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Donations to Gary Johnson apparently pay to help trash Ron - see below

from a post at rpf

" This is what your donations to Gary Johnson campaign are paying for.
Hyper links and everything to the new republic article. This is paid for by the GJ campaign.
This is going to help the RP campaign greeeeat

"But unlike Paul, he is pro-choice (except for late-term abortions), pro-immigration, pro-trade and untainted by bizarre conspiracy theories that NAFTA is a prelude to the dissolution of North American borders. Nor does he have Paul’s racist newsletter baggage. His signature issue is not abolishing the Fed or returning to the gold standard. Rather, it is avoiding the impending financial collapse by cutting government spending on everything by 43 percent — Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and defense — a plan bolder than any that either party has proffered."

The word 'racist' is a link in the site to the New Republic hit piece on the old newsletters.

See for yourself: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/the-pragmatic-libertarian

EDIT -- AS OF THE NEXT DAY THE ARTICLE QUOTED ABOVE WAS POSTED TO GARY'S FACEBOOK PAGE.

The blog on his campaign site has cycled, but it was up for a long time despite many, many complaints, and had to have been put up by his campaign, in the first place.

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A non issue.

I've come to the conclusion that if the Gary Johnson vote affects the Ron Paul campaign in any way we are not nearly as big as we need to be. I kind of feel the same way about trump. I consider them the fringe candidates. We will see.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

I'm going to throw a wrinkle in here....

I'm not a GJ fan. Frankly I never looked at him until the other day on Freedom Watch, and he pretty much lost my interest and my vote.

HOWEVER, having said that, let's see what he does with this article that was linked by a BLOGGER to his site. He didn't write the article. He has, no doubt a staff that oversees his site, and they "allowed" this one on there..... but Gary himself may not have had the time to SEE this and READ it.

In RP's day it was a NEWSLETTER, now in modern times it is a BLOGSITE, but it appears to me to be a similar situation in which it is quite possible that this "slipped past" somebody and it doesn't represent anything that GJ would have endorsed or written.

I think we have to wait and see what GARY does here before we declare him to be the devil himself and condemn him to the eternal fires.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Plus while his blog has now cycled this out he JUST

posted it to facebook after all the complaints he received.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

He personally posted it?

Are you sure some staffer didn't do it?

He doesn't have 'bloggers' like an open forum, he has a

'campaign blog', and this stayed up after a LONG LONG time of people sending complaints. If they didn't know in the begining (and it was a choice by someone with authority to post his campaign blog to include it) his campaign certainly knew very quickly.

Ron with the newsletters was not running a campaign, nor was he in office, nor was he being a public figure, he was practicing medicine with no 'PR staff' and there was no indication anyone raised any fuss for 10 years about it. That he didn't write it is only part of it. He didn't KNOW about it until it was ancient history, and had no reason to be 'out there' checking what people were saying about him.

Finally, the next day, Gary changes this, but people were complaining on twitter and his facebook and his site for a long time with it remaining up.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

Hmmm.... interesting

I just went into this article directly through Gary's campaign site and you are right, the article has been changed to a much more positive style, and all of the nasty RP comparisons have been dropped.

I would bet that he has some OVERenthusiastic staffers who got a trip to the woodshed. I think the true test will be how he conducts himself from now on. Will he stay on the high road and in the arena of ideas, or will he sink again into the pit of negativity and personal attacks.

He is an "amateur" in so many ways, and we can all screw up on our first jump out of the shoot. We'll see. Should be interesting to watch this develop.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

IMO, they should not post any part of the article.

It comes from a Rupert Murdoch-approved source, and the original article retains all of the nastiness.

Having watched this and the other post today

I have to say that this is SO incredibly stupid on Johnson's part that is seems unreal.

He is an UNKNOWN candidate with no name recognition, who is polling at about 2%.... he's young and could easily run again in the future.... and to pull a stunt where he ALIENATES a group of highly motivated libertarian minded, YOUNG voters who will REMEMBER.... just seems almost - dare I say it - sabotage.

Either he is successfully sabotaging his OWN campaign before it even gets off the ground.... and is therefore INCREDIBLY stupid.... OR, someone else is sabotaging HIS campaign in order to NOT have TWO libertarians up on stage, thus making RP look less like a "whacko". This might be a plausible theory.

Johnson had, really NO chance in THIS election, and I don't even like him.... but this just seems a little TOOOOOOO "out there" to me.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

I agree, it's just plain

I agree, it's just plain stupid, which I know Gary is not. That leads me right into my theory that a wrong-headed staffer is responsible. This is a rookie mistake. Someone who only saw the positive comments about Gary failed to appreciate the negative repercussions from the other parts of the opinion piece. Maybe they did something as "unclever" as Google articles that profiled Gary, then post the first one they found without vetting it first.

LOL!

Yeah, Ron Paul is so anti-trade. Doesn't he always come out against trading with other countries???

Johnson must be pretty desperate for publicity or he wouldn't allow this trash on his site.

Omg, smearing Ron Paul like that is so dumb!! Well spotted.

Omg, smearing Ron Paul like that is so dumb!! Well spotted.

That's right.... so dumb

and that's why I think we should see if he was aware of it and what he does (see above).

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

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Good thing we know now

Good job finding this out.

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

Very disappointed to see

Very disappointed to see Johnson stoop this low. If this doesn't get removed soon I will not donate/volunteer for his campaign.

Instead of a money bomb, we

Instead of a money bomb, we should have a money siphon...the money that we were going to send to Johnson is now being sent to Ron Paul with a meter that shows the $$$ draining from Johnson's stash to RPs. Then after we raise a million in 24 hours we send a thank you card to Johnson letting him know we are glad he tipped his hand so we were certain who to send our campaign contributions to.

I met the guy and I'm pretty sure he would not agree

with the way the article was written, and especially with the trash talking against Ron. I am not going to jump to conclusions, as that seems to be treated like an Olympic event here.

Spitting coffee...

..."I am not going to jump to conclusions, as that seems to be treated like an Olympic event here...."

hehehahaha

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

You need to give thelibertypapers.org a visit now, because Doug

Mataconis is ALREADY sounding the racist alarm on Ron Paul. And if this website's behavior is anything like 2008, this little man is STRAIGHT TO THE TOP of any RP google search. And this is a nobody, yet GOT the top Google search on RP in 2008.

Now in 2011, look at what he and this site is saying. This is NorthEasterner libertarianism, essentially. They CANNOT stand any "libertarian" from a southern state doing anything at all. At one point, the author Doug Mataconis in 2008 states that he is a "national security libertarian" and that he is legitimately afraid of Muslim terrorism.... seriously.

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2011/04/21/former-governor-g...

Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, and the future of the GOP

Gary Johnson, I am writing this is a mood of intense disappointment in you and "moderate" libertarians you represent whom I thought Ron Paul may be too "extreme" to swallow in one mouthful, so to speak! However,if you, and your unbelievably dirty and disreputatable attacks on Ron Paul, cited above, along with your recent support--cited in Hornburger's excellent Freedom Daily--for torture, the suspension of due process,and keeping the infamous concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay for alleged or imagined "terrorists" open are any indication of your beliefs and ideas, then you are simply in the wrong movement, whether you favor ending the drug war or not!

Libertarians don't need you, whether you support Ron Paul or not! Even a "racist" Ron Paul--or anyone else--would be preferable to you because, unlike you, at least others, e.g. Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin, Romney, et al. don't yammer about "legalizing marijuana" and thus pretend to be libertarians! If you want to attack Ron Paul, or his supporters this time around, go join the Presidential campaign of someone like Donald Chump or Mike Hucksterbee! They need you more than we do!

Either grow up soon, learn about Ron Paul's IDEAS, and understand the reasoning behind his policy recommendations,advocate them proudly and effectively, stand by those who do, or crawl back into your hole with the other cockroaches!

We want..

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

Gary Johnson = potatoe

Remember when Fonzie jumped the shark in his leather jacket?

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oops... Wrong button.

That does it.

Johnson can go take a hike.
Gary Johnson you washed up hack. I hope your presidential intentions are forgotten as quickly as you will be you pretended heir to Ron Paul's Legacy. The gall... I didn't like Gary Johnson before this, I thought he was arrogant, untrustworthy and lacked critical understanding and resolve on a myriad of issues but stayed ambivalent to him because maybe he could help get some of Ron's message into the lime light and help Dr. Paul out during the debates. But after reading this shameless attack piece Gary's intentions are clear. Nothing but a treacherous pied piper, a hitman and a thug. The sheer idiocy and disrespect of going after Ron Paul. What a clown.

"Thus, unless he misspells “potatoe” or finds some other way to self-immolate..."

Yeah, well I think you just did it Johnson. Burn.

Those comparing this to the ghostwritten newsletters are fooling themselves. Those were obscure dusty news letters to a relative hand full of obscure people written in another era loosely supervised if at all. What Johnson is doing is now. It is on his PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN site now. To the WHOLE country. He is attempting to cash in and steer away what has been built up by Ron Paul for the past few decades and thanks him for what little attention he is getting by stabbing him in the back and throwing him under the bus. Johnson is a snake and should be treated as such. In this day and age its a trivial thing to edit, redact and apologize in an instant even if it was written by someone else. Its on his site and he should take responsibility for it. Yet I still see it there with no redaction or apology. As far as I'm concerned he is no longer an ally and worse than an enemy, he is a traitor to the cause of liberty.

Am I wrong? This really upsets me. Forgive me if I may not be thinking clearly or being too critical, but I can see no positive reason why he would do something like this.

Lame in another way...

...any site that only allows comments by facebook only is lame & cheap.

Gary - if you're reading this - you need to fire the clown that runs your site, because he(or she) is sabotaging your campaign. Hmmm... yeah, think about it. Sleep on it, and think about it again over breakfast.

Shame on you for playing the (false {and very, very old, toothless} race card)

Ron Paul is not your enemy.

Gary is being supported by the same blog as this one:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2011/04/21/former-governor-g...

and the author, Doug Mataconis, is the same author that is going to beat the Ron Paul-racist drum ALL THROUGHOUT 2012. He did it in 2008, and he is SWORN to do it again from right now until the election next year.

This blog wants Gary Johnson in 2012. Just like they wanted Bob Barr AT ALL COSTS in 2008. Ron is just an old used up racist to them. Believe me I know these guys.

Why should you care? Because in 2008, this blog put all these slanderous Ron Paul articles AT THE TOP OF GOOGLE EVERY DAY.

^^^listen to me here... IN 2008, MIDDLE OF ELECTION CYCLE, THIS BLOG WAS A T T H E T O P OF GOOGLE SEARCH FOR RON PAUL EVERY DAY. I SEARCHED FOR RON PAUL 20x PER DAY AT THAT TIME BELIEVE ME I KNOW!!

Lew did not write the newsletters

This is an urban legend. It is completely false. Ron did not write them. That is true. But neither did Lew. (And they don't even sound like Lew.)

Thank you!

I've been wondering whether the writing style was as obviously not Ron Paul or Lew Rockwell to others, not just me. I figured it was some college kid from the way it was written.

give it a rest

Gary is clearly going to be nothing more than a guy on stage backing up some of ron pauls points. No need to attack. Go after Pawlenty and Kittens.

I see him getting about 3% at most. Save the b.s. nobody coming to DP is really going to shun Paul.

My response:

"Wow! You JUST LOST my support for Gary Johnson. Way to go dingleberry brain. You should be saying what Ron Paul says but in Gary Johnson's own (if better) rhetorical style, but to attack Ron Paul and his supporters? NOT. Back to the honorable and NOT racist Ron Paul. (Your link sucks cause it fails to give one racist word, good job at spreading the lies, we won't be doing that to Gary Johnson, most of all because we have REAL issues to discuss)"

Treg

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You think GJ's style is better? Ron's not a great speaker but

GJ is worse. It's like he can't even look you in the eye.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

in the same breath

Dondero imagines he is speaking for Johnson?

What a coward, hiding behind Johnson's good name.

you're fired.

go work for trump.