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What is the difference between a true American and a U.S. Citizen?

A child of American parents is born into this country without credit cards, no outstanding loans and no debts. As a freeborn American, they are debt free. Yet within a few days of submitting a U.S. birth certificate, they suddenly owe $42,000 to the national debt. What's wrong with this picture?

This begs the question: What is the difference between a true American and a U.S. Citizen?




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A bump for Ralph Waldo, whom takes pride in the Republic.

in sharing and especially educating others in American History and focusing on Ron Paul's topics like the FED and Ralph helps in good suggestions for political organizing. The archives have some fine articles and interpretations from many including .... Ralph Waldo.
Thanks Ralph.

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Citizenship

In Boyd v. Nebraska, 143 U.S. 135 (1892), the U.S. Supreme Court stated as follows:

"Mr. Justice Story, in his Commentaries on the Constitution, says: 'Every citizen of a state is ipso facto a citizen of the United States.' Section 1693. And this is the view expressed by Mr. Rawle in his work on the Constitution. Chapter 9, pp. 85, 86. Mr. Justice Curtis, in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393, 576, expressed the opinion that under the constitution of the United States 'every free person, born on the soil of a state, who is a citizen of that state by force of its constitution or laws, is also a citizen of the United States.' And Mr. Justice Swayne, in The Slaughter-House Cases, 16 Wall. 36, 126, declared that 'a citizen of a state is ipso facto a citizen of the United States.' "
See also Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875).

Moreover, there are a wide number of federal acts and executive proclamations which have used the term, citizen of the United States. Here are some statutes, the earliest of which is 1789:

1 Stat. 25 1 Stat. 26 1 Stat. 55 1 Stat. 520 2 Stat. 171

2 Stat. 780 3 Stat. 660 4 Stat. 115 9 Stat. 1001 9 Stat. 1004

The above links from 9 Stat., as well as the below, are various executive proclamations:

11 Stat. 753 (Proclamation of April 22, 1793, by George Washington)

11 Stat. 760 (Proclamation of July 2, 1807, by Thomas Jefferson)

11 Stat. 765 (Proclamation of Sept. 1, 1815, by James Madison)

11 Stat. 769 (Proclamation of June 7, 1827, by John Q. Adams)

11 Stat. 783 (Proclamation of Sept. 1, 1836, by Andrew Jackson)

11 Stat. 785 (Proclamation of Jan. 5, 1838, by Martin Van Buren)

[ http://hiwaay.net/~becraft/deadissues.htm ]

some facts

http://hiwaay.net/~becraft/deadissues.htm
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/UCC.htm

There is no difference between an American Citizen and a U.S. citizen. The idea that we are beholden to invisible contracts is not true. If you want to support someone for liberty, support Bob Schulz's http://givemeliberty.org/

Becraft was the attorney with Bob Schulz & Joe Bannister (former IRS agent) when they met at the White House about the income tax law.

I suspect the same as a true

I suspect the same as a true Canadian as opposed to one who has taken up roots and resides here. It's in the blood. There is no affinity to another "motherland" or "old country" You do not need a definition to know who and what you are.

What about "American Indians"?

Everyone else is a visitor or invader.

Thanks for being skeptical

Thanks for being skeptical & rational.

Do they really regard

Do they really regard themselves as American or do they identify with their tribal heritage and origin?

We all regard ourselves...

We Native Americans actually regard ourselves as part of mother earths natural cycle.We are governed by examples of the natural order of our surroundings,It just happens to be that our natural environment for the last 15,000 plus years is on the American continent.99 percent of the time we were a sharing,socialised,inter-trading culture.1 percent of the time we were a warrior class culture that served it's purpose in population control,resource conservation and prevention of inbreeding.In the end it was very successful for many thousands of years.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

There was a wide array of cultures and lifestyles

To lump everyone who lived here as one big culture is misleading and wrong. A great mythology has grown around native Americans and it's nothing more than wishful thinking and projection. I'm not saying anyone is good or bad in this; I'm just saying it's like claiming everyone in Africa shares a culture (most people think they do--they don't).

Mike you are correct

I also understand the diversity of Native American cultures,it just would have been too much to state in a reply that did not require such detail.

It must be agreed though that as a general over all culture we were sharing,trading and mindful of all resources availible,There was actually very little greed involved.All decisions were for the benefit of the community as a whole.

Personal self interest and greed came about later when a dominant religious culture decided to convert our heathen ways.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

My reply was for general consumption

Not directed toward you per se. American Christianity kills everyone it comes into contact with. Ever notice how missionaries preceed anthropologists and anthropologists preceed corporations. Such a crying shame what secular humanism has done to this world of ours.

Mike?

Thank you for your direction here.I was replying to the question "Do they really consider themselves American or do they identify with their tribal heritage and origin?"

Thing is we did not know until very recently in our long history that there was even other cultures or continents.Then when we discovered there were visitors to our part of the world we were not even sure what they were.

Kind of like finding out extraterrestrials were real without having prior theories or concept of this possibility of any kind.

Then we were told we lived in India due to a miscalculation of Christian knowledge.The word America was still at this point in history very mute.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Its obviously a contract of

Its obviously a contract of some sort. I know for a fact the birth certificate doesn't belong to the person who holds the certificate, they only own the certified copies.

A friend and I decided to take a ride to the State capital and inquire about viewing the original certificate with the logic that if it was mine I should be able to see it.

That didn't go so well, they refused and finally admitted the State owns the original. So.. if the state owns the B/C and the B/C is used for all other contracts going forward... isn't the State contracting with itself?

[These are questions I'd like to have answered on the private forum I created (link in sig)]

I reserve the right to govern myself.

owing debt at birth

I do not believe that argument is true.

donvino

The difference is

that a true american is not a u. s. citizen.

Ron Paul is My President

For decades the people of our

For decades the people of our nation have thrown the best party ever. However, they are expecting future generations to not only clean up the mess but also to pay for the party. It's immoral what we are doing to them, the future of our nation. It's not right to saddle them with these debts.

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the "government"...

is what's wrong!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Understanding the difference between a true American and a U.S.

U.S. Citizen, one comes to understand the problem more clearly. The U.S. corporation and it's financial system are a fraud because they did not fully disclose the terms of the contract nor get the people's consent when the imposter corporation was created.

Furthermore, debt accumalated by fraud and deception becomes null and void when the victim(s) declare it to be so.

None of this is based on

None of this is based on facts. Many people who promote these theories are involved in financial scams. Or to avoid income taxes which can be extremely dangerous to your freedom (e.g. Lynne Meredith).