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Ron Paul Texas Straight Talk 5/16/2011: How Much Freedom Do We Have If...?

How Much Freedom Do We Have If We Can't Even Drink Unpasteurized Milk?


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or fly to a funeral from any state but Texas

without having our Fourth Amendment rights violated, or get an exemption to Obama care,...or practice alternative medicine, and the list can go on and on.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Oh yeah!

I drank raw milk from birth until 18 months. My 3 sisters and brother also. Both my grandkids.

Knowing the provider is important.

Free includes debt-free!

amazing

I was growing up in Communist Poland & drinking raw milk often and it was legal...

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Mom didn't even need a license ;-)

OO

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I had a person yesterday

tell me that Ron Paul's Libertarian views (freedom of choice) trouble her because it makes immoral things legal.

Heavy sigh...

[In the same forum another said she was ready to vote for him but he was in a filthy movie so he lost her vote. Even heavier sigh...]

I am taking a break from trying to help others understand that they don't need the government to make moral choices for them. I am afraid the general public is truly conditioned to the "government-tell-me-how-to-live" mindset because they don't know what it was like to have little or no government intervention...like it was about 100 years ago...it's as if they are afraid to 'leave the nest'.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

A different angle

First post, long time reader of the DP. On this one particular issue with consumption of raw milk, I'm having difficulty siding with the good doctor. First off, let me agree that it's absurd we have gov food cops armed to the teeth out there arresting amish farmers, or govt thugs arrest people for making coins in SC. I also agree that we should have the freedom to put into our body whatever we choose to; it's our body, not the state's. That being said, it's well known that poorer quality raw milk was a large cause of whooping cough. A very contagious disease that can result in death, especially with babies. This is where the rub comes in for me because you start affecting other people's liberties and freedoms. If I consume some poor quality raw milk, catch the whooping cough and it spreads to my neighbors kids and they die or become seriously ill cuz of it, then what should happen? Should me, and the producer of this milk get sued and/or penalized, should we both get off scott free and chalk it up to bad luck? Now if there is an economical way to test for the bacteria that causes the whooping cough (and there probably is) without having to pasteurize the milk, then I'm all good with this. I'm open to suggestions or how you'd answer these question. I think we can all agree that we should have the liberty to do what good or bad we want with our own bodies, so long as we don't infringe on other people's health/bodies/freedoms.

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Far more cases of disease occur by pasteurized milk.

It is true that all milk needs to be tested. Pasteurization is no guarantee, and in fact is relied upon too heavily for cleaning up poor milking techniques, diseased cows, and poor sanitary conditions on the farms.

You should have listened to C-t-C AM last night. This entire subject was discussed with regard to the Amish farmer's life's milk being sucked dry the government.

The government is the disease, not unpasteurized milk.

You might have answered your own question

If a producer sells a poor quality or contaminated product directly related to their business, the remedy is already in the court system, the same remedy you have with the chemically laden, mass produced, government approved 'safe' products.
Interestingly, the home remedy for whooping cough involves drinking milk. lol

As for milk, here is some other ....food for thought.
http://www.1leaks.org/index.php?page=view/article/52/Pasteur...

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/milk_history.html

That makes sense

This make's sense to use a law already in the system for bad food products. Thanks! Raw milk is definitely better for you, assuming that the cow is raised by a responsible farmer and has access to good feed. However, not everyone is responsible. I also agree with the previous answer that pasteurization opens the door for more poor milk since they just use the pasteurization process to clean out the impurities. That being said, I'd rather drink poor milk that's been pasteurized than poor raw milk.

By the way, not sure why people are downgrading my point. Just because it's a different viewpoint, and asks the question doesn't mean it should be voted down. One great thing about Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters in general, is they are some of the most introspective and critical thinkers in grassroots politics.

HEY EPA

YOU SUCK!HEY TSA.YOU SUCK TOO.I could go right on down the line with most of there alphabet soup of tearany.I mean what are they good for? Absolootly nothing.Im beginning to wonder if a peaceful revolution is the best way to acheave the goal of more LIBERTY.I dont need this shik in the morning.Ahhhhh

I love liberty like fresh cool air in my lungs.I love freedom like fresh cool water on my tongue.I love peace like the smooth skin of my sweet lady.And Dr.Ron Paul is the hero I believe will change the world.

I can't believe Dr. Paul even has to say this in 2011

I mean... really? We actually *need* someone to say what I think would be so obvious? Is our world really that philosophically in the stone ages?

Put another way, the majority of people actually need to be told that shutting down a person's milk business is wrong? They need to be told that? They don't already know it to be true?

What is our world coming to?

As insane as the government is, I can sometimes see how they get philosophically duped into passing some of the really bad laws that we have - like the minimum wage... or universal health care.

But when it comes to laws against milk products... there is NO excuse. How could any of the people in government thought this was a good law unless you were working for the corporations?

There is no excuse. Ron Paul's position is so philosophically easy to understand that a 5 year old would get it. But the 'children' in the government seem to think otherwise.

What a joke. I am outraged.

Ron Paul....

killing it for the past 30 years. Let's end these phony Government departments now. Bye Bye Barry The Revolution Is Picking Up Steam and this guy is going to come at you with the truth so maybe you'll need homeland security to guard the voting machines and after the election you can mandate that the machines were a terror threat and bury them out at sea, Four More Years!!! USA! USA! Diebold will be more of a threat than Obama. Ron Paul That's All 2012

9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2012

Ron Paul is really amazing!

For bringing the truth to the public and for all his hard efforts to get rid of the atrocities, to direct us to a more honest world!

Btw, raw organic locally produced milk is healthier for most then pasteurized milk. And even if it wasn't, the nanny state is unhealthier then anything else.

Here's the Washington Times article on this travesty

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-a...

For all the raw milk they received during this lengthy sting operation, there is NO mention of any problems with the whole supposed purpose they claim to be protecting the public from, namely, "harmful bacteria such as salmonella, E. coli and listeria."

This is because raw milk farmers must prevent sickness in their cows, and treat any type of infection in their cows seriously. I know first hand as I am fortunate enough to live a few miles of a raw milk dairy farm.

Not so with big industrial farms. As long as the milk from their warehoused cows is properly pasteurized, it can be full of dead bacteria and their waste products, and still be sold as grade A.

"Pasteurization was first introduced in the United States in the late 1800's because cheap and dirty milk production was making people seriously ill. Nicknamed "swill milk," this was NOT milk from pastured cows living on farms, but rather from ones housed in cramped warehouses, fed terrible diets, and milked in filthy conditions."

http://healthyfixx.com/food-and-diet/13/pasteurized-milk-kil...

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Thanks for the article

good find.

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Actually two articles cited here

The latter quote comes from the latter link.

And you're welcome ;*)

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Thanks again

I just wish this Ron Paul talk had more comments and higher rating.

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This is one of the best of his Texas

Straight Talks. It focuses on a very personal, clear, simple issue that anyone can get. It presents the matter of freedom in a sympathetic, empathetic perspective. This is a good one to spread to all of the political spectrum. Dr. Paul's educational talks -- wouldn't that make a nice campaign theme?

Moderators help...

Ron Paul Texas Straight Talk video always landed on the front page in the past.

Thanks.

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Freedom to drink unpasteurized milk Bump:

Thanks, LL.

this milky coffee is to you

Thanks so much Steve.

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Milk is now a a criminal drug?

FDA is worthless, Time to shut them down and save the money.

Free includes debt-free!

Milton

Milton Friedman said it best.

The FDA was justifiable until it started regulating effectiveness and potency.

+ 1

:)

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cows to the FEMA camps

arrest these terrorist cows undermining security health & well being of the population.

:)

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Oh no, cows with guns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

Thanks for the laugh, Tom.

Free includes debt-free!

Thanks Paul

I haven't watched this for years, but laughed like it was for the first time.

Did you notice George W's name appears on his desk and in the newspaper when they announced the quelling of the cow rebellion? And the chickens in choppers, what a hoot!

But seriously folks, it's our food chain that we absolutely need to maintain sovereign control over. What's being attempted here is yanking that chain away from us.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

lol

Thanks for the vid.
Did you see this comment there:

WE WILL FIGHT FOOORRRR BOVINE FREEDOM!!!

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Of course I reject Marxism.

Marx simply exchanged the State for the evil Prince in Machiavelli's work.

There are better solutions!

Free includes debt-free!