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Why High Fuel Prices in The United States of America? Shouldn't This Be Stopped?

1.Almost every country can become energy independent. Anywhere that has sunlight and land can produce alcohol from plants. Brazil, the fifth largest country in the world imports no oil, since half its cars run on alcohol fuel made from sugarcane, grown on 1% of its land.

2.We can reverse global warming. Since alcohol is made from plants, its production takes carbon dioxide out of the air, sequestering it, with the result that it reverses the greenhouse effect (while potentially vastly improving the soil). Recent studies show that in a permaculturally designed mixed-crop alcohol fuel production system, the amount of greenhouse gases removed from the atmosphere by plants—and then exuded by plant roots into the soil as sugar—can be 13 times what is emitted by processing the crops and burning the alcohol in our cars.

3.We can revitalize the economy instead of suffering through Peak Oil. Oil is running out, and what we replace it with will make a big difference in our environment and economy. Alcohol fuel production and use is clean and environmentally sustainable, and will revitalize families, farms, towns, cities, industries, as well as the environment. A national switch to alcohol fuel would provide many millions of new permanent jobs.

4.No new technological breakthroughs are needed. We can make alcohol fuel out of what we have, where we are. Alcohol fuel can efficiently be made out of many things, from waste products like stale donuts, grass clippings, food processing waste-even ocean kelp. Many crops produce many times more alcohol per acre than corn, using arid, marshy, or even marginal land in addition to farmland. Just our lawn clippings could replace a third of the autofuel we get from the Mideast.

5.Unlike hydrogen fuel cells, we can easily use alcohol fuel in the vehicles we already own. Unmodified cars can run on 50% alcohol, and converting to 100% alcohol or flexible fueling (both alcohol and gas) costs only a few hundred dollars. Most auto companies already sell new dual-fuel vehicles.

6.Alcohol is a superior fuel to gasoline! It’s 105 octane, burns much cooler with less vibration, is less flammable in case of accident, is 98% pollution-free, has lower evaporative emissions, and deposits no carbon in the engine or oil, resulting in a tripling of engine life. Specialized alcohol engines can get at least 22% better mileage than gasoline or diesel.

7.It’s not just for gasoline cars. We can also easily use alcohol fuel to power diesel engines, trains, aircraft, small utility engines, generators to make electricity, heaters for our homes—and it can even be used to cook our food.

8.Alcohol has a proud history. Gasoline is a refinery’s toxic waste; alcohol fuel is liquid sunshine. Henry Ford’s early cars were all flex-fuel. It wasn’t until gasoline magnate John D. Rockefeller funded Prohibition that alcohol fuel companies were driven out of business.

9.The byproducts of alcohol production are clean, instead of being oil refinery waste, and are worth more than the alcohol itself. In fact, they can make petrochemical fertilizers and herbicides obsolete. The alcohol production process concentrates and makes more digestible all protein and non-starch nutrients in the crop. It’s so nutritious that when used as animal feed, it produces more meat or milk than the corn it comes from. That’s right, fermentation of corn increases the food supply and lowers the cost of food.

10.Locally produced ethanol supercharges regional economies. Instead of fuel expenditures draining capital away to foreign bank accounts, each gallon of alcohol produces local income that gets recirculated many times. Every dollar of tax credit for alcohol generates up to $6 in new tax revenues from the increased local business.

11.Alcohol production brings many new small-scale business opportunities. There is huge potential for profitable local, integrated, small-scale businesses that produce alcohol and related byproducts, whereas when gas was cheap, alcohol plants had to be huge to make a profit.

12.Scale matters—most of the widely publicized potential problems with ethanol are a function of scale. Once production plants get beyond a certain size and are too far away from the crops that supply them, closing the ecological loop becomes problematic.

13.Smaller-scale operations can more efficiently use a wide variety of crops than huge specialized one-crop plants, and diversification of crops would largely eliminate the problems of monoculture.
The byproducts of small-scale alcohol plants can be used in profitable, energy-efficient, and environmentally positive ways. For instance, spent mash (the liquid left over after distillation) contains all the nutrients the next fuel crop needs and can return it back to the soil if the fields are close to the operation.
Big-scale plants, because they bring in crops from up to 45 miles away, can’t do this, so they have to evaporate all the water and sell the resulting byproduct as low-price animal feed,which accounts for half the energy used in the plant.

14. Now those making $ 10 to $ 15 an hour can be barely afford one of these gas guzzling SUV's. It takes an average of $ 65 to fill up the tank of a midsize sedan. Let's up stand up and say "NO more" to oil lobbyists seeking handouts from congress. Despite record profits, Americans have had it with high oil prices.

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Have you tried negotiating

Have you tried negotiating with your local gas station?

Of course!

For whatever reason, they're not cooperating. :-(

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this any more!"
- Howard Beale

That sucks. Maybe they'll

That sucks. Maybe they'll come around eventually?

US Oil companies currently owns the FRN system

Trading oil for anything that is not a FRN gets bombs dropped on your head. Applying force in market is criminal.

Check out the DP silver thread or trade on Craig's list for FRNs.

I am going to keep my silver dimes and use up FRNs. For 97 years of Federal Reserve control the value of the dollar has shrunk. It is also their stated goal Seems like a good bet while that scam lasts.

Free includes debt-free!

Right, that really is all we can do.

Investors have been flocking to precious metals such as gold and silver as the value of paper currencies has declined. That's great for the purpose of holding something that will retain a certain value, unlike the toilet paper currencies of today. But,
when no one will accept the metals as payment for goods and services, what actual intrinsic value does it really have?

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this any more!"
- Howard Beale

Nothing has intrinsic value.

Nothing has intrinsic value. Things may have intrinsic properties which can be valuable, but not intrinsic value.

Empirical evidence has proven

Empirical evidence has proven an "extrinsic value". But not once and for all.

Free includes debt-free!

Oil is not scarce today, the US military makes it scarce.

Oil is not scarce today, the US military makes it scarce driving up prices.

Oil is actually plentiful in the short run; at least it was until we started bombing Lybia and creating turmoil in the middle east with the release of state department secrets.

The oil companies have a direct interest in seeing to it that there is continual conflict in the middleast.

The conflict drives up prices and sends their profits sky high while leaving oil in the ground for later sale at over inflated prices. The war/conflict map evolves over time but is always to the benefit of the largest foreign owned oil companies who's oppressive kings/queens own our debt.

Our military men and women are their mercenaries, protecting the the economic interests of the oppressive / bloodthirsty royals and their corporatist industry barons worldwide.

It is how we pay our debts. We are corporatist colonists loyal to defend our foreign kings' and their modern global corporatist (statist) colonial power structures.

Have to recheck, but at one time

Half the oil used by the US is used by the military.

Free includes debt-free!

"Ban speculative trading in those commodities." ~Gary Null

Gary Null's Stimulus Plan
http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/gary-nulls-stimulus-plan...

"The biggest glaring agenda item missing from this laundry list (Gary Null's) and s/b #1, is end the central banking systems (END the FED here in the US for starters) and fractional reserve banking practices.
Do that first and a lot of the other items on the list would fall into place.
That would make whomever an emperor, not just a king. Ha ha."
~Peace, Broadspectrum

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Progressives's regulations solve yesterday's problems.

Number 2 is funny. It calls for "re-regulation of interest rates,"

The problem is interest rates are 100% regulated instead of being set by individuals making and accepting offers in the market place.

End the Fed. Promote free banking competition. Look for square deals. That would be real progress.

Fun link. Going through it, it looks like most the issues Null described would be solved if there were no lender of last resort to remove the risk from risky behavior.

Speculation is normally risky, unless one is a member of the banking cartel. #5 #6 for example, would most often end with big losses. For an investor that is a big "regulation." that come for free in a open and free market without banking privileges.

It's interesting that the problems are well diagnosed, but the solutions solve yesterday's problems in a centrally managed market.

Free includes debt-free!

"I sincerely hope that Gary Null is successful

in getting some items on his list enacted into law, but to say that its unconstitutional to do it by executive order may be partially correct but what does that make the last 8 years?" ~bruin36 http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/gary-nulls-stimulus-plan...

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Hahaha

Umm, you might have clicked the wrong link.

This is the "Daily Paul".
You probably meant to post this on the "Daily Koz".

AS for your #14, I'm saying "NO more" to leftist lies and drivel which your post is slathered with, on this site.

To me, this statement seems true enough.

#14. Now those making $ 10 to $ 15 an hour can be barely afford one of these gas guzzling SUV's. It takes an average of $ 65 to fill up the tank of a midsize sedan. Let's up stand up and say "NO more" to oil lobbyists seeking handouts from congress, despite record profits. Americans have had it with high oil prices.

Specifically, what is your issue with it, BigT?

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

My issue with it

is that people don't have to buy "gas guzzling SUVs" if they don't want to. Or they can buy them if they want. If they buy them, then they can pay the price for the gas they need. It's their choice.

I'm not for oil company lobbyists seeking handouts, either.
I responded using #14 because he's saying what HE wants to say NO to, and I said what I am saying NO to.

But the rest of the article is so covered in total lies, or inaccuracies, that it can only be propaganda.
Alcohol is NOT even close to being a competitive fuel product.
Most of the "pseudo-scientific" argument in the OP is completely false. There is no "global warming", there is no "carbon problem", there is no "peak oil", etc. It's all just leftist crap that they made up to control the economy by gov't edict.
There is no merit in the article in the OP post.

Who the hell are you?

Who the hell are you to say someone has to compromise on what they drive? If some family has 6-7 people, it makes sense for them to have a bigger vehicle. Even if it's just the one time they all have to drive cross country for a funeral or something, why should they have to get stuck with such high prices? How about the people who commute longer distances because they can't afford local housing? Your "if they buy them, then they can pay the price" attitude is so elitist. What ever happened to letting the free market compete in the energy business so we can have alternatives to monopolistic gasoline? Oh, no. You and others here say we can't promote anything but more drilling because it's a conspiracy. Well, it sure is. It's the banks playing everyone against each other and they're using an issue that has some truth on all sides. They're just sprinkling in some lies to keep people in conflict (aka, divided we fall).

"AS for your #14, I'm saying "NO more" to leftist lies and drivel which your post is slathered with, on this site."

Well I'm sick and tired of your attitude against other people's attitude. You can't provide any proof of your "there's no..." rant because it doesn't exist so how about you take your lies and drivel to another thread. If you don't want to discuss it rationally, GTFO. Normally, I like reading your comments, but you've hijacked many threads now with mindless attacks and then start the name calling when it gets to debating facts. I'm ok with the debate, but I refuse to do so with you or the couple others here that think they're so frucking smart that no one else can be right. Too bad you're this way too because I would have thought you would provide a good challenge for the enlightenment of other readers.

"There is no merit in the article in the OP post." There is too. A great amount. There's also many errors, but you'll never give anyone a chance to discuss them. I'm not saying I agree with any big alcohol movement because it does have other issues and costs, but to dismiss every non-drillable alternative makes you look like you work for exxon. Get over yourself and quit fighting sustainable living, will ya?

My post clearly states

that people make their own choices.
That's "who the hell I think I am".
I'm a person who knows how to live independently(aka "sustainable"), but I don't feel compelled to shove it down everybody else's throat. I don't care what they do, and I'm sure not going to push anything on them. They can use what they want. I'm not out to "save the world".

As for "sick and tired of your attitude", just call it a mutual feeling.

Solving the wrong problem?

High prices?

http://www.coinflation.com/coins/1946-1964-Silver-Roosevelt-...

A gallon of gas is a little more than one thin dime when priced in silver.

Gasoline is cheaper than ever, when priced in silver.

Federal Reserve hides the real value of energy sources to protect their monopolies.

End the Fed. Legalize competing currencies.

Free includes debt-free!

Here's a problem...

No gas station I know of - national chain or otherwise - will accept "one thin dime" for a gallon of gas. In a nutshell, that is the dilema. Any suggestions?

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Trade some of your dimes to a coin shop for pieces of paper

THEN trade those worthless "dollars" to the pump jocky for gasoline.Happens every day all over America.

And the silver dime grandpa had in 1913

And the silver dime grandpa had in 1913 still buys much the same as it did in 1913.

I wouldn't hold those FRNs. Since 1913 they have lost over 95% of their value.

The Incredible Shrinking Federal Reserve Note!

Free includes debt-free!