Should the campaign keep the $500?
Submitted by howard722 on Thu, 12/20/2007 - 07:30
The Daily Buzz morning show has a poll on if Ron Paul should keep the $500 from the supremist. The poll is on the bottom right:
http://dailybuzz.tv/
You can also send them "Your 2 cents" about this on the left side of the web page.
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Ok
Here is the senerio.
You own an resurant, now through out your day you have thousands of customers. At the end of the day you find out who your customers are. Some are military, cops,some are church goers, some are family, and friends, and one is a white supremist. After they all paid for their meal, who would you return there money too? Now my money to Dr. Paul is not a donation, it a paid service for being my vioce.
Me, I'de give the military a complimentary meal. How about you?
"The $500.00" Integrity + Honor + Reason = Ron Paul
One man's opinion: Absolutely Keep It! This man Dr. Ron Paul is incredible!
I'm driving home from work, and Medved is addressing the Ron Paul $500.00. he goes on and on about how the right thing would be for Ron Paul to return it. He attacks Ron Paul for keeping it adnauseum.
The news registers and all of a sudden for me it feels like the bottom of the ninth, two outs, batter has taken two called curve ball strikes (umpire is MSM) no balls, the score is 1984 to 1776 , Ron is at the plate, the next pitch is right down the middle 109 mph, and yeah! --he hits the ball so hard that it ignites leaving the park for a grand slam home run and that feat ignites the rest of his team (you) and you keep hitting, rallying until the final score is Liberty 2008 to Tyranny 1984. (The rules, sort of like the electoral college gave the winning team an additional 24 runs).
Can you imagine what our country would be like in 1 year if even 1% of our so called elected representatives (they have been sent Wakeup calls) found the integrity, courage, and intellect and zest for liberty and freedom, prosperity, and peace that this "Man for All Season" Dr. Ron Paul has, and continues to concretely project and define so bravely, resolutely, succinctly, and logically. I can imagine it! I shall not waver in my support for this man, he has with reason, courage, and integrity awakened me, shocked me out of my cynical pessimistic political world of disgust where I have spent so many years among sheep not doing anything more than weakly bleating and whining in protest as freedom, liberty, individualism, and The Constitution, and the future of my children and theirs has been blatantly and or esoterically (whatever it takes -right?) and systematically weakened, purloined, and then arrogantly trampled upon. Six months ago this man somehow through tenacity and brilliance finds a way to reach me and I dare to act, then I look around and lo and behold there are thousands who have also stepped forward, then hundreds of thousands more awaken and find in his strength and leadership the courage to stand up and say the subjection and suppression of our natural born rights must be restored and we will never again allow such to be trampled upon. He unequivocally says our Constitution is the greatest document ever fought for, formed and enacted by a liberty loving people in the evolution of freedom and liberty and "common sense" --and he has done it for years, and has not backed down. I for one say I am bursting with pride just knowing that I have lived long enough to see this man, and those of you who support him as you do. I thank you all! Go Ron! Stay Strong. Keep The $500.00 I'll match it the next time Trevor lights a fuse.
Ron Paul is not a fascist, a racist, a tyrant -neither am I.
of course he should keep it
Better the rEVOLution spend that $500 than it be spent spreading more of Stormfront's psychotic ideals.
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Keep It
That way the damn fool has $500 less to spend on his agenda.
THere is apparently a picture
Of RP and This Don Black Character, taken at the value voters debate - a typical photo - op thing, easily explained, but it will be a pain in the A$$
Dr. Paul has spent it.
What's the issue?
Money doesn't grow on trees
I'd pay the bills with it.
-dave
"She's lower than the lowest whore outside the Holland Tunnel at 3am in fishnet stockings." - Michael Savage in reference to Dianne Sawyer
David Burns
Simi Valley, CA
Absolutely
That $500 is spent. I don't want Dr. Paul to give that guy one penny of my money!!!
In Liberty's Cause
yes and spend it for good things like getten Dr Paul elected
I would never give it back it's not illegal to accept the donations he didn't ask for it it was donated its not something illegal Like what norman shue did a criminal on the run raising millions and taking photos with presidential cannidates
As far as I know, there have
As far as I know, there have been no African-American organizations who have come out and said anything about this. Sounds like a bunch of 'white guilt' being spilled by the media. It's all noise.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I agree with Ron, Keep It
Mr. Black did an interview where he said he does not know Dr. Paul personally and knows that Dr. Paul is NOT a white supremacist. He stated he supports Dr. Paul's small government, immigration and Foreign policies.
Now the letter that Bill White wrote, that totally confuses me. I also wish that Mr. Gray in Utah had not shown support, even after posting he wanted the group to endorse Mitt Romney.
Should Government keep
Should Government keep contributions (taxes) from White Supremacists? If not, should people that received that money such as for welfare, disability, unemployment, etc give it back?
"Should Government keep
"Should Government keep contributions (taxes) from White Supremacists? If not, should people that received that money such as for welfare, disability, unemployment, etc give it back?"
I'd love to see Ron toss that back into Russert's foxhole.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I agree with Ron's comment
I agree with Ron's comment that screening every donor is an impossibility, and that "returning" money would be purely symbolic pandering. I really enjoyed Ron ripping Neil Cavuto a new one over this.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
The only ideal intrinsic to money
is Capitalism.
Keep it. Spend it on anti-racism commercials.
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Ban Everything
Ban Everything
Yes! Nuf Said.! I believe
Yes! Nuf Said.!
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson
“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
-Sam Adams
Yes Keep It
This is Amercia - we must tolerate the obnoxious groups/indivduals to mainatin our liberty.
Paul will spend it better that they would have - KEEP IT
Liberty = Responsibility
Liberty = Responsibility
Ron Paul answered this on the PBS special
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UBMO9XPec
Peace,
Adam
Peace,
Adam
For the long version, skip
For the long version, skip to 0:42 on this video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t9Er4FHgvZo
Peace,
Adam
Peace,
Adam
OUTSTANDING ANSWERE
From the Good Doctor. Knocked it out of the park.
A good example of individual liberty and property
Dr. Paul has said he defends our liberties, although he does not necessarily agree with everyone's choices. Rule of law means if you did not break a law, you're a free citizen. If accused of breaking a law, you're innocent 'til proven guilty. Free society has no 'thought police.' So, if a donor gives $$ to the campaign, and has broken no law, then he is a free citizen, and there is no crime.
Is the donor being accused of commiting some crime? If so, the news reporter should say so. But, the first amendment to free speech and free religion is really, probably, 'freedom to think'. Thinking, believing, is not a crime.
We can use this as an excellent example of rule of law. Agree? Did I say this right? I'm new at this stuff.
Not only that..
Not only should he keep it, but he should not even respond to suggestions that he give it back, and neither should we.
I mean, if he has to do that, what about Hillary returning all HER illegal donations from aliens and Chinese nationals, and the racist group LaRAZA?
At least this donation was not illegal. Thank goodness he stood up to them on this.
Keep it
Unless RP wrote a check out of his personal checking account, he should keep it. Taking $500 now out of the campaign funds would be using other donors money who contributed specifically to the campaign.
Has anyone read the news story of how the RP campaign discovered multicharges on a credit card in the amount of $3K. Note that the campaign discovered this and they promptly refunded it..However, the newsmedia HID the story in the back pages. I guess they didn't want to see RP get an integrity bump for his honesty.
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison
it was the alex jones over limit contribution
& it was returned..everytime i come to this page i get trojan vundo virus.. & then a wonderful little irritating strobe.pops up for a free virus scan..wonder where virus came from.. foxnews probably
randy n.
I like the idea of using the mone for an anti racism commerical!
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A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
~Mahatma Gandhi
The Fact That It Was Given is the Problem
The political damage from something like this is not in what you do with the money. It's in the fact that a white supremicist liked you enough to send you $500. The negative is that the media tries to paint any candidate who is supported by unsavory characters as guilty by association.
I think Dr. Paul has explained himself well on why he won't return the money. Why give money back to a racist so that they can use it in promoting racism, when it can be put to a good use with the campaign?
He has stated publically that he won't give it back, and there is no sense in flip flopping now. Plus I think giving the money back to that guy would be the wrong thing to do.
Does it matter?
I don't think it matters what we think, Dr. Paul is going to do what he believes is right. He's not being drastic, but neither is he letting pressure compromise his decisions. Keeping the money despite media pressure is a representation that he won't sacrifice either his positions or honor once he is elected.
It only makes me respect him more.
It only matters..
If you think that the government or the law should be able to outlaw a person's thoughts and opinions. I would HOPE that is not what you think!
As long as this guy hasn't done anything illegal, or violent, etc, WHO ARE WE TO cast a stone? Does everything you think pass the purity test?
Of Course!
Of course the campaign should keep the money. Stop and think for a moment.
1. How did the media find out who this guy is? I never heard of him. Dr. Paul never heard of him. Is this a set up, either by the media, or one of the other candidates?
2. Is there any way for a campaign of this magnitude to screen donors to determine whether or not to accept money from them?
3. I wonder if this is really taxpayers money. It seems that most of the hate groups are led by some whacko on the government payroll. Maybe the question we should be asking is, is this guy a "federal informant"?
4. Considering the money and free publicity the other candidates are getting from members of the Council on Foreign Relations, which much more dangerous to our nation than this Stotmfront group, should the other candidates give those donations back?
The message of Ron Paul appeals to all kinds of people, because we all crave freedom. Ron Paul's message brings people together. It is the other candidates who divide people.
If this guy is dumb enough to donate $500 to a candidate who is obviously working in opposition to the goals of the Stormfront group, that's his problem. But I suspect that there is more to it than that. I think that someone put him up to it. Either someone in the media, another candidate, or one of our public servants.
Keep It!
The IRS (Government) takes money from this guy. Does that mean that all Americans are racist? This is dumb. Having that money out of the hands of a racist is a good thing.
Roger Hermann
Chicago, IL
Roger Hermann
Chicago, IL