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Donations to Gary Johnson apparently pay to help trash Ron - see below

from a post at rpf

" This is what your donations to Gary Johnson campaign are paying for.
Hyper links and everything to the new republic article. This is paid for by the GJ campaign.
This is going to help the RP campaign greeeeat

"But unlike Paul, he is pro-choice (except for late-term abortions), pro-immigration, pro-trade and untainted by bizarre conspiracy theories that NAFTA is a prelude to the dissolution of North American borders. Nor does he have Paul’s racist newsletter baggage. His signature issue is not abolishing the Fed or returning to the gold standard. Rather, it is avoiding the impending financial collapse by cutting government spending on everything by 43 percent — Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and defense — a plan bolder than any that either party has proffered."

The word 'racist' is a link in the site to the New Republic hit piece on the old newsletters.

See for yourself: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/the-pragmatic-libertarian

EDIT -- AS OF THE NEXT DAY THE ARTICLE QUOTED ABOVE WAS POSTED TO GARY'S FACEBOOK PAGE.

The blog on his campaign site has cycled, but it was up for a long time despite many, many complaints, and had to have been put up by his campaign, in the first place.



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BINGO!

Good post.

Take that trolls!lol

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Will you still be writing in Ron Paul's name in 2064?

I wouldn't want you to jump ship . . . I'm on the liberty ship not the Ron Paul ship . . . sometimes the ship gets a new captain. By the way, the Libertarian Party was behind Ron Paul, I am one of the card carrying libertarians that has been fighting for him. We haven't given up on Dr. Paul either, we are just making the deadlines to get Gary on the ballot as a backup plan. Illinois had to have 25,000 signatures in last week. Do you think Ron Paul would have gotten as far with out all the libertarians fighting for him. I really find your statement insulting.

If Ron Paul does not get the nomination you might need to do the math if you would like to see him run 3rd party or as a write-in. This article spells out the rules for getting Ron to run 3rd party or as a write-in candidate:

Considerations on a Ron Paul - 3rd party or write-in campaign and the future of the liberty movement:
http://www.dailypaul.com/242672/considerations-on-a-ron-paul...

Anonymous Libertarians
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Please stop kissing garys johnson.
It is unbecoming of you at the DP.

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Rand Paul 2016

You'll be waiting a long, long time.

If you are going to not vote or just write-in Ron Paul's name until there is another Ron Paul you will be waiting for a long, long time.

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That's cool.

The only thing I don't understand is "Had the Libertarian Party gotten behind Dr. Paul, perhaps it would be different."

It is Ron Paul that elected to promote the libertarian agenda in the Republican Party. And that is great, too bad there isn't a Democrat equivalent. BUT that doesn't mean they shouldn't run their own candidate! Ron Paul failed. He didn't appear to want try as a Libertarian at all, so they went with Gary Johnson who was eager to carry the torch.

There is no choice mandated here. You can support Paul AND Johnson in the ways they are both asking you to do so! Ron Paul isn't looking for votes, he's looking for delegates. And Gary Johnson is looking for that which Ron Paul is NOT asking at this point.

You don't have to "jump ship". They are both sailing in the same direction.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Failed?

Its august and Tampa is over already? Get out of here with your spin. Dr Paul is still in the race and still racking up more delegates. Go back to the dailyjohnson with your neocon faux libertarianism

Everyone knows that it's

Everyone knows that it's over, including Ron and Rand. EVERYONE except the "true believers".

If you want to go to Tampa and give the Republican Party a headache, that's cool, we'll be cheering you on. But you won't change the actual nominee. No way, no how.

Explain how my libertarianism is "faux".

Do you believe putting people on the border to prevent migration is real libertarianism? How about flag-burning amendments? How about being anti-abortion? Anti-gay?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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Every single one of your comments get down voted.
Must suck to be garys johnson, eh?

eh? was written to annoy you!lol

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

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Did it?

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

After the blog post, it says...

The authors remarks concerning Rep. Ron Paul do not represent Gary Johnson or his campaigns viewpoint on the matter.

Regardless, our main focus should be to get as many delegates to Tampa as possible to help Ron Paul get the nomination or exact a strong influence on the future of the party. After Tampa, then we can shift gears accordingly to promote the cause of liberty. If that means voting for Gary Johnson because Ron Paul has been relegated to write-in candidate status, then I think all of you should keep an open mind and consider it strongly. As another commenter said in a different post, "I would rather choose the lesser of two goods than the lesser of two evils." Johnson has said some things that we all take umbrage with, but his record as governor speaks for itself. I would certainly feel better with him as POTUS than Obomney, and he would move our country in the right direction.

Stop bashing Gary. Stop bashing Rand. Focus on reforming the GOP, while at the same time pushing other liberty-minded candidates, regardless of party affiliation. I will say that we do not need any more Gary Johnson threads until after Tampa. The one showing his new ad was great, but the ten others were unnecessary.

Ron Paul - Tampa! Ron Paul - Tampa! Ron Paul - Tampa!

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

His record as a CFR member

says a lot more. He's there to protect the fed if they can only turn us to him.

He is not a CFR member - more disinformation for the gullible

This is right up there with the stuff I always see about Ron Paul being a 33rd degree mason and his biggest financier is a Bilderberger . . . Show me his name on their membership list . . . That's a little more difficult that spouting off lies.

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are you a trojan condom?

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I got upset at Gary when...

He had decided Ron was trash because he had only passed one "Constitutional" law in his career. He made it a very big point to bring this up. He basically said he is just another "lawmaker" like the rest. every libertarian should be ashamed of this idea even being considered as an "asset" for office.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Do you have a quote? People

Do you have a quote?

People had been saying that Ron Paul was more qualified than Gary and he simply responded that being a governor is better experience because it allows you do to something whereas being a Representative does not. It's also why he said he has no interest in any other position aside from President. He's an executive.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

John, I'm pretty sure...

I saw this in a youtube. I am off to town, but if you give me a couple of days I will try to find it. You may find it in the Johnson youtube archives. It is fact that he made these claims.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I understand, I saw him say

I understand, I saw him say it. But the point was that you can't change government by being a rep or even s Senator. Unless you can clone yourself. It wasn't about Paul and not meant to be a slam. He was just pointing out the reality of why it's President or nothing.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

You saw him say it.

and yet your last post in this exchange was acting like it didnt happen. dishonest much?

Agreed, Gary Johnson is a

Agreed, Gary Johnson is a POS. Even loves foreign police actions. Said we should leave afghanistan but leave our bases there. The guy's a fuckin moron

And Ron Paul wants to bring

And Ron Paul wants to bring them home and put them on the border. Which one is least libertarian?

Trying to avoid mass death in Afghanistan or preventing people from seeking better lives by moving to where the jobs are?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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Another LP mud slinger. You have been

dishonest on multiple posts here. One of the reasons we value RP highly is because he is a rare honest pol. You will not convince anyone here to support Johnson with your lies. Ron Paul does not want barriers, but he realizes the current policies that discourage full employment and jobs is worsened by non-citizens added to taxpayer costs with multiple levels of free "services."

Johnson also does not support a totally open borders policy. And he is not consistent about avoiding and ending wars of aggression. Whatever you prejudice against Paul is, you waste your time bring false accusations on this forum of people who know both libertarianism and RP far better than you.

I'm not an LP anything.

I'm not an LP anything. Never have been, never will be. I don't believe in parties and true libertarians wouldn't either!

No one could get elected on an open borders policy. But Johnson's theory is that get as close to the ideal as PRACTICAL and ELECTABLE. Being a purist that can't get elected doesn't do anything and even if they could get elected would cause massive chaos.

And, really, why would you accuse me of lying? What is my actual "lie"?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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All of your past statements about Austrian

economics and Wenzel were outright fabrications based on your lack of knowledge.
Further, you hold Gary to a lower standard than RP and bash RP for imagined or similar imperfections.

For instance? As I recall, I

For instance?

As I recall, I had to correct you several times on some of your misconceptions.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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For instance, I quote you from a past thread:

"And Ron Paul isn't a true Austrian school adherent, less so than Johnson, actually."
And from the same thread you assert that Wenzel was the idiot in his interview of Gary.

Those are only two of many silly posts you have made. Look I'm not trying to bash you, but you simply are out of your league in this forum full of people who actually know economics; you can't jolly them as if they were average, uninformed voters. Your target voter is the totally new person to libertarianism. They won't mind Gary not being very well informed himself on lib. principles. You can perhaps teach them some awakening information.

Personally I think it's unfortunate to split the Liberty movement and offer Lib. Light. but hey, it's all about freedom and individuals. We don't all trip along the same narrow path. We cover the spectrum from Liberty Conservatives to left libertarian anarchists. Many start as Conservatives and gravitate to more libertarian views as they learn more.

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Dont even waste your time.
LegalizeLiberty and this troll are the same troll.

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Rand Paul 2016

The immigration question is

The immigration question is one that disagree with Dr Paul on, you're right. I always have. As a libertarian I don't believe in nation-states to begin with, let alone national borders that represent little more than geographic monopoly claims on exaction of violence.

But you seriously aren't arguing that Johnson is even in the same school, let alone the same class as Paul are you?

Also, what about flag

Also, what about flag burning? Ending birth right citizenship? Anti-abortion (last I checked, that was a libertarian thing to be pro-choice). Proposing education laws?

No one is a perfect libertarian except an avowed anarchist maybe. Belonging to a party is anti-libertarian. Running for office is arguably anti-libertarian. Proposing laws is anti-libertarian.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Ron Paul opposed a federal

Ron Paul opposed a federal ban on flag burning but supported "unenthusiastically" in his words, allowing states to pass their own bans if they chose. It's an imperfect position, granted, but the legislation he was having to vote on was bonkers and left him in a position where yes OR no were imperfect votes. Yes just happened to be the least imperfect, and technically, constitutional vote.

Birthright citizenship? Again, it's a political tightrope because I do agree that the way the 13th Amendment is applied is not how it was intended. BUT, again, my least favorite of Paul's answers in the debates are usually immigration related. I like a no border approach and hate the idea of "citizen's rights."

Abortion? I've found Dr Paul's position on it the most thoughtful and honest I've ever encountered. Naked pro-choice when it comes to the elimination of life is just impossible to consistently defend from ANY position, let alone a libertarian one (and yes, I'm very familiar with Rothbard's argument on abortion). It's an issue that'll never be settled perfectly.

And as far as education laws, you'll have to enlighten me. I'm not aware of any education proposals by Dr Paul that involve a FURTHER involvement of state coercion.

Yes, legislation is an act of violence. But when a bill is proposed to DISMANTLE or REPEAL a previous act of legislation, yes, I'd consider that a libertarian thing to do within the framework of government. But I agree with you. Using political office to enact change is a vain pursuit, which is why neither Johnson nor Rand could ever hope to get a vote out of me. The ONLY voting that WOULD'T be an act of violence as far as I'm concerned would be for Dr Paul, as I couldn't imagine him ever doing anything but working to dismantle government, rather than pass NEW government.

Different schools but nearly

Different schools but nearly the same beliefs in the end.

If I went to a different school than you did, does it mean we can't agree?

I just find it unsubstantiable that Ron Paul fans say that Gary is a "fake libertarian" and Ron Paul is a "true libertarian". They're both impure libertarians, but they're both great choices.

In "I side with", I come up 98% for Johnson and 96% for Paul.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"