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The only way YOU can do something about the people who rule you

This came up in a thread that I was posting in and felt it was important enough to have a thread of it's own.

Despite how you may feel about who ought to be in control and/or if there should be anyone in control at all, there is only ONE way that the people who are government recognize (at least for now in most places) YOUR authority over them and 'the law'. That place is the courtroom, and the time is when you are called to serve on a jury.

While I certainly have my opinions on the validity of 'the law' and the supposed 'right' of some third party(ies) to enforce it upon other people, the fact remains that the majority of you, as well as the majority of people at large, believe in the authority of the court. It is, after all, where the people who are government make all their important declarations regarding the law. This said, there is only one remedy YOU have, and it is the most important and powerful thing YOU can do to secure YOUR OWN freedom.

Many times I have said that in order to be free, you must allow others to be free. I have heard this many times before, and have heard it attributed to so many people I'm not quite certain exactly who said it first. Regardless of it's origin though, it remains the most true statement I have heard in regard to liberty to date. In order to be free, you must allow others to be free.

So how does this tie into the courts, and YOUR authority? Easy. YOU, when called to jury service, have more power and authority than anyone else. YOU have more authority than the arresting officer, more authority than the prosecutor, more authority than any politician. YOU have the authority to declare the law unjust.

To see an example of how jury nullification works, one need look no further back in history than to the period of time in the USA when alcoholic beverages were outlawed. Now, while I most certainly don't feel that we have freedom regarding alcoholic beverages now, the principle that 'the people' can change 'the government' via jury nullification stands. During the late stages of alcohol prohibition, the courts had an increasingly difficult time seating juries that would convict those accused of alcoholic beverage 'crimes'. The government was forced to abandon its policy of waging war against it's own subjects for alcoholic beverages as a result.

Stop abdicating your responsibility for your personal liberty. Allow others to be free, Nullify bad laws by refusing to convict those brought to trial for violating them. Do the research, it's your right to be free, and the only way you can achieve it is to allow others to be free as well.

Please look up FIJA.ORG

It's the only authority you really have over your own life.




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I am on call for jury duty

for the next year. I fully plan on doing this, jury nullification, if it is indeed an unconstitutional law. Of course as one poster put it, I may very will be not chosen. We'll see. I will let you know if I actually get called.
On another note: I gave out an estimate of a job for my home business today in email. Sometimes I do it on paper. But I decided since my husband had said you ought to put in a disclaimer, just in case stagflation or hyperinflation sets in. So, here is my disclaimer:

Disclaimer: These prices are subject to change in case of inflation or hyperinflation, which causes prices to rise on materials, and obviously labor, due to the irresponsible, unconstitutional practices of the Federal Reserve, and of course the actions of Congress, which spend money which they do not have, thereby borrowing from the Federal Reserve, which prints up money out of thin air, causing the dollar to debase. This will continue unfortunately, unless someone like Ron Paul is elected President of the United States, as he is the only one who addresses this issue and others are voted into Congress who actually act responsibly and follow the US Constitution.

I suppose some people will be amused but some may be not so amused.

tl;drThe that rule us do so

tl;dr

The people that rule us do so only because they have the power to control the money we use. Without that, they have no power at all. So how do we stop them? We take away their control of our money.

It's that "simple".

I tried, failed.

It can be quite a trick to get onto a jury. I was called in for jury duty about a year back, for the very first time. The case was "loitering with intent to commit prostitution," a total non-crime, as far as I'm concerned.

The potential jurors were questioned extensively about their attitudes toward the police, their willingness to "accept the law as the judge defines it" and their attitudes toward the law the accused is charged with breaking. They are also asked whether they had ever served on a jury before, in what kind of case, and whether the verdict was conviction or acquittal. I found I had a hard choice to make: lie my butt off to the judge to get on the jury, or get excused in the earliest stage of questioning. I dodged and ducked through a couple rounds of questions, but finally got caught out and was excused. Fully informed jurors are not welcome in the courtroom, obviously. Nor are jurors who harbor any suspicions about our noble law enforcement officers (vice cops, no less). You'll find it is not enough to be willing to acquit non-criminals; to get on a jury you most likely will have to perjure yourself before the trial even begins.

It's not enough to be willing to serve on a jury; you've got to be DETERMINED and willing to take some risks. You need to rehearse some plausible sounding statements of your beliefs concerning immoral laws and the pigs who enforce them. I wasn't prepared. Maybe next time.

One other interesting thing: I'm over 60 years old, and this was the first time I'd actually been selected out of the jury pool for a trial. I've been a registered Libertarian since 1972. I changed my voter registration to Republican in 2008 to vote for Ron Paul -- and suddenly I'm picked for a jury. Probably just a coincidence? Ya think?

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

same here.

I was honest and spoke my mind, wrong answer.

Ironic:

The only way to get an honest trial is to hope for some dishonest jurors to sneak on the panel. Otherwise prosecutors and judges will pack juries with brain-dead sheeple.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

FIJA

They have some videos with Ron Paul speaking about this issue.

Interesting, but...

It seems a little ineffective. Perhaps you can fill it in a bit. Here's my take on it, for whatever that's worth- I'm certainly no expert, and am fully willing to reexamine my assumptions here.

What you've said above makes some sense, but is limited in both scope and opportunity. I've never been summoned for jury duty, and while I'm sure it will happen some day and I will make a point of doing that job to the best of my personal ability, it is not something that I am aware a person can just report for without the summons.

Even if you can walk in and volunteer to be a juror, there is a process that allows attorneys to vet and select potential jurors- if you are in a smaller area, you're bound to get spotted and labelled quickly, and unlikely to be selected after that.

And the biggest gotcha that I see here is that while you might be helping one man, and that is worthwhile, simply freeing one person will not change a law.

All that aside, I am all for having a wide variety of tools to use in protecting my freedoms. If you can tell me why the above is inaccurate, or what part of the issue I missed, it would be appreciated.

Aut Invenium Viam Aut Faciam.

Certainly there is no

Certainly there is no question that the jury is the final check against the system. So much so that a great deal of effort is put forth to destroy any understanding of exactly what it is and what its purpose is. In California, a Supreme Court decision in 2001 actually made jury nullification ILLEGAL, if you can believe that. Of course, that does not mean that a juror cannot still refuse to convict, but he must be very careful to state as his reasons that "the state has failed to make their case adequately in my eyes." as opposed to "I feel that the law is unjust and therefore refuse to convict." People are confronted by law enforcement for passing out Fully Informed Jury information in front of courthouses, and they make actually serving on a jury (at least in San Diego) such a tortuous process that no thinking person wants to participate. The whole thing is just a horrible mess, but my question is still this: "If the jury cannot vote their consciences and must vote how they are told by the judge, then why do they exist at all?

People don't even recognize the only actualy way to do something

The underwhelming lack of comments here only underscores the complete lack of understanding about how the game is even played.

You know what? Those of you reading this who think that this is somehow a joke deserve everything your masters subject you to.

Mike, kill my account here. These people are far too stupid to be saved.

that is not what Michael does, do it yourself.

this is what Michael does!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbfkefuDTFE

And from Ron Paul, May 2010 ~

"It’s been one of my goals, as long as I’ve been in politics, to work with coalitions because I think ultimately it’s the only way you’ll ever get anything done." ~RP

"You're empowered to affect the game as an equal; the moment you forget, you become victims of the other player’s tactics."
-The AntiTerrorist

"What is natural to me is these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the sunday school teachings."
~ Timothy Leary
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Most people have no idea, really.

Most people have no idea exactly what the mechanism is in the current system that they are recognized to have the authority that they do.

The only peaceful way for a mere subject/citizen to counter a wayward government is via the jury nullification process.

It's later then you think.

It's later then you think. Juries in many areas are rigged, the people who are called are not truly a random representation of the people, and in many states they have been fiddling around with what a jury actual is in number etc, despite being carefully defined in law for a thousand years. If elections are ever rigged, jury selection is far more easy for the local party bosses to fix.

FIJA is important, but it is hardly the only way the justice system has been perverted. In fact, the justice system is exactly what has been perverted that is never addressed as an issue.

Look up posts on grand juries, private prosecution, the legal monopoly as opposed to reading for the law, etc. We are at the last stages of a complete subversion of everything the justice system is suppose to be. FIJA is only a small piece of it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.