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Why We Know They Are Lying About Bin Laden Story

They have been caught in many lies before, and the circumstances of this "triumph" are so cheesy and convenient it is a comedy.

- Dr. Steve Piecznik, the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Nixon, Ford, and Carter, who said he would name a general on Wolfowitz's staff who told him 911 was a false flag to a federal grand jury, says OBL had Marfan Syndrome and was dying of it even before 911. In addition he was a diabetic who required dialysis twice a week. He was a very sickly man. Most experts agree he died sometime in December of 2001, perhaps killed or mortally wounded at Tora Bora.

- Pieczenik says the "Situation Room" picture is an outlandish joke, taken straight out of the Tom Clancy novels he co-authored. HERE is what the real Situation Room photo should look like.

- SEAL team 6 is a black box unit which officially doesn't exist and can never be identified or interviewed. How convenient. Obama "meeting" them is as big a lie as the Situation Room. BusinessInsider: "Officially, the team's name is classified and not available to the public, technically there is no team 6." Dr. Piezcenik, who worked with and helped create Special Ops units, says this is not to take away from the courageous and loyal Special Ops who do exist in the services, but that the SEALs are the most "politicized" of the units, and patriotic Americans have a duty to question whenever they are used in secret operations. The secrecy is such that even other SEALs can't know who they are.

- The image of OBL watching videos is ridiculous. He would never allow himself to be filmed in a ski cap. The turban is a badge of faith and without it one is considered "undressed."

- Dumped into the sea. All you need to know for getting rid of evidence and further DNA confirmation. Also Muslim burial at sea is prohibited except in the case where one dies on a ship, to prevent the spread of disease. On one hand Obama says he does not want to inflame the Arab world by releasing photos, and on the other hand desecrates the body according to Muslim tradition.

- The wealthy bin Laden family's connections with the Bush's and the American oil industry are well-known, as is the Bush administration's decision to allow family members to leave the country immediately after 911, when all other air traffic except military was grounded:

http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html

- We know they are lying because the 2001 "confession video" was such an obvious fraud, with "bin Laden" not even a close likeness. Different nose, broader forehead, higher cheekbones. This is the video which inflamed the American public and has "bin Laden" boasting about the success of the attacks and "pieces of infidels" flying through the air.
IMAGE HERE
http://911lies.org/images2/not_even_close.jpg

- Another fraudulent video was released in 2007 in which bin Laden's beard was blacker than 3 years before, despite Muslim prohibitions against dying the beard black, which is haraam (forbidden.)

A CNET article explains other problems with the 2007 video here:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9777136-7.html

Although taking credit for other attacks on American military targets such as the USS Cole, bin Laden immediately denied involvement in 911 saying "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations." This is strange because the point of a terrorist attack is to instill fear and take credit.

The Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden three times after 911 upon the presentation of evidence of involvement, but Bush refused. In the last offer no conditions were attached except that he would be handed over to a country where he would be tried under Shiara law, which Bin Laden agreed to.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_...

- Even the new bin Laden photos are obvious fakes. Nose too wide, eyes spaced too far apart.

Dr. Pieczinik:

"The event of 911 was carried out for one purpose...to mobilize the American public to go to a war that they didn't need that they knew nothing about where we had pre-positioned soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq 6 to 9 months beforehand, ...it was based on Paul Wolfowitz's, Dick Cheney's, Bush junior, Steve Hadley, Elliot Abrams, in the White House, Khalazid, Dennis Ross who is still an envoy...Condoleeza Rice, all the people who were in the military particularly the Air Force generals who were involved...I was even told by a general on the staff of Wolfowitz, I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who that name was so we can break this open.." -- Dr. Steve Pieczenik, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Nixon, Ford and Carter, former US Navy Captain. Served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker. member Council on Foreign Relations.

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this man is another questionable source.

"I will go in front of a congressional committee to name the general".... really ?? If this was credible it would already have happened and it would not show up from a feed on the net ..

Again, the government lies? Nooo!

Golly, lets analyze the lies and come up with all kinds of theories as to what might or could have actually happened. That'll be productive.

How about this instead? You realize that you've been lied to yet again. You realize that it's your willingness to believe that the people who are lying to you now will continue to lie to you in the future. You realize that ANYONE who might be in that position will most likely do the same thing; lie. And then them most important part... YOU stop granting them legitimacy.

A Few Supposed Facts

1) OSB was living surrounded by a high wall with razor wire on top.
2) He didn't have access to internet or telephone.
3) Pakistanis said they found no weapons, only bodies.
4) One of the wives said she never left the compound for five years.

Hmmm? Sounds like a man in prison. Was OSB under house arrest?

an outside possibility

if true we couldn't have him walking around telling people he had nothing to do will 911, could we? I still say dumping the body is a smoking gun. Islam prohibits making any other shrine but the Propht's. They don't have shrines. They could have buried him in an undisclosed location with someone knowing where he was in the case of troublesome DNA questions coming up, just like they are now.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

I'm amazed at the lack of weapons.

After the Pakistani claim of no weapons, the claim now is the SEALS took some weapons with them.
Still I'd expect bin Laden to have been armed to the teeth.
There's a reason why this was not so. Something is screwy about the whole story.

yep. BBC now reporting neighbor says was not bin Laden

bin Laden, the guy watching TV, His name was Akhbar Khan. it shows how stupid they think we are that we'll believe the head of worldwide Jihad would allow himself to be filmed in a bummy looking ski cap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJduLyB_yO4&feature=channel_v...

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

The official story isn't even

The official story isn't even remotely credible. 13 point approval boost? How gullible are people? The whole story is completely moronic. They should fire the script writer on this one. Back in the old days, they handled it better: "JFK was killed by Lee Harvey with a magic bullet, case closed! Go back to sleep America." ...actually the scripts weren't all that great back then either. Americans have always been pretty gullible.

More Lies/False Flags?

yes, it continues, to make more wars.
am not sure if this has been posted on DP before, Alex Jones interview with Webster Tarpley:- Next False Flag Terror Op will be Blamed on Pakistan's ISI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huO0g7hpeF0

Defense is to let them know, as NFL truth-seeker Mark Stepnoski

says, that people have become too "hip" to the tool of false flag. Alex Jones is running a "Red Alert: Help Stop False Flag Terror" call campaign to politicians. They can't be happy that it is busted all out in the open that we know what they are about, and at the very least the interns who answer the phones and take the messages, if it happens, will look at their bosses sideways forever after. With over 80% of people already rejecting official 911 story, another false flag carries real political peril

http://dailypaul.com/164046/red-alert-help-stop-false-flag-t...

Dallas Cowboy truther Mark Stepnoski:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9af-OQRVm4

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

thanks, 911 +

JM-Lives, thanks for the links, you have really done your research for 911. now I know why/how you had the confidence, facts and reasoning on the other thread which grew to 4 pages, where you received 11+ 8+ 7+ positive votes just on page one. I did not see the other pages, but I read your posts and those from Big_T. Like most of the others who gained knowledge and appreciated - I did not post just voted +.
You are right it-(false-flag news) should be circulated, that is the best defense, let as many know, specially near the PTB chambers, bottom-up, from the small guy, guards, peons, clerks, then officers to directors, all of them.
Let there be a barrage, that we see & are aware, and make it known to "them".
with best wishes.

Renal disease

is a complication of Marfan's Syndrome. Interesting...

"The event of 911 was carried out for one purpose...to mobilize the American public to go to a war..."

Yup.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

More then that.

Gold is missing.

This is how I feel:

an agreement was reached so the US could save face and most of the troops will come home and boost the economy just before the next election.
The folks over there are getting angrier by the minute and want us OUT.

I was thinking the same thing at first. But when I saw the

intensity of the bin Laden disinfo campaign I also suspected another false flag was in the planning, as support for the war on error in Afghanistan was at an all time low and the pols looking at a dollar meltdown and real economic crisis sometime this year. Martial law powers would be handy to have in such an event. In addition The One has escalated his crackdown on peace activists, under the phony pretense of looking for "material support" for terrorism based on political views, which is blatantly unconstitutional. You need probable cause of a crime, not suspicions and fishing expeditions. Last you have Obama's first exercise of his claimed assassination powers at about the same time, against American citizen Awlaki. I'm taking all this as a pattern.

"Obama Escalates Attacks on American Palestinian Activists"
http://www.stopfbi.net/

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

What would be a beautiful thing

Just think of all of those angry individuals who served overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq, probably half of them RON PAUL supporters!!!

They have been there, they have lived the lie, THEY KNOW WHO IS BEING LIED TO AND WHO IS DOING THE LYING!!!

The message of peace could surely resonate amongst then, and turn the whole "support the troops" message in support of Ron Paul. Vote for Ron Paul if you're patriotic because the military rank & file are!!! Works for me!

So I say to Obama, etc., bring them home if you think you can get them to vote for you!!!

Just try it.

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RON PAUL 2012

I've got an idea!

Let's scare off as many potential Ron Paul voters as possible with talk of government lies and bin Laden being killed long ago.

That has to work right?

Can we please stop with the typical DP bullshit and focus on one thing! GETTING RON PAUL ELECTED!

I am so tired of seeing the same old shit on this forum all of the time. Do you want Ron Paul to be your president or do you just want to claim you know what "really happened" all of the time!!!

Give it a rest already. Why not use this site to promote Dr Paul and nothing else! The domain name is DailyPaul not the DailyCrackPotTheory.com!

If it's meant to be it's up to WE!

Side Note:

My laptop is running out of power and I have to go to bed. I have left this site before and am pretty sure I'll do it again.

If you guys don't grow up and start thinking about what we are really trying to do here it's over. You do more harm than good to the movement.

Think about it. OUT!

If it's meant to be it's up to WE!

420

420 - That wouldn't scare anyone off from RP, would it?... noooooooo.
Do you now see how silly your stance is?

Rush Limbaugh is beginning to question the Official Party Line.

If anything, the word is spreading. People are questioning. When folks inquire, they want answers. They will dig. Maybe they will find RP.

You can do what you would like, but I don't think RP's campaign is dependent on whether or not you post here or not. Unless, of course, you insinuate that you would sabotage Ron Paul's 2012 run because you don't like what some people post on a Ron Paul fansite...

How Libertarian of you.

I just noticed

The person with the knit cap, watching TV, is clearly right handed, as they use the remote with their right hand, and hold it like a right handed person. Bin Laden is left handed, as you can see in the early videos of him shooting rifles, etc.

Plus I read somewhere else that the ears are wrong - which seems true too.

I'm left handed but generally

I'm left handed but generally use the remote with my right hand.

Excellent catch.

I wondered about that too. I vaguely remembered people fearing him because he is "left handed".

Lets see them explain that one. I am right handed and I operate the remote with my right hand.

wheres this video?

link?

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

video

here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-home-videos-re...

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Please every one call Judge and ask him

to invite Pieczenik on. He knows the people on this site are his bread and butter.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Remember who runs the show

and what is to be the end game. Prophesy explains it all.
It's end is the ONLY game they got.
GOD has them boxed in from all sides, bottom to top.
God always corrects bad behavior from HIS family. He uses other Nations and people to do it. In the end MERCY will abound for HIS family.

Rejoice if you are one being corrected or repentant for this says you are HIS. Conviction only comes by way of the SPIRIT.

I was at an event this wknd & casually quizzed people...

they all thought Osama was killed. I asked if they saw the part with the false door that was bricked up. No one had. I said I saw it a lot & couldn't figure out how, with our satellite survelliance equipment, we didn't know every single door in the place that was used, since we watched the place since Aug? How could the first door they picked to charge be a false one? How come they didn't know every room in the house? They'd know every sq inch of that place if it had been an indoor marijuana farm in CA. How come we hear nothing about the other people in the house? How come it wasn't secured for our country? Dontcha think there has to be a lot of stuff buried outside? If Osama was really there, I would have secured all escapes, thrown in poison gas, killed everyone & then looked thru the corpses & stuff at my leisure. Why all this drama & risk their way?

now many of your questions won't be answered

they are destroying the compound so it won't become a 'shrine,' which is stupid because Islam forbids shrines except the Prophet's. Also, what keeps them just from visiting the ground as a shrine anyway? it stinks of destroying evidence, just like the body dumped at sea, just like the WTC steel and Pentagon debris.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110509/us_ac/8443491_bin_ladens...

Also Arabs know 911 was a false flag and Osama has been dead. They don't need him any more, as a symbol of resistance. They are showing they are men by winning real freedom from real tyrants, in Egypt and Libya.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

I have to ask...

... but who really gives a damn at this point? Think about it.

If it was a legitimate event, and he really was killed, no one is going to believe it. If it didn't happen, let the masses think what they will. If they haven't figured it out by now, they never will. Realize it for what it is and move forward. Regardless of political affiliation or personal conviction, people are individually going to believe what they want; it is futile in these cases to try and convince one side or the other of who is right. Frankly, I suspect that is what government wants anyway, because this latest tidbit draws a LOT of attention away from what they are up to.

So again, why bother wasting time debating, speculating and theorizing on who is right and wrong? It's irrelevant information in comparison to what you can verify. Believe what IS, not what you perceive, or else you are simply spinning your wheels and getting nowhere. We KNOW the market is crumbling, we KNOW who the culprits are, we KNOW who is empowering them, and we need to correct it.

Stop worrying over trivium and work on the tangible situations.

It's already been on the Propaganda Networks

They've already started the mantra - "Is Barack Obama beatable at this point?" - over and over, every network including FOX.

The GOP/RNC/Chicago School Fascists are already using the Quigley Principle for 2012. They and their DNC brothers have already agreed to give Obama a second term. That is why the field of candidates, with the exception of Dr. Paul and Johnson, is laughable. Presidential terms are 8 years now, like it or not.

Nonetheless, that is why it is important. I will agree also that perhaps the masses are too mind controlled to even question anything at this point. So, you are right in the sense that we need to find another "in" to break the cult behavior before we can show them truth.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

They are rounding up a quorum of idiots to pump up support

for the war on terror, since Afghanistan was dropping through the floor even for Republicans. When even Trump says, 'get out,' it's played out. Next you shout about a new villain in town who literally wears a black mask and a cape, and slaughter some more sheeple with another false flag to keep them good and scared, and compliant. That way anyone thinking of organizing work stoppages when the dollar crashes and people lose everything can just be rounded up and taken away.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali