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Ron Paul IS going to run for President

Rather than bump the disgusting post about Ron Paul NOT running, I thought I'd post a counter thread.

I have just as much inside information as the poster that made the statement he is not running. In every interview I have seen he has never said he is not going to run.

If I were him, I'd do as much as possible in congress before announcing. Once you have announced your run, you now have to focus on running. Right now Ron Paul is in the position he has been waiting for. He has the Fed by the balls. They cannot ignore him now that he is the Chairman of the House Subcommittee for Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology. He can focus on that for a little while, as he should.

The other thing that begins once you have announced is you have to start spending money. It is often the case that the candidate with the most money at the end of the race does better than the one that blows their wad early in the game. The longer the announcement is delayed, the better it is financially. Every day he waits to announce he saves tens of thousands of dollars. Isn't that a good fiscal conservative? Isn't that what a good steward of donations would do?

As for campaign staff, etc, I'd argue he has the biggest ever seen. The C4L has over 600,000 members. Then there are the hundreds of thousands of other supporters who are not in C4L. Many of us are race horses in the gates waiting for them to spring open. Once they do and he turns us all lose, it will be a campaign the likes of which no one has ever seen. If people think that 2008 was wild, just wait until you see where things are one year from now.

He also knows that if he does not announce the fire in our bellies will not be there. When he does announce, he will unleash us all on the political world. Even Democrats like him better than many in their own party.

Ron Paul WILL run for President. I have no doubt.




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Ron Will Run 2012 But Will Lose Unless This Is Taken Care Of...

WHY THIS HAS NOT BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS MOVEMENT FUCKS WITH MY BRAIN LIKE NOTHING ELSE...IT'S ALMOST LIKE EVERYONE HERE IS HYPNOTIZED. BUT HEY WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AFTER ALL RON HAS WOKEN UP ENOUGH PEOPLE AND A FEW MONEYBOMBS WILL DO THE TRICK...YOU CAN TRUST THOSE GOOD OLD ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES...

http://www.dailypaul.com/152976/diebold-vs-paper-ballots

Thomas, good friend

Please NO ALL CAPS posts! Take it down a notch.

WTF?? do you really want a civil war???

are you eager to see Americans kill each other? Without a revision in the way elections are held , it is a forgone conclusion.

I say BRING ON THE ALL CAPS POSTS TILL THIS IS SOLVED!!

How quickly you guys forget.

This is Mike's site. Respect that.

"Engaging in flame wars or personal attacks on other members, racist or sexist remarks, posting obscene materials, inciting or encouraging violent or illegal acts, posting spam, bumping your own thread to keep it on the front page, posting the same non-related comment on multiple threads to promote your website or event (This is considered spam. The forums are a place for discussion, not advertising), blatant advertising and/or EXCESSIVE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS. If you cannot consistently spell or check your grammar, you may also be banned.

Repeated offenses will result in the termination of your account. As I stated at the beginning, participation in this site is a privilege, not a right. Ultimately, anything that I decide reflects poorly on Dr. Paul and/or sullies the good and peaceful name of Ron Paul, the Daily Paul or said supporters is not welcome here. At the end of the day, this is my house. I set it up to honor, respect and promote Ron Paul and the principles of freedom and liberty. Play fair and you're welcome to stay. Do not abuse what is offered."

http://dailypaul.com/78343/dp-updated-posting-guidelines

Hey When You Get Mod Status Let Me Know...

so I can lay low...

ps I'm doing this to promote the idea of Liberty and Ron Paul because without a TRANSPARENT VOTE we have no chance of getting Ron into the Whitehouse where he can effect real change with the stroke of a pen nullifying all the previous unconstitutional executive orders or is that to hard for you to wrap your head around?

And furthermore until I am officially warned for self bumping I will keep responding and/or adding new info to my post's concerning the voting issue and when anyone gets near this issue I will comment on it and hey I may even add my main post as one of my signature tags...hows them apples?
As far as I'm concerned this topic should be as dedicated as ending the FED and should be stickied to the front page...

BUMP................NO IF I WANT TO GO ALL CAPS

That's my prerogative. I know the penalty. I'm sick of this issue not being dealt with on a national level. There are 600,000 C4L members and they are doing squat about this...thats a formidable army...instead people will sit around and do nothing going on 4 years now and this is still not taken care of. Well not me I'm going to take the self bump title away from you know who over this. Maybe someone of importance will see my postings and run with it until this issue is resolved but we have to work together on this.

It will be my issue like it was in the beginning here until you all get so sick of me you will start hammering your Reps and we get our right to a transparent vote back.

I'd rather lead a mini charge here over the ballot box than have to go to the damned ammo box...get it?

Bring attention to the issue

Bring attention to the issue with love. You will get nowhere with a hostile attitude when your dealing with people.

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I Don't Have Time For Love...It's An Illusion Anyway

deal with the issue at hand or get reamed come Nov 2012. You want to take this and run with it and blow kisses at people thats your choice. I do it my way you do it yours...

its ironic...that someone is lecturing you about love

For if a person had 2 brain cells they would realize that only a DEEP LOVE for ones nation and the people in it would drive someone to passionately promote the idea of fair elections nationwide. What other reason is there? Power? Greed? HATE? There is no other logical answer except the overwhelming desire to see a free nation again! (and if that is not a definition of love, then what is?)

So in essence Thomas what you don't have time for is creating an illusion of love vs taking ACTIONS that express that concept in its entirety .

COURAGE IN ACTION=LOVE

You are wasting your keystrokes on that one.

Just my opinion.

Take it for what it is worth.

Keep Trying To Bait...

They are in complete and total denial of truth!

If the ballot issue is not solved by the time of the 2012 election, the only way he will win is if the "elites" want him to.

Why can't people get this? The short answer is they have no brain, they are just drones that ignore truth . (in other words you and a handful of others get it..the rest. do not)

the more complex answer is...mass conditioning,fluoride, radiation poisoning, vaccine poisoning ,etc...
here is a post that touches on that topic
http://www.dailypaul.com/160329/the-mind-control-of-totalita...

What will come of this? If the ballot issue is not solved, there is no more use in pursuing elections to save the nation, only a CIVIL WAR will do it.

OK, not to muddy the waters, BUT...

Got a LiberyPAC e-mail today with Ron's signature that had the following line in it:

"I spent Wednesday speaking with Iowans and meeting with homeschoolers. The response was terrific! Homeschool students really understand the threat big government posses to our country, and they responded wonderfully when I told them about my efforts to get out of the United Nations and to win them $5,000 tax credits. I am also the only major potential presidential candidate who will pledge to abolish the Department of Education."

Now, this is not proof positive that Ron will actually run, nor is it proof positive that Ron actually wrote this, but it is interesting.

was just going to "muddy the waters" as well :p

here's the page http://www.dailypaul.com/160677/liberty-pac-and-ron-paul-nee...

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Ron Paul, the movement, and the Presidency

Like almost all other Ron Paul supporters on the Daily Paul, I earnestly hope and wish that he will declare his run for the White House. I must say, however, time's awastin'!!

I think that this time he has at least some chance of winning the nomination, although don't ask what it is at this early time. Can he actually WIN the PRESIDENCY?? I rather doubt it, but stranger things have happened!

Unlike the last time, he is now almost a household name. Many polls seem to indicate that there is support for his positions regarding central banking and inflation generally, and the Federal Reserve and Bernanke in particular, positions which are unique to him, and do not include any other figure in either party. If the price increases of food, fuel, and clothing, which are resulting from FED counterfeiting activities over the past two years or so, have begun to kick in, and there is considerable evidence that this is the case, his popularity among voters (espcially independents--the largest single bloc of voters, who are disillusioned with both the party of Obama, and the Stupid Party) might rise exponentially in a very short time!

How will this play out in the coming two years? Your guess is as good as mine, and my crystal ball is a cracked as yours ( and Ron Paul's), but we should see a time when WE--the libertarian/paleoconservative/Constitutionalist Ron Paul movement not only reclaims the Tea Party, but becomes the PRIMARY politics of opposition in the USA, if not the world!

If, on the other hand, he decides not to run, for whatever reason, it behooves us to work out a 'plan B', working together in ways, perhaps emphasising local and State issues, third party activity, and public and internet activism centered in groups like Ron Paul's C$L and Young Americans for Liberty, or increased public awareness and education via non political institutions like the Mises Institute, Independent Institute, the Fully Informed Jury Association, tax--especially anti-income tax/XVI Amendment groups, the Future of Freedom Foundation, the Second Amendment Foundation, or the John Birch Society to name a few...

Ideally, these organizations, activists, and fundraisers would work well with each other while retaining a large amount of decentralized independence clear focus on their main issue, and local initiative.I don't know if this will do as much for liberty as we could do with a second Ron Paul run for the White House, but we would keep busy, we would lay a strong foundation to 'hit the ground running' after 2012, and we would encourage networks and support groups that can only be helpful to us and our country when the ultimate consequences of inflation, runaway government, and imperialism make themselves felt in the USSA!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

It will sure be bigger than last time!

There was a poll on RPF about when people had first heard of Ron and 2/3 hadn't heard of him before the last presidential election, including me!

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

But look what happened in 2007-2008



In 2007-2008, Rudy Guliani, Mitt Romney, John McCain were all early entries in the race, and raised a ton of money, and got a ton of media attention. As a consequence, the dynamics of the race became established, and the race was all about those three.

By the time Ron Paul (then unknown to many) began to raise enough money on the Internet to be a viable contender it was the winter of 2007, just a month away from Iowa and NH. Ron Paul could not catch up in the polls, and did not have a comparable operation, or the professionally done Media advertisements to compete.

McCain won because Romney sounded like a used car salesman and no one knew what he stood for, Guiliani had no message other than "911..911..911", and Huckabee only had enough to really compete in Iowa before burning out.

The most effective strategy would be for Ron Paul to capitalize on all the late momentum from 2008 that was built up, and get out front early with a serious Iowa, NH, SC, Nevada operation, and create that structure early along with early Internet fundraising, and a strong door-to-door effort. That's what Reagan did in 1980 after losing in 1976. If Paul did that he could then go toe-to-toe with any of the Establishment candidates, and because of his substance be the prohibitive newsmaker and front-runner. Under those conditions, he would be very hard to defeat -- because unlike all the other GOP hack-artists -- Ron Paul has a real message and they do not.

But if the others get up early, then what we've seen from 2007-2008 is that it's too hard to play "catch up" when you're $30 million dollars behind, and 30 points down in the polls. That's not where you want to ever be.

The reason why early favorites can fall (Hillary Clinton, Guiliani, etc.) is because despite all their money, there is no compelling message or reason to vote for them. But that doesn't apply to Ron Paul.

People have to spend a lot of time in Iowa to win there. The earlier the start the more likely you can build the type if intimacy and loyalty required.

Jimmy Carter was the last grassroots based, unknown who won the Presidency, and he started well before anyone else. Howard Dean came close in 2003-2004, and he was also the first candidate to declare.

I sure hope so.

All indicators point in that direction, Iowa, New Hampshire, the Money Bomb...

I like Gary Johnson and I think he would make a great president but I don't believe he has any momentum behind him other than the intellectual libertarian / republicans.

Ron Paul on the other hand has huge momentum behind him. With the economic and debt crisis still upon us he will be the only logical choice.

I just think you're all silly

I just think you're all silly who say "I'm certain" this way or that. You're not obviously certain. You have no way to be certain unless your Ron or a close friend at this point it appears. I'm certain the sun rises and falls daily but will not know if he will or not until Ron tells the world if he is or not. These posts are getting rediculous and starting silly arguments for no reason. Lets wait and find out, then everyone can start ranting and raving if they wish.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Apparently you are new to DP?

Some of us are his close friends... obviously you are not. It is not "silly" to encourage those who need encouragement, especially as how the powers that be are dedicated to discouraging as many as possible.

On that point, why in the world would you discourage anyone from such a hope? And on top of that, by calling the idea of Paul's running "silly", or the idea of those who know "silly"? All without a shred of evidence to the contrary of what you say, that "You're not obviously certain"?!?!

You must have misunderstood

I am not discouraging anyone from anything. I'm simply saying we should stop bickering amongst ourselves whether he is or not and keep pushing forward. I've been hanging around DP for over a year and joined 5 or 6 months after first visiting so I would not consider myself new. I never said it was silly that he run, if you look below I even stated his age should not matter and that he should run. I have supported Ron as president since discovering austrian economics and Murray Rothbard which led me to him. So I guess you read my post wrong. My point was not to argue amongst ourselves if he's going to or not and just keep the idea of liberty alive whether he does or not.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Possibly...

it would appear we maybe have the same intent then. :)

Time and resources are precious, most especially for the patriot grassroots! Time in what I have explained before about Gingrich, and resources in that, the 'powers that be' by comparison make the patriots seem ill equipped financially.

Our temporal salvation is found in the truth of the minority patriot's brush-fire, which can best the greatest of resources evil can conjure up against liberty.

Ron Paul will run, his health

Ron Paul will run, his health permitting. He has got too much invested in the Revolution to drop the ball now when his ideas are getting traction after 35 years! I am sure he knows he is a man of destiny. And being a man committed as he is to the ideals of liberty, he knows what he needs to do.

Don't worry, be patient. HE WILL RUN!

'Some' are 'privy', of necessity, to the fact that he already intends to run! It has already been decided! It is being kept under wraps for good reason, and we should respect that choice and purpose!

However, there is strategy in everything you see. Of that Ron is a master! He has not been around 'foggy bottom DC' 35+ years for nothing!

Keep on keeping on, in the precincts, and everywhere you have contact. Dr. Ron Paul is not going away unless the God of Nature determines otherwise!

The need by his country and the request of patriots for him to run, has already determined the matter. How it transpires and when, and who entirely, remain obviously points of strategy! In such a battle few foes of evil surpass Dr. Paul's strategic brilliance.

It is a life and death matter for the nation, that good men and women do all they can for their country, and more-so it's foundations! All that remains for evil to triumph is that they do nothing.

For Ron Paul, that is not an option!

It is ours to go into the precincts in preparation for the caucuses!

You can take that, along with your 'withdrawal slips', to the bank!

God will decide

God will decide if Ron runs or not.

Some underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives...

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I don't assume to know

I do assume, however, that he will wise weigh his options and predict the best he can wether he can win the Repub nomination or not. We all know he's capable of beating Obama and that the hardest part will be winning the nomination. He is very capable of being the president even at his advanced age but if the main stream media still depicts him as unelectable it will be hard to convince the masses otherwise.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Velveeta, I suggest you read

Velveeta, I suggest you read what Doug Wead has to say about age and the presidency
http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/is-ron-paul-too-old...

Thanks anyway, I don't need to be convinced.

I am not an ageist. :) I consider myself a realist.

History is covered with

History is covered with people much older than Ron Paul doing great things. I'd take 1 year of Ron Paul as President over 8 years of pretty much any other candidate. And besides, I believe we could count on Dr. Paul having the right people in place to take care of business in the event that his time comes while in office as President.

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But never overestimate the public.

Of course, no admirer of Dr. Paul considers him "too old", but the media and the public might. He is at a record-setting age to win the presidency, well beyond Ronald Reagan.

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