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Public School/Government Indoctrination System

Public School System = Government Indoctrination System

The Public School System is a one size fits all method controlled and mandated by government bureaucracies. There is very little diversity or alternatives. Parents have very little choice in how their children are educated. Every child must learn the same subjects in the manner prescribed by the government with materials approved by the government to meet government standards on government selected subjects because that is the rule. How many children wake up today and wish they could stay in bed. They wish that the school bus would not appear this day. They lack desire for school and learning because they are not inspired by the education methods today. Their minds are numbed by the methods mandated in the public schools. For too many students the school experience is dull and unhappy and full of unintelligible tasks and violations of common sense. School should not feel like servitude. Why is it that private schooled and home schooled children consistently outperform public school children and do so at a cost of half that of public schools. There must be better ways. Shouldn’t children wake up with their eyes ablaze, full of life, yearning to head off to school to learn more? Shouldn’t the school be filled with teachers that love children and love teaching and love to be there and love to teach? If we could free up education from the rigid block of bureaucratic rules and law we might just be completely amazed. There must be better ways if only we were allowed the freedom to explore them.

Children are innate learning sponges. They have natural curiosity. They want to learn everything. The entire world is a place of wonder and amazement. The greatest learning skill is to have curiosity and to think and analyze the subject. If you can analyze a subject and become curious about it, learning will become easy, fun and second nature. Learning is natural for children. If a child is not learning in school or does not like school that is a reflection on the school and education system and not the child. Children wanting to learn is like water flowing downhill. If it is not happening there is a problem with the education system.

The Government Indoctrination System fights against innovative and effective teaching. It destroys the success of innovative, motivational, creative, educators like John Taylor Gatto and Jaime Escalante. John Taylor Gatto http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ , who upon finally winning New York State Teacher of the Year Award after over 29 years of success teaching the “most at risk” and “least promising” students, resigned in disgust to fight against the Government Indoctrination System. Jaime Escalante, subject of the film Stand and Deliver, motivated gang exposed poor inner city Latino students to become enthusiastic about Calculus of all things. Students who never had any desire or success for the “public schools” were enthusiastically staying after school, attending Jaime’s workshops having fun participating in math clubs and competitions and took them from a bottom failing program to top ten school in the State of California. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Escalante. All the while the Government Indoctrination System was fighting them every step of the way. Their successes were despite the “Public School” System and because of their perseverance in fighting against it.

The Government Indoctrination System works to stifle curiosity, blunt critical analysis and logical reasoning and instead defer to others with labels of authority. It tramples self-learning, instills conformity, kills self-esteem and replaces it with self-confidence based on confirmation from others, and produces good little consumer statists who have achieved from their indoctrination nearly zero real world practical functioning for success.

It seems odd that in a society that would laugh at the notion that there is one right car or job or house or hobby or pair of shoes for everyone, the vast majority unquestioningly accepts that there is one right education for all; that the poetic, dreamy child should be subjected to the same institutions and methods as the outgoing, athletic child; that the brilliant but erratic child should be schooled by the same methods as the dull plodding child; that the highly motivated, independent child should be squeezed into the institutional structure designed to tame an undisciplined child. We acknowledge some students may be permitted to pursue arts while others are directed into science or physical education. But all must learn in the same manner, within the same authoritarian structure, in the same 50-minute intervals dictated by the same government. We believe it is a virtue if all are held to the same state or national testing standard, rarely asking whether the standard itself measures anything meaningful. - The State vs. The People, p. 52, Clair Wolfe and Aaron Zelman (2004)

The system is not improving. If anything education has become more standardized, more rigid, more controlled then it ever has. With each new bureaucratic reform the education expenses become greater and greater without results - standardized testing, America 2000, Goals 2000, “Progressive” Education, School to work, No Child Left Behind, Government Monopolized Teacher Certification. It is an expensive failed attempt at social engineering. With each new reform, parents and communities have less and less say or direction over their children or their own education.

A few tidbits of wisdom from John Taylor Gatto:

Growth and mastery come only to those who vigorously self-direct. Initiating, creating, doing, reflecting, freely associating, enjoying privacy – these are precisely what the structures of schooling are set up to prevent, on one pretext or another.

Much of the weird behavior kids display is a function of the aperiodic reinforcement schedule. And the endless confinement and inactivity slowly drives children out of their minds. Trapped children, like trapped rats, need close management. Any rat psychologist will tell you that.

The crime of mass forced schooling is this: it amputates the full argument and replaces it with engineered consensus.

The net effect of holding children in confinement for twelve years without honor paid to the spirit is a compelling demonstration that the State considers the Western spiritual tradition dangerous.

The strongest meshes of the school net are invisible. Constant bidding for a stranger’s attention creates a chemistry producing the common characteristics of modern schoolchildren: whining, dishonesty, malice, treachery, cruelty. Unceasing competition for official favor in the dramatic fish bowl of a classroom delivers cowardly children, little people sunk in chronic boredom, little people with no apparent purpose for being alive. - THE UNDERGROUND HISTORY OF AMERICAN EDUCATION: A SCHOOLTEACHER'S INTIMATE INVESTIGATION INTO THE PROBLEM OF MODERNSCHOOLING (2000).

More good resources:

Alliance for the Separation of School and State: http://www.schoolandstate.org/home.htm

John Taylor Gatto against the Public Indoctrination System: http://ko-kr.connect.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=119499171434...

Jacob G. Hornberger on Public Indoctrination System: http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2009-09-09.asp

Public Indoctrination System and Dr. Ron Paul: http://www.lewrockwell.com/jarvis/jarvis108.html

John Stossel - Government Education Monopoly: http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel/education-too-i...

More on Government Education Monopoly: http://www.newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools2.htm


And remember this wonderful valedictorian speech on the Government Indoctrination System:

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Thinking outside of the box

The most important lesson any teacher can impart is that there IS a "box", or rather that public school indoctrination conditions children to see the world with a very limited outlook.

I believe it only takes one influential teacher in a child's education to alert his/her attention to the reality (and therefore unreality) of the "box".

Of course, as we all can attest, that in no way adds to the happiness or comfort of said child, but it does arm the child with a reason to question the validity of what is being taught, which is perhaps the most empowering lesson there is.

Teenagers rebel naturally. They naturally need to look outside of the "box" they perceive their parents made for them. Often it seems public education encourages this. But the more universalized public education becomes, the more adolescents are naturally rebelling against the "box" they perceive the government makes for them. I think it wise for parents AND teachers to encourage this.

And speaking of thinking outside the box...
Happy St. Patty's Day!

The public school system

requires that teachers must become assembly line workers to live within this "system". The larger a system becomes, the less agile and flexible it can be. There is no room for individuality in a system and those who support individuality are a threat to the system.

If it were private it would still sometimes suffer from inflexibility and would likely be attacked heavily by competitors with newer ideas and agility not seen in a somewhat monopolistic system or clones of that system cutting into the market share and forcing smaller size and flexibility. An inflexible system could not exist for long in a truly free market.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

I Indoctrinate

I teach public school and indoctrinate my kids to understand the philosophy of Liberty, follow the Constitution, Believe in sound money, to be anti-war, anti-imperialism and anti-the-Fed.

My lessons this week:

US History - Progressive Movement: How the creation of the Fed ended the American Republic and Dollar / How Prohibition was a Major Failure / And How Bad Ass Alice Pail was in her fight for Women's Suffrage

Current Events - The R-L Spectrum Is a Fraud / Where you stand on the Nolan Test / The National Debt (IOUSA) How Social Security, Medicare/aid and defense spending will destroy America

US Government - The Two Party System / How Primaries work - understanding campaign adds and issues (They view their own clips and push their own candidates in a mock 08' primary (Paul usually beats Gravel or Kucinich in the final election))

Fight Government Indoctrination! TEACH!

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I had already posted on this OP.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Training in the blame game, racism and "all brains left behind"

"It is an expensive failed attempt at social engineering."
The religion of oppressor and victim is only logical in a place were "Truth is treason in the empire of lies".

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Alan Caruba on US School System

An intesting article at LewRockwell.com by Alan Caruba on the US School system: http://www.lewrockwell.com/caruba/caruba28.1.html

Too often, these schools of so-called higher education are just money-mills producing debt-ridden human sausage. ... How does anyone pass through twelve years of schooling and still remain illiterate ... America’s schools have been failing one generation after another since around the 1960s when the teacher’s union got a firm grip on local schools and on the U.S. Department of Education. ... The schools are making too many potentially smart people stupid

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

"Everyone" is tired of hearing from me--

I am a long, long ago former public educator who home educated my own--

I've seen both sides. I was also raised by people who were educators, several generations back.


it's true.

My own public education experience was a nightmare. As I look back, I wonder how I survived. In fact, I determined to be a school teacher, so that I could 'correct' things and so that the childen in *my* care would not suffer as I had, and then I found that my efforts were largely futile, and I quit, disappointed.

Teaching my own was one of the most exhilerating things I ever experienced, and spouse and I were heavily involved together in it--

one of us did do much of the 'home' work, but we were both very involved, and it changed us. We've never seen things the same way. As for our children, I can say that learning was often delightful for them. Where are they now? They don't 'fit' so very well. One who tried higher education failed, and one who has refused to be involved in any sort of institutional education has been quite successful (but doesn't fit, as all peers are heavily college-invested)--

as for the rest, it's a 'toss-up' and remains to be seen with at least one.

so, I am not sure what to believe about the results; all I know is that it made us a closer family, and I will not forget the joy.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thanks for sharing your story.

Sometimes I worry about my 8 year old fitting in, and then I remember, ick, why would I make anyone have to fit there? Already, at only 8 years of age, she is showing her circle of friends and their mothers that this option works. Not only that it works, but that it ROCKS. I am hopeful that more and more parents will choose this path and eventually, she will fit right in with a homeschooled world!

The way I look at it is,

who would want to fit into this shit they call "society" today.

Today's society is something to be rebuked, and not enshrined.
I'm SO glad that I don't "fit in" with what is walking around outside there now.

It's like trying to swim in a sewer.

you are very welcome--

I will always talk about home education to anyone who is interested. It is easy, sometimes, especially now that I am officially a senior citizen (as is spouse) to forget that public schools ever existed!


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The Public Mind

The sole purpose of Public Education is to create the Public Mind or that is to say socialize the children to fit in. Children who either cannot be brainwashed by schooling or who learn at your house will not fit in to the slave Society.

If you want to find a place where free thinkers will feel welcome go look at KingofCommerce's post "Has the false history Matrix..."I forget the rest!
Or go to TheRightOfSelfDetermination.com.

You will be amazed and they will find other like minds where they will feel welcome and not "odd".

The Oracle

well, thank you--



it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

My Children love homeschool:

They are excited to learn, especially about science. I sometimes wonder if they don't have little propaganda detectors intelligently designed into their systems. They can see the faulty logic of some of the people we have studied, and their theories, a mile away.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Teach Them The Law First

Teach them the Law in the Bible first. Then teach them The Law of Nations, yes there is such a thing, a book in fact. These two books form the basis of all human relations on Earth.

Knowledge of The Law will set your children on a path to freedom.

This is why U.S. Slaves were never taught to read, only to sound out words, to keep them as British Subjects.

I highly recommend you check out the resources under "Has The False History Matrix.... " by KingofCommerce on DP.

Watch the videos with your kids and study the books together.

I too have some other resources listed which you will find enlightening for you and your kids.
See my other posts on this site under The Oracle.

Teach your young Alices well now and they will grow up to be captains of their own vessels rather than slaves like the last 7 generations of Americans.

Perhaps one day they will be worthy to join a free Society.

The Oracle

this was my experience


Early brainwashing.

"Pennsylvania children are being raised as sheeple to the slaughter. Sexual repression and institutional abuse is being forced onto these children by the thousands as good parents are being actively demonized. Children are being programmed by the demonic media of the Bohemian Grove death cult and not by good parents."

"The slaves of the past were liberated by removing their chains. The mind-slaves today are not so easily liberated. 9/11 was a powerful branding event which activated millions of mind-slaves like they were insects. Like insects, they cannot see the obvious: Nazi Mind Control was brought to America to brainwash our children, not our enemies.

5,000 Pennsylvania Children Stolen and Abused by Nazi Mind Control Brainwashing

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

This reminds me of what C.S . Lewis said of History taught...

under the rule of Miraz:

"The sort of 'History' that was taught in Narnia under Miraz's rule was duller than the truest history you ever read, and less true than the most exciting adventure story."

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Children wanting to learn is like water flowing downhill.

I love that statement!


Fortunately here in AZ, you can send your kids to charter schools and AZ will pay for it. Our daughter is in a charter school and we didn't have to pay anything outside of what we would pay for public schooling (field trips, dances, etc).

I think every family ought to push for similar laws so that they have the options of different schools. Our daughter was getting D's and F's and was on an IEP plan at the public school. They would tell us she is doing fine and then come report card time, etc., she was failing. We put her in a good charter school and she is happier and even made A-B Honor Roll. The teachers are required to have a Masters as well. I think the level of altruism in the teachers seems to be higher.

I would like to someday see an online school evolve out of open source course management software which currently exists. Perhaps it could receive accreditation in the several states and present a true home-school option for all parents.


South Carolina

has something like what you are proposing (re. online school). http://info.connectionsacademy.com/national/search?_kk=b225c...

Only problem is that you have to use the State's curriculum.

We choose to homeschool and use the curriculum we see fit. In some cases I use open-courseware from various college websites and development a year's worth of curriculum for my son. There are tests, etc. available. We are doing this currently with a college level entomology course out of North Carolina State University. Completely free for the viewing and using. (His knowledge of insects blows me away!)

It takes effort but teaching your child at home is wonderful for him/her and beyond rewarding for the parent. The benefits go way beyond merely academic proficieny...way beyond.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Good post except for the following:

"The teachers are required to have a Masters as well."

This means nothing. My wife is a teacher and I have several friends who are teachers, and these masters programs are lollipop jokes. Public school teachers are usually required to have Masters degrees too, and look where that got us. MORE qualified candidates get turned down at public schools due to lack of Masters in favor of morons that put in the extra worthless classroom time (if they even went to class).

Not to be harsh, just making the point that requiring a masters degree (and hence as a side effect requiring the candidate for the job be in tens of thousands in extra debt than bacherlor degree recipients) is almost completely meaningless. Level of altruism; who knows... charter schools are still part of the public school system, and most teachers in said schools are still unionized. But at the same time it is definitely a step in the right direction!

Otherwise good comments; glad your daughter has seen such a drastic improvement!

Big +1 to the online pseudo-homeschool idea.

Altruism isn't easily

Altruism isn't easily measured. I have met the teachers as I feel parents are the ones responsible for their child's education. I am more impressed with the charter school than with the public school. Not too sure about the charter school being public employees though, they are certainly not part of the local school district MUSD.

We did have my daughter in online home schooling via k12.com but she figured out how to cheat on the tests. She would fail them the first time, and then write down the answers when going over the test and then re-test and it was the exact same questions.

Then again, I also learned how to fail my way through multiple choice tests at college by simply guessing. You get on a four choice test an average of 25% with three retries and they show you which ones you got right and which ones you got wrong. By sticking with the correct ones, you are at 25% passing, then the remaining questions are now 1 in 3, adding 33% of those to your correct answers. Repeat. On a 20 question test, you would already be at 50% by this time and have only two choices left on the remaining 10, giving a 50/50 shot at getting them right, making your grade 75% just by guessing. Now, if you know the answers to some of them, you'll do even better. You would think the test-makers would figure this stuff out.



I heard recently that a professor in a University showed a Simpsons episode to the students and analyzed it for the class. ie. deconstructed it.

It would akin to a professor thirty years ago showing a Flintstones episode and being still allowed to work in a University or college anywhere in America.

William Lloyd Garrison, American newspaper editor and abolitionist (1805-1879):

Nothing is gained, everything is lost, by subordinating principle to expediency.


Nice quote ... thanks donvino

“Nothing is gained, everything is lost, by subordinating principle to expediency.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison, American newspaper editor and abolitionist (1805-1879):

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

What war isn't good for the economy ?

Global warming isn't real ? Keynes wasn't the man as far as economics goes ? Government spending doesn't prime the pump ? What a pile of garbage they push at the processing centers. All in all we're just another brick in the wall.

I've thought about homeschooling

But I am afraid that no matter how hard I try, I will inevitably give my children a very biased view of history, economics, and human nature.

I can supplement their math, reading and writing skills, but when it comes to the other subjects I think I'd prefer having my children educated by as diverse a group as possible. Me included, but also liberal and conservative teachers. My local school district has teachers of both persuasions so I think it would be a good fit.

I thought long and hard about the same issues..

"But I am afraid that no matter how hard I try, I will inevitably give my children a very biased view of history, economics, and human nature."

But then I realized, it is either my biased view or "theirs". You mentioned supplementing a few subjects like math, reading, and writing, which in my opinion can't really be twisted by the establishment.

I think you would do your children a huge favor by helping them understand true History (Operation Northwoods and all), solid economics, and human nature. Handle your own sex education instead of sending them to a "how to" class at school.

We decided that instead of sending our active children to school so that she can sit in a chair 9 hours a day, and then re-programming her a few hours a night, that we could simply home school them in less than half the time they would spend at school. We will follow curriculum, probably SonLight, but we will be honest about the behavior of our government and its atrocities. My two oldest have been taught by the establishment that the government is their best friend and is always there to help you. It is disgusting.

Rant over.

I took advantage of school, because I was old school. However,

I began to question authority and think for yourself after reading "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" (a classic) when I was 19. Further, I was ready, because I was a tee hugger, in a time that trees disapperared daily. Orchards ... gone.

“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.”
~Albert Einstein

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

I support

parents being responsible for their children's education, without any public schools or the required taxation that funds it.
Totally private matter between the parents and the child, and perhaps a tutor or teacher if required.
No gov't involvement of any kind.