due to lack of constituency, I really feel it is important to explain how to non-endorse the Fed's private credit.
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_PublicMone...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1054706869308133588
One law student responded to a previous post and it would seem that he was contesting the Congress' definition of "lawful money".
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US v Rickman; 638 F.2d 182
In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money.
and
US v Ware; 608 F.2d 400
United States notes shall be lawful money, and a legal tender in payment of all debts, public and private, within the United States, except for duties on imports and interest on the public debt.
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KPage3 said:
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"We may only redeem federal reserve notes for more of the same
On August 14th, 2007 kpage3 says:
David,
If I understand your post and video correctly, you believe that when 12 U.S.C. § 411 states that Federal Reserve Notes “shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank,†that this means that we can actually redeem our Federal Reserve Notes for something other than more Federal Reserve notes (particularly, United States Notes – though it is my understanding that no United States Notes have been issued since 1971, though I’ll have to check this). As a law student I can assure you that this simply is not the case.
The courts have repeatedly been presented with the argument that Federal Reserve Notes are not “lawful money,†and the courts have summarily rejected the argument.
The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in U.S. v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182 (10th Cir. 1980), stated: "Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, s 8, United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United States v. Ware, 10 Cir., 608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which defendant draws between “lawful money†and “legal tender.†Money is a medium of exchange. Legal tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S.Ct. 407, 79 L.Ed. 885. In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."
The Idaho Court of Appeals in Hearld v. State, 691 P.2d 1255 (Idaho App. 1984), similarly held that “federal reserve notes are legal tender and lawful money of the United States.†The Court continues: “Consistent with the majority of the courts presented with this question, and in view of the tacit approval evidenced by the United States Supreme Court by refusing certiorari of those rulings when review has been requested, we hold that federal reserve notes are lawful money." For additional direction, see also 53A Am. Jur. 2d Money § 7 ("Federal Reserve notes constitute lawful money").
Also, according to 31 U.S.C §§ 5118(b) & 5119(a), the United States government is statutorily prohibited from paying out any gold coin. The Secretary of the Treasury cannot redeem United States currency in gold, except to the extent authorized in regulations approved by the President.
Sadly, we may only legally redeem our Federal Reserve Notes for more Federal Reserve Notes. Don’t you just love your government?!
Regards,
kpage3"
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This seems in error more than attorney sophistry, being that Kpage3 is a law student yet. But the mistake is that he allows the court system to be defining lawful money by opinion. Note with Rickman:
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"In the exercise of that power [to define lawful money] Congress has declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."
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The US Supreme Court's definition of money simply does not matter. It is the Congress that sets the definition of money according to the Constitution. I wish I had thought to approach the debate so simply back on the 14th.
Regards,
David Merrill.
















Pay-off the 9 Trillion?
Greetings,
Hello, I been reading some on this issue on another thread and have also checked the public money file and I have a few questions at the moment if its possible. Firstly, the premise is, as I understand it after reading the exerpts to the Rickman and the Ware cases respectively, is that USNotes were never repealed and are still lawful money. However they were just dis-continued in printing in 1971. So now United States notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve notes according to the Treasury.govs FAQ's.on Legal Tender. According to this, if their were USNotes, they would be in the form of Fed. Reserve Notes.
With The conclusion being the only difference between Federal Reserve Notes and USNotes are the voluntary endorsement or non-endorsement of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors Credit offer that is ones paycheck? An exercise thereof of ones right to contract?
If thats the premise, this is probably a pretty important issue which will have to be addressed if lawful money is ever to return. Its the peoples choice if its upto individual contracts. That picture just became clear to me, what a interesting situation. I see the reasoning, the legislation Dr.Paul tries to pass is receiving no support by the other representatives (among other things probably) because the other representatives see the people endorsing the Federal Reserve Credit which tells them its what the people want.
If USNotes are redeemed then the banks could no longer fractionalize the debt because of the Constitution. One last thing, It just came to me. I was to ask about the National Debt then I began to think of the withholdings from the paychecks. Would this make the withholdings lawful money and therefore able to pay down the National Debt? Because otherwise it shouldn't be withheld, or one would get a full return at least.
Thank you for your time, take care
Matthew Duane
Plain English pays off!
Correct.
Our law student should focus on this case and Shepardize it for amendments or repeal:
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_juliard.jpg
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"...providing that notes of the United States... shall be reissued and kept in circulation..."
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The law at Title 12 U.S.C. §411 and the courts acknowledge that FRNs are redeemable in lawful money and the Congress defines lawful money to be US notes. Federal Reserve Notes are redeemable in US notes. However since the two currencies only have one difference - FRNs are elastic (fractional lending) and USNs are not; the Treasury saw fit to continue issuing USNs in the form of FRNs basically on the presumption we all want to be part of banking - engaging in the private credit of the Fed.
In other words, FRNs are stock certificates that are by design devaluing (inflation due to fractionalizing, and of course as of August 13 for example [ http://www.suijuris.net/forum/attachments/end-days-america/3... ] large injections of "liquidity" to stabilize China's lack of confidence in the dollar). So one should ask why invest? The presumption is that you are profiting somehow and that means that you are a private bank inside the game. But you are not, are you? You are not bringing in any income by lending and fractionalizing, are you?
Regards,
David Merrill.
P.S. Technically it is called a Refund, not the Return. This fellow is a state employee and he got two years Refund for simply starting to non-endorse based on a good faith argument:
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"If I had known in good faith that I had the option to handle lawful money, I would have done so from my first paycheck ever."
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http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_affidavit_...
Of course this benefit of not endorsing private credit is what has Sarcasmo in fits about my video. I come across it all the time. - Like the comicstrip Wizard of Id - the fellow shackled against the wall and when he sees the freeman walking by instead of inquiring how to get free, he calls for the guard to chain the freeman up too. It is kind of sad.
sheeple-bankers!
Of course if you are one of the millions of sheeple-bankers who blindly endorses private credit from the Fed by signing the back of your paychecks, Signature Cards or electronic deposit, then you should not be on this forum pretending to support Ron Paul in the first place:
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showpost.php?p=708229&postcou...
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_PublicMone...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1054706869308133588
Regards,
David Merrill.
Just wondering
Mr. merrill I would like to ask you how do you sign the back of your pay check.
cash checks?
I advise people to use the verbiage on my video because it gets the job done. I would probably use:
"Redeemed in lawful money pursuant to Title 12 U.S.C. 411"
Recently new suitors filing Libel of Review write that on the Withdrawal Slip on their way to the US courthouse and put a copy into the counterclaim.
I just tell people to give me cash but in my mind they are giving me US notes in the form of FRNs. - Lawful money.
Regards,
David Merrill.
In *my* mind...
The entire female cast of Baywatch is surrounding me and...Nevermind.
But it's equally likely to happen as confusing bank-tellers & then not-voting for Ron Paul is to get Dr. Paul elected President...Once again, this person DOES NOT INTEND TO VOTE. It's not a recipe for effective political change, because people will and do see it as nutty. Please DON'T waste your time on this.
JMR
your presumption...
Dear Sarcasmo;
You have already announced your intentions regarding this. Mainly that you dismissed the article in my video as nonsense because I used a computer generated voice for the audio.
It is a lack of constituency, and people like you endorsing private credit from the Fed while being hypocrites by saying they do not like the Fed, that is causing Ron Paul to look "nutty" - as you put it. I have linked his two flopped bills to abolish the Fed. When representatives in Congress keep beating their heads against the wall like that, they come off to the other congresspersons as flakey.
As far as confused bank tellers go; that is nothing to you anyway. By imploring the members to keep on endorsing the Fed by signature, by pleading they not confuse a few bank tellers, you are simply begging the question:
"What is it to you Sarcasmo?"
Your participation in alternative elastic currencies like e-gold has established why you are so against my efforts at edifying the members here that we can abolish the Fed ourselves while establishing a constituency for future attempts made by congressman Ron Paul.
Thank you for that.
Regards,
David Merrill.
You have 0 proof
That e-gold (you're obsessed, as I already said, and once-again my proof is that it's YOU who first mentioned it!) is in any way "elastic." It's not, as usual you're wrong about e-gold, just as you've been every time you make these guesses about it.
And I stand by my words that you won't vote for Dr. Paul, you're the one who admitted it, and now I just have to keep-admitting it for you, like I have to keep pasting in:
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0608b.asp
to warn people about this weird and non-working idea that WILL NOT GET RON PAUL ELECTED, PERIOD.
JMR
e-gold not elastic??
E-gold is virtual until redeemed and like I said it is a run on the bank waiting to happen. You have admitted that any causes related to e-gold are subject to the gold being seized pre-trial and that you yourself have very little confidence in it. The conversion of e-gold is private credit - US dollars and typically in the form of FRNs - elastic currency, so there.
I am not obsessed with e-gold; I simply explain why you are so obsessed with people abolishing the Fed (ourselves). You are part of a pyramid scheme depending on the Fed staying in operation - e-gold.
"...and now I just have to keep-admitting it for you, like I have to keep pasting in:"
Which is why I keep explaining your motivation in doing so. Of the two of us, your obsession with me and redeeming lawful money is much more pronounced. I do not expect the members here to believe that you are so concerned about a few confused tellers. And regarding that link, here is the opening paragraph:
"For many opponents of the income tax the name Brushaber is magical. It comes from Frank R. Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Co., the 1916 U.S. Supreme Court case that upheld the 1913 income-tax law passed under the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. That income-tax opponents would look with favor on a Supreme Court opinion that affirmed, in the most sweeping terms, Congress’s power to tax incomes “from whatever source derived†seems incomprehensible. But according to their reading of the case, Brushaber is salvation."
Redeeming lawful money has nothing to do with the article.
Regards,
David Merrill.
Excuse me?
With all due respect...
...who do you think you are to post a lengthy message pushing your personal agenda (not Dr. Paul's), then bump it with a comment stating that we are pretending to be Dr. Paul supporters?
Your own comment does yourself a disservice. In other words, your insult will not help your cause.
Just because I use a bank that is part of the Fed to take care of my financial responsibilities at this time in my life (as most American's do) does not mean that I am pretending to support Dr. Paul.
I strongly suggest you stop pushing your personal agenda here, stop insulting those of us that do support Dr. Paul, and start gathering more supporters.
Don't bother responding, because I am done reading this thread, and will seriously consider never reading another thread originated by your user name.
very good
But I will respond anyway - for Sarcasmo's sake if nothing else. [He continues to misapply Internet articles about tax evasion to the concept of endorsing private credit from the Fed.]
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"...who do you think you are to post a lengthy message pushing your personal agenda (not Dr. Paul's), then bump it with a comment stating that we are pretending to be Dr. Paul supporters?"
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Abolishing the Fed is very much Ron Paul's agenda and if you continue to endorse private credit from the Fed, you are not Ron Paul's constituent.
Read the flopped bills for yourself:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c108query.html
Search for "HR 2778"
and
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c110query.html
Search for "HR 2755"
Both of these bills were a waste of Ron Paul's time and paper because he presumed that people out there, his constituency wanted to abolish the Fed too. He is wrong. You are the sheeple/chattel you despise if you will not educate yourselves about redeeming lawful money. If you sign a contract of endorsement in supporting the Fed and its private credit system of "elastic currency" then you do not do any good with your lip service to the contrary.
Regards,
David Merrill.
He has already admitted
That he's NOT going to vote, for Dr. Paul or anyone else. Apparently, that's a part of his legal strategy.
JMR
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0608b.asp
Courtcases and legal
Courtcases and legal mumbo-jumbo notwithstanding, the Constitution uses quite plain language on the issue of legal money:
Sec. 10. (I) No State shall enter into any treaty, alliance,
or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin
money; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in
payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, or ex post facto
law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts; or grant any
title of nobility.
This is also affirmed in California's own constitution, thusly:
Constitution of the State of California (1849) Article IV Sec. 34, "...for the deposit of gold and silver, but no such association shall make, issue, or put into circulation, any bill, check, ticket, certificate, promissory note, or other paper, or the paper of any bank, to circulate as money" and Article IV Sec. 35 "The legislature of this state shall prohibit, by law, any person or persons, association, company or corporation from exercising the privileges of banking, or creating paper to circulate as money."
www.paulforronpaul.com
maybe a little explanation...
You seem to insinuate that gold and silver are involved and that is no longer how the Congress defines lawful money. Not since 1861 or so.
Regards,
David Merrill.
War and Emergency Powers
That does not apply during an emergency.
Regards,
David Merrill.
Mr. Merrill
I have a question, and would appreciate your response, but also your patience. I am very ignorant in this area, but very interested. Also, I DO support Ron Paul, and it is an insult to hear you say otherwise. I am spreading the word as much as possible, and to each his own. By that I mean that each one of us contains our own knowledge and passions, and many of us are constantly striving to learn new things in hopes of bettering ourselves, our families, and our children, and by doing so hoping that perhaps, somehow we can better our country. That being said, how do you surpass a bank backed by the fed? Perhaps you have some links that would explain it to me in layman's terms. As I said, I am new to this. Also, is gold and silver a safe investment in your opinion? I have never considered this until recently. Thanks in advance.
"Dreamers have the advantage of envisioning considerable desires." A.R.D.
Dreamers have the advantage of envisioning considerable desires. - A.R.D.
some links
I discovered the article in my video on GoldisMoney.
http://goldismoney.info/forums/t18505-the-american-people-ca...
be the bank...
Title 12 U.S.C. §411 is remedy but it is designed for banks. From that perspective, this will make a lot more sense.
http://Friends-n-Family-Research.info/FFR/Merrill_Story_of_M...
As 10% more bills cash are generated on each loan, we find exactly what we would expect - devaluation. Federal Reserve Bank notes were retired in 1945 and replaced as stock certificates in the Fed by Federal Reserve Notes.
http://www.friesian.com/notes.htm
Note this case talks of FRBNs in 1971 - so I imagine the fellow may have had very old notes from pre-1945 but I doubt that.
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_public_mon...
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_public_mon...
The Court was talking about an average Joe, "although entitled to redeem his note..." who was redeeming FRNs, not FRBNs. FRNs are effectively stock certificates for the private Fed and the only thing making the Fed an instrumentality of the US, as opposed to a private corporation is that the stock certificates are designed to devalue. - Imagine the folly of saving your FRNs in hopes of buying more for the buck later...
That is where I encourage you to focus if you care to understand.
Why in the world would you be purchasing a stock item with your labor that devalues in time? Answer: Because your endorsement means in good faith you actually desire to be a banker.
You are expected to be gaining and profiting from fractional lending. Are you? Obviously not. You are not lending money and raking in money hand over fist because you have the FDIC to cover a run on you - the bank, do you? You have been fooled and conditioned into requesting the same exact private credit from the Fed that "real" banks do. - Except you do not get the advantage of passing the bond onto others like Congress does by raising the debt ceiling.*
The objective of bumping the thread with an insult to your conditioning has paid off well. By endorsing the private credit from the Fed, you are working against the efforts of Ron Paul in Congress with the two bills mentioned. Thanks for your post.
Regards,
David Merrill.
* That is a fun item in conversation with "suitors" who understand. Mark up the 1040 accordingly and simply raise your personal debt ceiling instead of paying up the Return of Income. But of course - redeeming lawful money is much safer.