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I believe this site is no race, creed, religion, or whatever the hell you are, you are welcome as long as you believe in liberty

That is my stance, and the picking people apart for their beliefs, their preferences in how they live, and the like will not be considered as long as they believe in freedom and individual liberty. This is the site of nonjudgement, but not the site of agreement, because disagreement is what we need to refine ourselves. I write this in hopes we will learn to bypass some of our differences in the sense of things that don't matter in the sense of liberty. Grammar perfection belongs in a classroom, not a r3VOLution, and how we live personally, if it does not effect our lives on a national level is irrelevant. I really hope we can learn to appreciate eachother's weaknesses and strengths a little better here. This site is the place to grow, not a place to fight. It is a place to disagree sometimes and hopefully agree more than we disagree. Above all, keep up the great work!!!! I feel like I can post more now because I donated my $100 to Michael yesterday, so watch out. LOL.

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It's a great thought, and the way it should be..

but the fact is..there is a vocal MINORITY, who will not rest until they get their way across the board. Liberty for them is a great thing..as long as it agrees with their beliefs or non beliefs. Anyone who thinks or believes differently is obviously substandard and doesn't deserve "liberty". Just a simple fact of life I have learned. Pretty heartbreaking if you ask me.

But as for your post...very positive and much appreciated. Take care.

Even if you are a Gary Johnson supporter who....

(I'm being very specific here, but as a rhetorical question...)

....who tries to undermine Dr. Paul's presidential campaign because you support Gary Johnson's presidential campaign?

I know not all Gary Johnson supporters do that. I'm sure most don't. But SOME do.

I don't think that would be appropriate for the Daily PAUL.

Of course, that's my own opinion and it's not my site.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable though, so hold the tomato throwing, ok?

freedom brings people together

Defend Liberty!

2012

Other traditions value peace also...

Weapons are the tools of violence;
all decent men detest them.

Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?

He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,

as if he were attending a funeral.

Tao Te Ching

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

the slippery definition of "liberty"...

everybody has their own. Mitt Romney gets upon the stage and talks about protecting "freedom"... yet he'd put that guy in the wheelchair in jail in a heartbeat for using medical marijuana.

Others think we must protect our freedom from terrorism by taking our freedom and privacy through the (un)Patriot Act.

Even here, the supposed bastion of freedom, folks believe you shouldn't have the freedom to remove a one hour old egg from your belly, or circumcise your newborn. Force of law is needed here.

So... I'm welcome here as long as I believe in liberty, but what IS the definition of "liberty"? Mitt thinks his liberty is the right one. Hannity does too. So do all of us, but we can't ALL be right. Who's right and who's wrong?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

We can talk negative/positive rights all day long

What it comes down to is convincing people, giving them a reason why they should believe what we want them to believe.

Question?

I understand what you are saying and think it is a good idea.

I do have a question though.

Do other religions beside Christians understand what liberty is?

Not to be funny, but seriously, I wonder what the take on 'liberty' is from another tradition or traditions.

Moreover, do Christians or even Atheists even know what liberty is or its origins?

donvino

Freedom is inherent, liberty

Freedom is inherent, liberty is granted.

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That is interesting ...thanks.

donvino

I'm an atheist

I feel like the motto "do what you like as long as you do not take from others" is a good one to follow, and isn't restricted to people who believe in God.

I may not agree with most of you all of the time....

but for the most part liberty, freedom, and our country is why I joined the Daily Paul. A lot of people do not agree with my stance on immigration, but by God, I will not have others that do not belong here legally, and within our Constitional guidelines to reap benefits from our country, or the funds I as American have paid into. Some of you oppose my view, and that is okay, but don't make me, and those of us that feel the same way pay for those that should not be here. I am not racist, I am a Constitutionalist, I am an ex-military soldier, a taxpayer, and come from a long line of American family members that have worked hard to make this nation what it is, and I will not have others from other nations come here and take what is not theirs. I am also a person that cares about people, I am more than willing to help folks that have come to our nation as a way out of a bad situation in their homeland, and am willing to feed them, clothe, and help with whatever I can do, but please do not come to my country and reap benefits that have been set aside for American born citizens, and expect us to take care of you, and all your illegal children.

First of all, tog you crack me up. Great post!

Re "illegal" immigration, do you really expect people from countries that we bombed the crap out of for decades or foisted puppet dictators upon and then used guns we sold them to suppress their own people or rigged elections with "business friendly" candidates who then commandeered the rape and pillage of their ecologies and economies or monopolized the drug trade by enforcing victimless "drug crimes" via our sham of a judicial system to not come here and extract some "revenge" in the form of handouts and freebies? Heck, I hardly blame them, since the people who are paying their way are the same "We The People" who allowed the UNITED STATES© to commit these atrocities in the first place. It almost seems like justice when you think of it that way...

How about "We The People" stop allowing our "leaders" to milk us dry? How about we stop feeding the beast and start to starve it out of existence (or at least down to Articles of Confederation levels)? Then we wouldn't need to worry about "illegals" coming here to spend money in the American economy, IMHO.

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It always saddens and amazes me when

a very positive OP gets a very negative response such as yours.

I take this approach all the

I take this approach all the time when talking to die-hard progressives.

So what if they believe that there's a role for the FDA, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.? If I can get progressives to vote for Ron Paul only because they strongly believe in a couple of his positions, then that's enough.

TOG, so you bought a voice?

LOL I agree. We certainly are a motley bunch, aren't we? But, I hope we have one thing in common and that is our desire to be free. Live and let live.

As an educator I tend to be one of the grammar police! LOL It "affects" our lives, not "effects." Effect is a noun and affect is a verb. :) Don't ask me in Spanish, though. My Spanish grammar is so embarrassing!

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

The 100 I gave Michael is only worth anything

if he spends it fast!!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

If the neocons affect or effect my liberty

they need to go, that is all I have to say, LOL. Keep up the great work Healthnut4freedom. If everyone was bad at grammar but great in liberty, it would be a great world.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!