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Jack Hunter - Liberals for Slavery




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I don't think Jack is at all

I don't think Jack is at all reflecting Progressive ideology.

Saying Progressives are for centralized power is like saying conservatives are for corporate subsidies...there is a difference between being progressives and calling yourself progressive.

Progressives have long appealed to states rights, they are historically extremeley against government intervention in personal affairs, they are highly anti-war, and they have a rather irrational fear of Big Brother.

So I think calling grassroots progressives for the increase of centralized power is wrong.

Also, no reasonable person has any issue with the statement "slavery was not the sole cause of the civil war". Indeed, you would be a fool to think such a complex war could be boiled down so simply. It is an intelligent and nuanced discussion we can have. But when people say that slavery WASN'T a cause of the war or that slavery wasn't the PRIMARY cause of the war, people, including myself, get skeptical. That is the issue I think people one the "left" have; Jack is creating as strawman who shuts his ears to the issue. They aren't doing that; they just don't like the dismissing of slavery.

When I see the recent CNN poll that 52% of Republicans believe that slavery was not a primary cause of the civil war (including 30% of Democrats and over 40% of Independents), I am shocked.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

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Lincoln - FDRoosevelt - nullification MYTHs

debunked! (. . . and we each have to keep on debunking for our yet-to-be-awakened family and friends' sake :-)

These are not liberals...

Liberals went extinct in the 1930's imo.

donvino

Big bump

Thanks for posting.

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Big bumpage here also,

and a nice new moniker for you as well, oh, troubadour of tranquility.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

When J. Quincy Adams stood for the Amistad slaves

I dare say this Supreme Courtroom scene from Spielberg's movie, Amistad, presents more of the understanding of Personhood that true Libertarians hold dear, than the abundance of platitudes from the North verses South on slavery, now being played-off as Big-Gov Liberals vs Neo-Conservatives to enslave us all under their oligarchy .

Kind gentle-persons of the United States Congress, House Reps and Senators of all the States, which represent Us according to our Federal and respective State Constitutions, under which you are sworn to uphold and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic, including those who would rise up from among yourselves to subvert it, and usurp it's Just powers to serve their own purposes; please pause to consider:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJwD5km_VrQ

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

"What possible good could come from such a place?"

Salient quote, if true: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0PE_kC-3EY&feature=related

Perhaps J. Quincy got his chops as much from his mom as he did from his dad..., and perhaps even more so.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

" the Negros will see to your trunks"

At 1:11 in the video re-posted below, it is easy to sense their repulsion, and identify with Mrs. Adams shock as she hears him continue, "...Here, you boy, get these up the stair,... and you, and you, get to it!"

Yet again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0PE_kC-3EY&feature=related

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Bump

another great video...

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