Dual Citizenship is Treason
Submitted by James_Madison_Lives on Sat, 04/30/2011 - 13:23I am against dual citizenship of any kind. When you benefit from the blood spilled by patriots in the past, the least which can be requested of you is undivided allegiance. The United States is not like any other country, even though I am the first to condemn the crimes of our government, in Latin America, in the Middle East, and across nearly every continent in the world. Nevertheless, it is the greatest country in the world. A country is not its government. The fact that we are now being badly betrayed by our leaders and threatened by domestic traitors to the Constitution is another matter. We can recover. One small step is to outlaw what President Teddy Roosevelt called "a self-evident absurdity."
Roosevelt said "We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance."
For most of the country's history, dual citizenship was considered the equivalent of political bigamy. It is a recent development, dating from 1967, when the Supreme Court struck down a law that forced people to relinquish their American citizenship if they acquired another citizenship.
The absurdity gets worse. It so happens some people are subject to relinquishing dual citizenships, as was revealed in the case of Shamai Kedem Leibowitz, an FBI translator with a top secret security clearance who actually did act as a patriot when he leaked documents which might have been related to the NSA’s surveillance of U.S. citizens, and was prosecuted for it by Obama.
In article on Leibowitz, Politico noted:
"The FBI page on contract linguists says: "Applicants for the FBI Contract Linguist position must meet all of the following requirements: United States citizenship; Willingness to renounce dual citizenship.... Ability to meet all FBI Employment Requirements, pass an FBI Background Investigation, and receive a Top Secret Security Clearance ....""
It is also possible that Leibowitz was prosecuted for being behind the leaked news that Representative Jane Harman had allegedly been caught on an NSA wiretap engaging in a quid-pro-quo conversation with an Israeli agent.
Leibowitz is the grandson of a famous Israeli Torah scholar, philosopher and activist, Yeshayahu Leibowitz. He joined the defense team of a Palestinian activist Marwan Barghouti, and is a supporter of a "one-state solution" to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. He has also supports efforts divestment of U.S. institutions in Israeli bonds.
But I digress. The big question is, why are low-level employees subject to relinquishing their dual citizenship, but not U.S. Congressmen like former Representative Rahm Emanuel, later White House Chief of Staff, or those at the highest levels of an administration's foreign policy apparatus like Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, or Dov Zakheim? Emmanual served in the Israeli Army but not the U.S. one. What does that tell survivors of the USS Liberty?
The idea of liberty dictates that any human being can choose to be a citizen of any country for which he or she qualifies. That's his business. But any country could suddenly be at war with any other country. That is realpolitik. For the privilege of being a citizen of this great country, you must choose.
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I don't know where to start. Lets be blunt about one thing. Correct me if I am wrong James_Madison_Lives, but I believe you are referring to dual citizen Isreali zionist that have entrenched themselves in our goverment thru monetary influence in the political arena. As reported by RT (Russian TV) at least 35% of all political donations in this country comes from AIPAC (American Isreali Political Action Commitee) I would argue that it is much more than that. Thru this buying of our politicians we have a goverment that is subserviant to the policy of Isreal. You think this statement is incorrect? Lets look at the FACTS. I believe most if not all of the newly elected Tea Party congress people, with the exception of Rand Paul, have declared their allegience to Isreal by declaring the United States will defend Isreal at all costs. We know that before the elections that was the stated position of Congress. So who runs our goverment? Right after the 2008 elections there was a bill put forth in congress that stated that Obama would have to have congresional approval to attack Iran. Nancy Pelosi refused to bring the bill up for vote. Her explanation for this was her "friends" in Isreal asked her to kill the bill. I ask again, who runs our goverment? If you look at the recent shreading of the constitution, by recent I mean since Isreal became a nation, Who is behind most of it? The Federal Reserve Bank, ran by dual citizen Jews. The Middle East Wars, brought to us by dual citizen Jews Wolfowitz, Pearl, Rumsfeld and others. We now have three dual citizen Jews on the Supreme Court. When they have a majority who will they serve?
Our forefathers gave us a Republic that was the most friendly to liberty in the history of the world. We have lost it. How did that happem? We voted it away. Thru the buying of our politicians and the control of the media we have been subverted to a Lackey of Isreal by the dual citizens among us. So, yes I agree with James_Madison_Lives, dual citizens should be barred from participating in the political process in this country. They should not be able to hold ANY public office or donate any amount of money to the political process.
ugh no
you have to first prove the assumption that whatever this nation or its patriots "gave" (a debatable term in itself which assumes whatever the military does is the good of its people and everyone must be grateful for it whether constitutional or not) its citizens is in fact beneficial even on receiver's own terms.. if you claim that, then there isn't even a need for the constitution because central planning and whatever its claimed benefits are "good" for all automatically.
i don't even care about my secondary citizenship in terms of "nation loyalty" but i thought america isn't a "nation" in a conventional sense but simply a free land of constitutional law that allows talented and free individuals to gather and express themselves. people come to love one another through being allowed to freely exchange ideas, not because there's a central agency called government.
sorry your post reeks of violent/militant dictatorial intents. i often wonder why self proclaimed semi liberals and hard core 911-b4-liberty-issue people espouse strange claims, but as it turns out they also coincidentally read very few literature on liberty nor understand much of it. same with the anarchists. too many unqualified (not in a central planned sense as yours) people claiming to be libertarians.
and your post reeks of bullsh*&t
thought of graduate school?
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
graduate from where?
i was undergrad of ucsd and their engineering grad school was one of this nation's best (ranked first 10 or so) the year i was admitted. i considered going that route, but i thought better after i followed ron paul and peter schiff in 08 when i realized i would be graduating into a economy in a possible depression. i was hesitant to take on more debt to go to graduate school, but i did have some closet concerns until recently my investments started making handsome returns after i began learning finance and trading (~200k first 3 months this year)
so what school did you go to, how much are you making?
in other words, what public school did you graduate from that got you here making pathetic useless posts?
and i do have dual citizenship. am i treasonous now? why don't you try and do something about it. 9 out of 10 of your threads being 911 related and the one time you do talk about something else, it is this. *laugh
Actually I graduated from an Ivy League college
None of your business which. But I regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
Your answer here speaks volumes!
You either believe the goverments version of 9-11 or you know the truth about 9-11 and choose to ridicule "truthers" because you cannot refute the FACTS. You were a student of engineering right? I have to assume you studied some physics? How does a building only damaged on one side fall straight down at freefall? Thats got me baffled. I am sure you can clear that up for us "truthers".
Since you are a dual citizen if you hold elected office then yes you are treasonous. I must ask you, why do you need dual citizenship? Who do you have most allegiance to? do you believe in a one world order?
Your 200K in three months dosen't impress me. The kind of wealth your talking about is not real unless you turn it into hard assets and you don't do that by trading. I doubt you are smart enough to accumulate any real wealth and keep it.
What? You mean you believe the official story on 911?
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And I am trying to do something about it. I am advocating for a law which will force you to choose. I was born here, have been proud of being a citizen of the greatest country in the world, and became prouder as I learned the history of the civil rights era, our role in stopping the Nazis, Teddy Roosevelt's trust-busting when the robber-barons took over, and important legislation like Gideon v. U.S. and Miranda. I feel the country has been taken over by traitors to the Constitution, led by George W. Bush and continued by Obama and his shredding of the First, Fourth, and Sixth Amendments to name a few (the last embodied in Obama's overthrow of the right to a jury trial, claiming the right to assassinate American citizens.)
I know all about the dark side of our history, the shameful repression of the Native Americans, our war against the Third World as an empire. Nevertheless as flawed as the nation is, we still don't rocket each other's villages or commit genocides on each other as a result of disagreements.
I decided after 911 that we have a fight on our hands to keep our republic, and everyone should declare their allegiance. My country is under attack, and not by Muslims. I will fight for the country that I love, that has been so good to me, so my children can grow up free the way I did.
There is no bail-out country for me. This is where I make my stand. Here I die.
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
I think the problem with this
I think the problem with this viewpoint, is that it makes the assumption that citizenship is what defines loyalty to a nation. That without citizenship, one cannot be loyal to a nation, and possessing citizenship, one's assumed loyalty to his country is greatly enhanced.
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ok I am willing to consider modifying my position
to making dual citizenship illegal just for anyone who serves in a government post, such as congress or Pentagon Comptroller (Rahm Emanuel, Dov Zakheim under George W. Bush.) The rest, who cares. I'd have to think about it. I am still uncomfortable with the heads of major industries who ship jobs overseas being dual citizens.
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
Besides it ALL, anyone
under USA corporate law is a dual citizen. No one ever conceeded their origional BIRTHRITE Constitution. The USA government itself is a dual entity. That is why there exists two Constitutions.
Why do cyou suppose Washington no longer requards, WE the PEOPLE. You only think you have a voice. BE sure to vote. IT helps control the people. Remember , obeying the law is only for those who don't rule. We make laws as we go. Rule by need, and of couse by POPULAR opinion, not rule by constant. We live in a breathing document society. THE DEAD entity rules over life and breath. It's going to give you healthcare, which equates to life. It will take the place of G-d.
GUARANTEED. HA!
Just for your edification.
Pretty much...
... what I said below. I think this is very wise policy.
Now that is something I could
Now that is something I could support.
People should be allowed to have dual citizenship
There is nothing immoral or wrong about the concept of being able to live in two countries. To be opposed to this is kind of anti-freedom.
What IS wrong is serving in government as a dual-citizen - I agree that you should be barred from service of any kind - senator, congressman, judge, whatever. Clearly we can see that this is wise given the problems we have in this country as it is.
Other than that, you should be able to have as many citizenships as you damn well please if the individual governments will take you.
more Euro nuts
Dual citizenship was forced on us by our own courts. I assume they were following European law again on this because to my knowledge it's not in OUR law.
American Jews, Dual Citizenship and doing business with them
I have heard (in commercial real estate) again and again its an added risk to do business with American Jews precisely because of this Dual Citizenship. If you get in a contractual payment performance dispute, and try to take them to court, they can travel to Israel and claim dual citizenship. You will need go go to Israel to make your claim in court there.
The truth on this I am not sure, not personally involved in the matter, nevertheless, I have personally heard the threat time and again, which is in itself enough for me to take pause and asses the possible added risk. I am not sure what the level or uneven legal playing field is...
Any lawyers out there? Please lets us know...
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"they can travel to Israel and claim dual citizenship. You will need go go to Israel to make your claim in court there."
This is a problem with how the US government functions and not a problem with dual citizenship. If the business transaction took place in the US, and both are US citizens... it stands to reason that the court case should take place in the US. If the person flees the country or tries to pull this shit on you, they are doing something and should be punished.
Dual citizenship has problems today because government is corrupt and isn't doing the right things. The idea of dual citizenship is not the problem - it's the current implementation of it.
Should we punish anyone with dual citizenship?
What do you think would be appropriate? Death? And what if someone attends two churches? Crucifixion might be a good punishment for that. Can anyone legitimately root for two competing teams? If they do I say gouge out their eyes!
Once a Ford driver always a Ford driver. Anybody who owns both a Ford and a Chevy deserves public hanging. Miller man who swigs on a Moulsens, cut off his hand!
Seriously I think we are obliged to respect others' rights, not pledge fealty to a geopolitical entity.
New Hampshire and Ecuador.
Is this DP or dailykos?
this kind of childish remark is more what I would expect from the Kos kids. Are you really one of them?
No, I would expect you to decide if you wanted to be a citizen of America or somewhere else, and respect your choice either way. All the rights, protections, and privileges you have under our US Constitution should require that your allegiance is undivided. What do the think the Founders would have thought?
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
You expect me to meet hyperbole (dual is treason)
with an entirely sober response? No, I aimed to carry it out to its ridiculous extreme.
New Hampshire and Ecuador.
Not hyperbole. Why should you be allowed to vote here
when you have the interests of another country to consider? By definition you don't have only the interest of the country which grants you this privilege at heart.
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
OK, you've sold me.
I'll just be an ex-pat so I can continue voting for and donating to Ron Paul.
New Hampshire and Ecuador.
Street posts in Texas are
Street posts in Texas are designed so you can hang a six foot tall man from a three foot rope and still drive a thirteen foot six inch semi under it without his feet touching the top of a trailer.
I got dual citizenship and so
I got dual citizenship and so does everyone born in the U.S.A...
One from the territory I was born in(which belongs to the U.S).
Two from the U.S i.e. U.S. citizenship.
Before the U.S citizenship was created did you have 1 or 2 citizenship?
If we are weighing on on what we are "against"
I am against corporate citizenship of any kind but will remind my fellow DPers that one of the first items in the personal liberty arsenal (extending back several decades at least) is to hold multiple passports if possible. It has nothing to do with loyalty to one's land and everything to do with expediency. A decade or two ago I couldn't have imagined saying that . . .
Easy there tiger...
I have triple citizenship and it has nothing to do with my love of Freedom and respect for the American constitution.
I was born in the U.S. however both of my parents are immigrants... Father from Europe and Mother from South America. I got citizenship in their countries because I can. I figured if I ever wanted to live in those countries, I could.
But my citizenship has nothing to do with my love of liberty so your point is insane.
Bottom line: instead of looking at what passport people have, look at their ideas. It's their ideas that matter because believe it or not there are natural born Americans that are Communists or Socialists that pose a greater danger to liberty than "dual citizens".
The government is supposed to
The government is supposed to be loyal to the people, not the other way around.
I have been looking into getting dual citizenship
Anyone who has a grandparent who was born in Ireland can get Irish citizenship.
http://www.ireland-fun-facts.com/irish-passport.html
My future baby's mama is from Mexico, so my kids would be eligible for triple citizenship. I say the more the better, except for politicians; they shouldn't be allowed to be dual citizens, it's a conflict of interest.
I'm on a layover in Laredo,
I'm on a layover in Laredo, and these Mexican women are stunningly beautiful and unusually friendly and receptive. I couldn't see myself marrying anyone other than a young smoking hot Latina. Good for you!
Woah, be careful in Laredo
We were just on vacation in Baja, I had a hard time keeping my eyes to myself. LOL
I'm a very lucky man; my fiance is really beautiful, super smart, and loves it when I act with machismo. She going to make a great wife and mother.
Americans could learn a thing or two about values and family from Latinos. Mexico is a great place to be when you can visit it with a native, and except for the gun control laws, they are way more free than we are here in the US.
Foreign born Latinas make the
Foreign born Latinas make the absolute best wives; they're all too easy to fall in love with!