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Donations to Gary Johnson apparently pay to help trash Ron - see below

from a post at rpf

" This is what your donations to Gary Johnson campaign are paying for.
Hyper links and everything to the new republic article. This is paid for by the GJ campaign.
This is going to help the RP campaign greeeeat

"But unlike Paul, he is pro-choice (except for late-term abortions), pro-immigration, pro-trade and untainted by bizarre conspiracy theories that NAFTA is a prelude to the dissolution of North American borders. Nor does he have Paul’s racist newsletter baggage. His signature issue is not abolishing the Fed or returning to the gold standard. Rather, it is avoiding the impending financial collapse by cutting government spending on everything by 43 percent — Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and defense — a plan bolder than any that either party has proffered."

The word 'racist' is a link in the site to the New Republic hit piece on the old newsletters.

See for yourself: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/the-pragmatic-libertarian

EDIT -- AS OF THE NEXT DAY THE ARTICLE QUOTED ABOVE WAS POSTED TO GARY'S FACEBOOK PAGE.

The blog on his campaign site has cycled, but it was up for a long time despite many, many complaints, and had to have been put up by his campaign, in the first place.

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Career Politician

Fact. False Libertarian.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I was talking about Johnson,

I was talking about Johnson, not Paul.

I mean, I wouldn't hold being a career 24 year politician against Paul. And the whole thing about being anti-immigrant and a nationalist border patrol guy, and anti-birth right, well, that's all explainable. He's Ron Paul, you know.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Gary is a big fan of Ron

The corporatist are trying to divide us as is the ahole that posted this and we know the New Republic is a bunch of aholes..nuff said

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

no, GARY JOHNSON, the pretend

no, GARY JOHNSON, the pretend "libertarian" is dividing us because apparently some of us have VERY low standards. Gary's a shithead and an ignoramus at that. His foreign policy alone is absolutely schizophrenic and only marginally less evil than Hillary Clinton's which ain't sayin a damn thing!

Do you think Ron Paul is a

Do you think Ron Paul is a libertarian?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Yes, I do. Don't you? Or do

Yes, I do. Don't you? Or do you not understand the meaning of the word? When your circle of friends includes the likes of Rothbard, Rockwell, Mises, and Hazlitt, that makes you a REAL libertarian as far as I'm concerned. Gary Johnson on the other hand can't even name a thing Rothbard wrote and has admitted to never even having read Mises.

Do you think Rothbard and von

Do you think Rothbard and von Mises believe in closed borders and arresting immigrants? How about Paul's flag-burning amendment?

If Gary Johnson isn't a libertarian, Ron Paul sure as heck is not one. It doesn't matter what economcs books he reads. Austrian economics comes from libertarianism, not the other way around.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Arresting immigrants?

Now we know that is not true. What dirty trick Ron Paul smear bag did you pull that out of? You have repeatedly phrased it that way.

You are either:

Uninformed

Intentionally being deceptive which means liar in any other words.

Which is it because it's not too hard to find out where Ron stands exactly on this issue. All one has to do is go to his website.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/

Maybe you mean arresting illegal aliens and confuse them with immigrants right?

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Just by using the term

Just by using the term "illegal aliens" in a sentence proves you have no understanding of libertarianism.

That is a Neo-Con position, for one thing. Freedom of contract, freedom of movement, freedom to seek employment, life, liberty, happiness. All of that is pro-migration.

Do I need to quote Thomas Jefferson for you?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

You didn't read this did you?

When I posted it in response to you earlier did you?

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/

You haven't a clue that we live in a country that has these silly little things called laws. Deal with it or work to change them if you have the notion but do not think for a second that you or anyone else is going to turn this into a Gary Fest here because it is never going to happen.

Hey I've got an idea for you. Why don't you take a vacation to Mexico and overstay your time and see how fast you get thrown into jail and if you survive that get back to us.They have those silly things called laws too and happen to actually enforce them if you don't have enough cash that is.

"All of that is pro-migration." Sure pro migration legally is fine but that is not what has been happening in our country for decades and we are suffering greatly because of the invasion that has happened coordinated and carried with the globalist bought and paid for representative scum in DC.

Riddle me this. Where in any developed country in the world can you go without a passport,visa or other identification and just decide to live the rest of your happy little life and be fully embraced by the host country?

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

That's all fine and good, but

That's all fine and good, but you miss the point with your deflections.

Anti-immigration is anti-libertarian. You clearly have a serious misunderstanding going on.

I mean, hey, Mexico doesn't have true freedom of speech, so if Mexico doesn't, are you saying that is libertarian? Or what are you trying to say? If Mexico is for it, you're for it?

Or that Ron Paul can be as anti-libertarian as he likes, but you're going to call it that "just because"?

A Ron Paul would have denied von Mises entry to this country and he would have likely perished at the hands of the Nazis.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

It Was A Thoughtful Article For G And Made Some Good Points

why bring it in here to the Daily Paul though? I wish we could find who the actual writer of those damn letters though.

Have you read them yourself?

In context?

I looked a a few, didn't see anything.

Free includes debt-free!

He is Syria, hiding the WMD.

He is Syria, hiding the WMD.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Garry Johnson

The guy who got his clock cleaned in that last debate (thanks MOXNews for showing it). The other guy was a veteran and he totally destroyed Garry's notion of "fair tax." I actually liked him. I feel bad for the libertarian party. They have a guy who couldn't organize a campaign and had his followers frustrated so much. The one dog line he had apparently he stole from some other guy (though Rush Limbaugh took credit for it which is a whole other story).

The poop joke was given to

The poop joke was given to him by a comedian friend the day of or day before. But it's an old (but funny) joke regardless.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Bump for the Gary Johnson pushers

that shouldn't be starting all these GJ posts today when we have 2 States cooking.

Matter of fact his name should be forbidden here after this IMO and for never standing up and apologizing.

Here is the original article that was on Gary official 2012 website.
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/04/28/042811-opinions-colu...

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

He didn't write it and

He didn't write it and apparently they edited the heck out of it to make it nice for Ron.

He also didn't write some of the things Paul did and plant it in his newsletter to embarrass him 30 years later. Gary Johnson has been very supportive of Ron Paul.

I don't think anyone has asked him about it, so he hasn't brought it up.

Do you think him publicly apologizing for it would help Ron Paul? No! It would just bring it up. Instead, they edited the article to leave out Ron Paul and leave in the good things about Gary Johnson.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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Save these links to answer the smears:

http://www.takimag.com/site/article/why_the_beltway_libertar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmk8oCGNac0

Undoubtedly we'll need them over and over since the opposition has only smears and lies. they cannot defeat his real positions and policies.

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Make No Mistake

Big money will be opposing Ron Paul, and their insidious, snarky propaganda will be all over. They will take full advantage of the national RLC and other nominal libertarians that they can use to destroy the liberty movement.

Ron Pauls hope is a well-financed campaign with millions of individual doners, and some really savvy campaign people. If the people don't back him the big money will overwhelm him.

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If you don't, get acquainted. He is on the side of liberty.
Start here: Gospel of John 1:1

I was right there with you

until you dragged religion into it.

No Religion

Religion is man making things up about God.

Christ is God making peace with man.

Meaningless wordplay.

Don't you

understand it's ALL "religion"?

Just looked at the article on Johnson's site again

and it looks like the anti-Paul part has been edited out. HOWEVER, it is still in the original article at The Daily (which is owned by Rupert Murdoch) so if they have any sense of what kind of a wildfire they have started they should distance themselves from that opinion piece instead of just editing out what they don't like.

and the daily was linked to Gary's facebook page this morning

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Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

Face palm / head shake combo

There is simply no allowance for sloppiness at this level.

Individuals, not all the same

Things written on this site will be used against Ron Paul, just as what is said on that site is held by some against GJ.

This is a good reminder to write as though your words are going to end up on a campaign billboard - we hope not one belonging to the opposition.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

This site is not run by the campaign and individuals can post

here. That above wasn't posted on a supporter site. Those were Gary's official campaign page blog and GARY's facebook.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul