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Why the Evil Koch Brothers Must Be Stopped: They Support Drug Legalization, Gay Marriage, Reduced Defense Spending

This is currently tearing up the Reddit "politics" subsection.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/frrth/stop_the_koc...

An excerpt:

~~The KOCH brothers must be stopped. They gave $40K to Scott Walker, the MAX allowed by state law. That's small potatoes compared to the $100+ million they give to other organizations. These organizations will terrify you. If the anti-union thing weren't enough, here are bigger and better reasons to stop the evil Kochs. They are trying to:

1. decriminalize drugs,
2. legalize gay marriage,
3. repeal the Patriot Act,
4. end the police state,
5. cut defense spending.

Who hates the police? Only the criminals using drugs, amirite? We need the Patriot Act to allow government to go through our emails and tap our phones to catch people who smoke marijuana and put them in prison. Oh, it's also good for terrorists......Contd.~~

I'd post more but what with Righthaven prowling around the nets and all....

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Murray Rothbard on the Kochtopus

The influence of Charles and David Koch on the Tea Party Movement and their connections with the Governor of Wisconsin have been much in the news lately. The efforts of the Kochs to gain political influence began long ago; and students of what Sam Konkin aptly called the Kochtopus will inevitably be reminded of the Koch brothers’ involvement in Ed Clark’s campaign for President on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1980. Indeed, David Koch was Clark’s running mate; his being on the ticket freed him from the monetary limits normally imposed on donors. Differences of opinion on the campaign, among other matters, led to a breach between the Kochs and Murray Rothbard. For understanding that breach, we have an invaluable tool. Rothbard wrote about the conflict numerous times in Libertarian Forum, a newsletter that he edited from 1969 to 1984.

Continue: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon86.1.html

Libertarians love

Libertarians love in-fighting.

At the same time, this site continues to put up Kucinich as a "similar peer" to Ron Paul, because he is anti-war.

Even Ron Paul is gracious to Kucinich, but let's be honest -

He advocates as many socialist tenents as he does liberty, but there's little to nary a whimper as to how "evil" Kucinich is.

Many on this site are blinded by petty allegiances and ridiculous loyalties, at the expense of basic individual liberty.

Koch Bros need more investgation before accepting as fact that they are pro-legalization, anti-Patriot Act, and ending Police-state laws, but if true (IF), certainly seems something I can forgive a quarrel with Lew Rockwell for...(and I like Lew).

A little history, anyone?

The "Kochtopus" is a derogatory name coined by the late Samuel Edward Konkin, III, an anarcho-libertarian, for the group of libertarian organizations funded by billionaire Charles Koch. (Konkin, a gifted wordsmith, also is responsible for the term "minarchism" for the libertarian view that accepts a minimal state.) Murray Rothbard often used this term when referring to organizations within the Koch ambit, with the Cato Institute foremost among them. To say the least, Rothbard's enthusiasm for Cato was not unbounded; and employees of the Kochtopus often treat Rothbard with hostility and contempt. Further, the Kochtopus has displayed unremitting hostility toward the organization with which Rothbard was associated from 1982 until his death in 1995, the Ludwig von Mises Institute.
Someone acquainted only with these facts would never suspect that Rothbard was a principal founder of Cato ...
Like Rothbard, Ron Paul is a man of principle and would not compromise on his advocacy of the gold standard and opposition to the Federal Reserve System. Charles Koch did not want this: such measures would hardly help him gain influence with the Republican Party, to which, if I am not mistaken, he and his brother are the largest private contributors.
Further, Dr. Paul would have no part of Koch's efforts to have the CSE, beneath free market rhetoric, lobby to promote legislation beneficial to his business interests. It should come as no surprise that Matt Welch, the new editor of Reason, has published a viciously negative piece against Rockwell and Ron Paul. Koch is a large funder of the magazine, and, as Murray Rothbard learned to his cost, he expects those he funds to obey his dictates.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon37.html

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

LMAO

You are nutz.
Yes they disagree with RP and MR so what?
Not much liberty in silencing everyone you disagree with....
I bet 1000 dollars RP agrees with the Kotch Brothers more than you.

That wazn't very nice!

I am NOT nutz.

And I'll call that bet and raise you that Dr. Paul wouldn't agree with THIS:

The Less Discussed Part of Walker’s Wisconsin Plan: No-Bid Energy Assets Firesales.

The bill would allow for the selling of state-owned heating/cooling/power plants without bids and without concern for the legally-defined public interest.

http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-less-discussed...

And how convenient for the Kochtopus Energy Conglomeration, wouldn't you agree? But not much liberty in it for the rest of US, at all.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Anyone who is a socialist is

Anyone who is a socialist is Nutz! Frankly, an occasional post by other viewpoints is great and stimulates great discussions, but it quickly gets annoying. You are hijacking every post and spamming it with pasted responses from other sites. You are taking statements from libertarian sources and twisting them. Most of the people on this board are staunch liberty supporters and have very well thought out positions on most of the issues. I promise you that you will not find any potential converts here. So, what do you seek to accomplish by pretending you are for liberty but advocating for socialistic nonsense on the DP?

By the way, every so often we get attacked by spambots and government trollbots. We know what they look like and how they operate in tandem with the other handles they work.

Confusion on your part

I'm sure Ron Paul would fully support the sale of government owned power plants at the current market price of the property in competitive bidding.

"Allow the selling of state owned power plants"

Yes, it's awful funny the way you formed that sentence. It sounds like you're a socialist who is petrified at the notion of selling a government run power plant. While I can't support a no bid sale, I fully support the sale of all power plants or businesses the government has acquired or built.

"Allowed the sale" You sound very protective of these power plants. Do you mean, don't let a private business touch them, because the government is running them?

Sometimes I come to the DP and it feels like I'm on the Huffpost.

That pretty much sums it up:

That pretty much sums it up: The Koch brothers are liberty's worst enemies, except for everyone else with anything resembling similar ability to influence the public.

Not that we shouldn't be alert for when they and theirs are wrong; but the notion that those two, out of all this country's government apologizing slime, are somehow the nexus of evil; comes across as rather silly for anyone bothering with a bit of fact checking.

This sums it up better:

The Koch Bros. Love Herman Cain & Hate Ron Paul

What the hell are the Koch brothers thinking?
When you compare Ron Paul to Herman Cain, the choice is obvious. Congressman Paul says, let's start by bringing U.S. troops home from overseas to help reduce the budget deficit and shift priorities to Americans. He is like that on every issue. He is always about details and specifics He doesn't talk in generalities such as "Well I'm a great manager", like Cain does. Everybody says that, from Mitt Romney to Rudy Giuliani. Who needs more of that?
Congressman Paul is also more principled. You would never see Congressman Paul, as a libertarian, ever say that the food stamp program is a good program. And it appears he has a different view about the Fed, then does the former Fed insider Cain.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/03/on-koch-support...

previously posted here:
http://dailypaul.com/158599/the-koch-bros-love-herman-cain-h...

My question is, WHY are the Evil Koch Brothers being supported here, on a forum that supports Ron Paul, of all places? They HATE everything Ron Paul stands for!!

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Right....

Right....

Billion dollar campaign, trillion dollar bailout, can you tell me what's the definition of a sellout?

Throw a mock Tea Party and call it a Koch Party

complete with tossing Koch products away (into the garbage...no sense hurting sea life).

That both:

1. brings light on the Koch's influence on the Tea Party

2. could launch a consumer boycott activism (something we desperately need). Consumer boycotts of all sin products would show the powers that Ron Paulers understand the game and know what were our power lies...consumerism.

Here are some Koch Industries companies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries

NO

All full frontal attack on a superior enemy is suicide, think...think...

Here is some help
http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html

Joining With the Left Wing Attacks on Certain Wealth Contributor

Why your focus on the Kochs instead of maybe Soros or a Bill Gates? Because you take your cues from the left wing. Seems you're some type of left wing troll. Are you a left wing Progressive or a so called progressive parading as a libertarian?

Why join

Let them do the work and we can keep our powder dry.

Make note : How many times does Ron Paul attack Koch or ANY of their plants, fronts or talking heads ? ........
ZERO, now ask the obvious.....why ?

Attacks Dogs Run Wild on the DP

He's got better things to do than entertain confused liberals and libertarians wh think the best way to promote liberty is to attack the Kochs.

LOL, I'm a cafeteria libertarian...

I agree with everything on the list except for #2. Please take that one off my menu.

I have no problem with gay marriage, but why should gay marriage or indeed any marriage be the business of the government?

I presume you were being sarcastic when you posted this. Were you, or are you trying to be a troll?

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

I wish I could give you more

I wish I could give you more +++++ on this comment. The troll blitz on this site is out of control. They don't even know which side of the issue to pretend to be on and they seem to forget their positions they had in their last posts. Its hard to pretend to be a supporter of Ron Paul when you don't believe in freedom and responsibility or understand the nuances of the philosophy of Liberty.

Hey mods ... PLEASE Michael

This is almost to much to take. Were at risk of being renamed Daily Troll !!!

Man I hope Mr. Paul isn't reviewing what we have been posting here in his name. Bummer.

Discover Costa Rica

Why all the complaining?

Please explain WHY you are so offended, and WHY the good Dr. would be offended? Does the name Koch bother you?

Love it

Billionaires never sound so bad when they support what you want them to support.

Why hello there, George Soros.

Charles G. Koch Speaks Out...

Found this on the Wall Street Journal...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870428830457617...

Thanks for that

People need to do their own research, but nice find.

Thought the problem

with them is their support of/for the FED and funny money system.

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Federal Reserve

Problem with them is their support of the Federal Reserve?

They aren't running for anything so why is their support or non-support in question?

Additionally, if you have to discuss it, can you or anyone document their "support" for the FED?

The article is tongue-in-cheek

No one who is for a police state calls it a "police state". Other statements are equally transparent.

Defend Liberty!

I don't think that reddit writup is accurate.

It's deceptive issue framing to connect conservatives to the Koch's. Also reading the comments, I'll say the writer isn't fooling anyone.

Kochs

"Kochs are evil because I said so, don't ask for proof. Where I come from all billionaires are greedy, power hungry people. So, I know what I'm saying!!"

Koch haters have zero proof for their statements, but they apparently stand by them?

Want to find out what's wrong

Want to find out what's wrong with the Koch brothers? Read any of these from Lew Rockwell:

http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Search&cof=LW%3A500%3BL%3Aht...

Just a sample

Just a sample: (from open secrets)

Political Action Committee Spending (1989 to 2010)
Koch Industries: $5,938,993 (83 percent going to Republicans)

527 Group Contributions (2001 to 2010)
Koch Industries: $574,998
$186,598 – Democratic Governors Association
$150,000 – Republican State Leadership Committee
$103,400 – Republican Governors Association
David Koch: $2,224,170
$667,500 – National Republican Congressional Comm 555,000 – Republican National Committee
$191,400 – National Republican Senatorial Committee
Charles G. Koch: $363,100
$58,900 – National Republican Senatorial Committee
$50,000 – Republican National Committee

---- Yup - real Libertarian principles. Supporting the status-quo Repub/Neocon system. Thanks guys. Oh - and let's not forget that REASON (Koch founded) was mostly anti-Ron Paul during the '07 primary! Farther down the list they give to Democrats too.

David Koch’s Favorite congressional members:
$17,100 – Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.)
$7,600 – Elizabeth Dole (R-N.C.)
$7,200 – Mark Foley (R-Fla.)
$6,600 – James Inhofe (R-Okla.)
$5,000 – Sam Brownback (R-Kan.)

---- Seriously, Sam-Frickin'-Brownback! Foley, that Neocon RINO! Dole - another RINO, war-monger, FED lover. I'm sure ther are more.

--Founders of "Freedom Works" headed by Dick "Old Neocon POS" Armey!
--The Heritage Foundation (Neocon, Ron Paul-hating think-tank)
--American Enterprise Institute (FED-loving Corporatists)

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle--...

Then, there is the millions in lobbying - Pro-Homeland Security is second in their efforts.

Then, the "Tea Party" organizations they fund which we all know is a Corporatist shell-game.

And on and on..... They may actually be libertarian-minded and good people, don't know. But, to claim those of us who are suspicious of their intent are completely without justification is not being honest. Personally, I think they are just the Yin to the Soros Yang in the false-left-right paradigm used to keep us divided and ignorant.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain