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The superior firepower of Lewis and Clark

The superior firepower of Lewis and Clark. They had an air rifle that apparently intimidated anyone from attacking them.

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Guess I gotta say it.....

This video is about a dang powerful AIR RIFLE FROM THE 1700's.....

If they could do this then, what can we do now?

Anyone here know about this stuff?

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What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Time to break Ole Betsy out of the closet.....

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Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

I want an 18th century air

I want an 18th century air gun!

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Interesting take on Lewis and Clark

I think he borders on overstating the importance of weaponry to the Lewis and Clark expedition. In the book "Undaunted Courage," Ambrose points out how the expedition went out of their way to avoid provoking or being provoked by the Indians. They were very sucessful peaceful ambassadors.

I cannot dispute that projecting strength was an element of their strategy, but I doubt that is the only thing, or even the main thing, that kept them safe for 3 years.

A few years later

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In the book "Undaunted Courage," Ambrose points out how the expedition went out of their way to avoid provoking or being provoked by the Indians. They were very sucessful peaceful ambassadors.

A few years later the US slaughtered them. They were basically casing the joint. That is genocide, just like in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Live Free Or Die

Peace thru superior fire power

Peace thru superior fire power, kinda like the ole sayin, "Might makes right...."

And that's what were all up against these daze.

If men fail to learn from history past, they are doomed to repeat it.....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Pretty interesting.

I had no idea they had such effective air guns back then. Or was their effectiveness part of the ruse? We don't seem to have any air rifles that are very effective today, so it makes me wonder.

Are there really no modern

Are there really no modern air riffles besides a kids BB gun?

Well, there are adult air guns.

But most the ones I've come across are even less powerful than a little .22 rifle, one of the smallest cartridges, mostly used for target practice or hunting small animals. Maybe there are some custom or expensive ones out there.

There must be some reason air rifles did not see more use. If they were as great and effective as this guy in the video seems to claim, then why were they never widely adopted?

A quick search shows that even current air guns don't really compare to gunpowder. Here's one that claims, "Power like you've never experienced before in an airgun!"

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/big-bore-909s-sam-yang.shtml

It's actually a .45 caliber rifle and propels a 200 grain bullet at 600 fps for 160 ft-lbs of energy on the first shot. It costs $600. That is a very powerful and expensive air gun. But it doesn't even come close to comparing to a rifle using gunpowder.

You're right

Modern air guns cannot compare with a modern rifle using gunpowder.

The power of air gun Lewis and Clark used was closer to the black powder muzzle loaders of their day. It had one big advantage: it could be reloaded and fired many times faster than a gunpowder muzzle loader. If the story is correct, it could fire 22 bullets per minute, versus 4 per minute with a muzzle loader.

I think that rifle was more of a gimmick.

If we consider the improvements in firearms and manufacturing, then we must also consider the same improvements in air guns. The air gun I posted above starts out with 60 more ft-lbs of energy than a standard .22 rifle cartridge, but by the fifth shot, it has even less energy than a .22 rifle.

I think the significance of this rifle is being exaggerated in the video. It was probably useful for demonstrations, but I doubt it would be very effective in combat.

I agree

While the weapon may have seemed impressive at the time, it was not weaponry that made Lewis and Clark's trip safe. What they excelled at was defusing tense situations diplomatically. I believe there was only one incident in which they came close to firing upon Indians in the Pacific Northwest, and that was over some petty pilfering (if I recall correctly). Otherwise, they were absolutly adamant that they not act aggressively.