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I just came across a guy who thinks that the US, up until about the past two or three years, was an economically libertarian/free enterprise system. What would be some good examples to share with him to show him that the US has actually been quite interventionist, centralist, and socialistic for decades?

Thanks for the help fellow patriot scholars!

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Mandated insurance

(ex. automobile or health) = fascist

Mandating doctors to give

Mandating doctors to give patients care then also fascist.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

That's easy - show him the Communist Manifesto by

Karl Marx. Especially, show him the 10 planks.

Mr. Marx would vehemently disagree with your friend and would make it very clear that the U.S. is a socialist state and has been for nearly 100 years.

After looking at the 10 planks, it is without doubt that though we are not as far along the path as say Russia was, you and your friend - all of us - were born into communism.

THIS is what a totalitarian state looks like. You are living it.

It doesn't mean necessarily that there are armed stazi on every corner.

It means you can't even wipe your butt without the government having dictated what you wipe it with and how much water you use to flush it down with.

It means you do not own or control the fruits of your labor.

It means you are "allowed" certain "privileges" just enough so you don't take up arms, but no more.

It means you will do and live as "they" tell you to, or you will pay fines, go to jail, or be summarily executed. (especially if you try to defend yourself against "them")

The 10 planks.

We've adopted every one - long long ago.


The Federal Reserve System/Monopoly on money. How is it a free society when you have no alternative money? But if he thought we were a free society until Obama became president then he'll probably believe thats its necessary to have money that is centrally controlled. After all this is what everyone is taught.

Social security, Vietnam, the

Social security, Vietnam, the Feds control of the money supply, public union regulations to keep out competition, artificial interest rates, all the other so called wars, housing and farm subsidies. These are examples of intervention and socialist policies aren't they?

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

glad you brought up the . . .

wars; most neo-conservatives who claim the U.S. still has free enterprise (or ever has had it) blink/wink at the wars--

also, IRS abuses; it's not often that much of the 'moderate' abuse (such as households paying out massive amounts of interest for late taxes or people who are unable to pay being bilked until they are destroyed) goes unreported; I know of several instances from family and friends who have barely eaten while paying massive IRS 'debt'--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

sure we have free enterprise

We hire mercaneries now to do most of the fighting. It's such a shame that most people don't realize the waste that goes on in every sector. The don't run it to provide the best and least costly service. They just run it however they want until someone complains then they do a better job, but still don't worry about the costs.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

We're working on it.



Not a single bit of help? Come on, guys. I thought we were the revolution.

It's a hard question to answer...

It's hard to answer because the answer is complicated. The US is rooted as a libertarian society, and the greatest explosion of real wealth occurred in the absence of the income tax and federal reserve.

Gradually that wealth has been leveraged until the average person has decades of debt on their houses and can comfortably survive only by succumbing to indentured servitude (debt slavery).

The US has gone from a nation where people worked less hours to more hours, single income families to dual income families and our debt is skyrocketing. It's not that their isn't more money out there, there's just less wealth.

Inflation, the hidden tax allows the Federal Reserve and government to shear us like sheep, taking a percentage of all our wealth, and diminishing the purchasing power of our future earnings. They print money and everyone earns less and savings rot.

The US has gone from a nation where a penny saved is a penny earned, to a nation where savings are stolen and we are forced to live a life of consumption to preserve what wealth we have. This couldn't happen in a nation of individuals, it can only happen when Corporations shape the agenda of government not people.

The goverment is supposed to create the framework for which we can raise our families in safety, and instead they create a cage where we can serve corporations at the expense of our families. As long as the government keeps accepting its agenda from corporate lobbyists rather than voters, there's never going to be change in favor of the people.

It's a really long answer...

well-written . . .

thank you.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--