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Donations to Gary Johnson apparently pay to help trash Ron - see below

from a post at rpf

" This is what your donations to Gary Johnson campaign are paying for.
Hyper links and everything to the new republic article. This is paid for by the GJ campaign.
This is going to help the RP campaign greeeeat

"But unlike Paul, he is pro-choice (except for late-term abortions), pro-immigration, pro-trade and untainted by bizarre conspiracy theories that NAFTA is a prelude to the dissolution of North American borders. Nor does he have Paul’s racist newsletter baggage. His signature issue is not abolishing the Fed or returning to the gold standard. Rather, it is avoiding the impending financial collapse by cutting government spending on everything by 43 percent — Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and defense — a plan bolder than any that either party has proffered."

The word 'racist' is a link in the site to the New Republic hit piece on the old newsletters.

See for yourself: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/the-pragmatic-libertarian


The blog on his campaign site has cycled, but it was up for a long time despite many, many complaints, and had to have been put up by his campaign, in the first place.

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Just fired up the DP...

but cannot vote up this post

"My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them".
Senator Barry Goldwater, Senator Rand Paul
and others.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

So Gary Johnson is an extreme

So Gary Johnson is an extreme backstabber.

I already knew he was bad.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

The "racist newsletters" was a "self-inflicted wound".

That non-issue SHOULD have been buried in 2008. It was not. Lew Rockwell could have told everyone who wrote the "racist" comments; he did not. Ron Paul could have pointed out the hypocrisy of giving Bill Clinton a pass on the credible accusations of rape; he did not.

Gary Johnson endorsed Ron Paul in 2008 when he had nothing politically to gain from the act. Does that not count for something?

I can not believe

people are not picking up on this!

This was at the end of article

The authors remarks concerning Rep. Ron Paul do not represent Gary Johnson or his campaigns viewpoint on the matter.


The original, with "Paul's racist newsletters" mention..

That hit stuff was edited out when the webmaster moved the article into garyjohnson2012.com, or edited out later (possibly at Johnson's request, who has a lot of respect for Paul, as easily seen in the LP debates and their convention). Who here watched the LP debates and convention on Cspan? There were a lot of kudos for Paul (a competing candidate) in their process.

It's probably also worth noting that the article was written in April 2011. Well over a year ago. I am 100% behind Ron Paul, and have been since 1988, but do we get up in arms over hit pieces against Dr Paul, then write hit pieces on Johnson?

One of the things I admire most about Dr Paul is that he is not a hypocrite.

Lost the plot?

What's going on here people?
With the current administration shooting itself in the foot, shedding voters by the score, and Mittens showing his real colors more every day..and Tampa on the horizon.
Can there be a better time to spread the message of Ron Paul..
The message of Liberty.

People are coming on here to seek guidance and insight from the RP liberty revolution, and what are they seeing?..
dissention, division, arguments and name calling!, and this is not just from trolls pushing their own agenda.

Come on people, step forward and stand united; agree on one thing..RP's message of Liberty and follow his lead to Tampa.
This is what it's all about.
Will he gain the nomination? I seriously doubt it, but anything can happen in this unstable political climate. Things are changing almost daily, and people are waking up..even politicians!(abandoning ship) and one thing is for sure, we will be heard..loud and clear.

So spend this valuable time to win the hearts and minds of everyone we can to the cause of Liberty. Support RP's message and his advice, and do everything possible to further the cause.
Plenty of time after the convention to reflect on what course of action is appropriate.
Don't spend the time reflecting on 'what might have been' because you didn't get behind the message of Liberty.

United we pose a formidable force, growing in numbers..'they' will come to us..they need our support, we have the power!.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

You are not telling the truth but people will believe your lies!

I encourage everyone to actually go to the link that sailingaway has provided and read the entire article at Gary Johnson's website and see if the words that sailingaway says are on the Gary Johnson website are actually there . . . strange that they are absent. Gary Johnson's web page quoted an article that included those negative statements about Ron Paul but did not include any of the negative statements about Ron Paul. They were definitely not included on the Johnson web page. You sir are dishonest and this story is a fail!

You are going to see hit peices on Gary Johnson, they are just like the hit pieces that you have seen many times on Ron Paul. They are the same kind of garbage! Gary Johnson's page does not have the words that sailingaway says that it does. Sailingaway is the one posting those words about Ron Paul right here for the world to see and google to link to. He is the disinformation agent.

Anonymous Libertarians

You are really pushing the envelope with your fantasy GJ world

Gary Johnson cleaned the article up. Quit being a jerk.YOU are the one being the disinformation agent although probably unwittingly because you probably didn't see this as it happened did you?

There is nothing in the OP that is untrue so knock it off and take your GJ nonsense elsewhere until after the convention.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Did the OP read the foot note?

"The authors remarks concerning Rep. Ron Paul do not represent Gary Johnson or his campaigns viewpoint on the matter."

Dude, just because he doesn't

Dude, just because he doesn't agree 100% with Ron Paul doesn't mean he's trashing him! Good lord you guys are utopian fools! I HATE YOU and the name you give me!

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us


I hate you?


"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

wat name

wat name were u given


While I don't hate these folks, I find them extremely ignorant. The OP is misleading and old news. And some of the comments are simply awful. What would Dr. Paul say about them, I wonder? He is a good model for tolerance and respect of others.

They remind me of religious bible-thumping fanatics. They just don't listen or learn.


Oh, the lost sheep in this world!

Dr Ron Paul is the only candidate who cares what happens to our country, Hw would return the power to the people and would do the job for $39,373. the others would take every dollar they can get because they are all "politics as usual". This Gay Johnson is just part of the 'establishment gestapo' and their ploy to do anything and everything they can to stop Ron paul. He is the only true Constitutionalist and the only real hope for this country. Personal gain is not and never has been his aim. Anyone who cannot see this, is just plain blind or stupid! I will support him and vote for him just as I have pledged to do! I will continue to boycott TV news in al forms and will do as much as I can to spread the good news about Ron Paul. What is wrong with freedom and personal liberty? Are you neocans all just plain crazy? Ron Paul is the only candidate who will shrink government down to where it should be. No one else will take on that chore. He will repeal every dictororial move Obama has made. None of the others will do this. Please THINK, for a change!

Carol J Goodwin

Everyone feel good about

Everyone feel good about being right and not doing a thing to convince the other party of your views? Great.

Maybe now we can get back to work? Tampa is around the corner.

Who would give money to gary

That is just too funny lol.

This is a joke right?

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Gary Johnson == Bob Barr

Bob Barr sucks!

Ummmmm, no.

Bob Barr was a rabid neo-con who claimed to have been cured.

Gary Johnson was always a libertarian and is more libertarian than Mr Paul, as libertarian as he is compared to Republicans.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Frankly Barr was more believable

Gary is flat out a CFR member posing as a libertarian.

I like Ron Paul

but that man does have better credentials sorry to say and if Ron Paul doesn't win that is someone to vote for that has our values at heart.

How does gary have better credentials?

Did you not hear his interview with Bob Wenzel?

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

The contest is not for Chief

The contest is not for Chief Austrian Economist of the US.

Bob Wenzel obsessed that Gary Johnson hasn't read specific libertarian economists. And that is a valid objection to a point. But he should have asked him, not what he READ, but what he BELIEVES. How he ran his state. What his philosophy was, how it worked out. How he would apply that to the Federal level.

Clearly Gary didn't know he was being setup. I think the interview demonstrated far more about "hard core libertarians" than it did about Gary.

That being said, Ron Paul didn't create a 1000 person business (though his campaigns have become a business), and has never run a town let alone a state.

That doesn't make Ron Paul unqualified, but you asked the question. That's what gives him better credentials, as well as being a better libertarian, rather than a social conservative nationalist like Mr Paul that leans libertarian on some issues.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

So did you join the DP just to post this one comment?

Mr 1 day and 20 hours long member. LOL, you guys are hilarious.

Care to debate actual facts?

Care to debate actual facts?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

of course not for one comment

they are here to try and split the movement in conjunction with the neocons in the GOP.

Trying to save it, really.

Trying to save it, really.

Ron Paul has been a vocal spokesperson and he is persistent.

But Gary is a BETTER spokesperson. He is less ideological and more common sense. He makes sense to more people.

He doesn't start spouting "Austrian School Economics" (while actually having positions opposed to ASE). He doesn't whip out "non-aggression principle". He speaks to people in a language they understand. In a way that makes them feel comfortable. He has the potential to bring far more people to the movement than Ron did. Ron got the movement off the ground, Gary is Stage 2.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"


one more down vote and this trolls rant goes away.
who is the lucky one to do it?

Thank You!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

And this one comment is worse

And this one comment is worse than playing kissy face with a man who repeatedly and viciously led the first orchestrated campaign since 2008 to smear your father as a racist because.....

Thank You Sailing Away

...and for those jumping ship (or who were never on our ship) please be respectful of those of us who will never jump ship.

I suppose *liberty* means different things to different people and many of us do not see Gary as having anything to do with Dr. Paul's platform or principles. Had the Libertarian Party gotten behind Dr. Paul, perhaps it would be different.

If I were to vote for someone the system would not allow to win (and they would never allow Gary to win, plus he does not have the support)..I would vote for principle and feel good about having done so.

To me, all of the posts promoting Gary are assuming the unthinkable is possible, ie. as Dr. Paul said, "why would you unite for all the wrong reasons." If we are, indeed "political capital"...the majority of us are not for sale. Period.