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New York Bans Cigarette Smoking in Public Places

CNN - Smokers in New York City looking to light up in most public places will not be able to without paying a price after an outdoor citywide smoking ban takes effect Monday.

The law, which Mayor Michael Bloomberg signed in February after it was passed by the New York City Council, will make smoking illegal in New York City's 1,700 parks and on the city's 14 miles of public beaches. Smoking will also be prohibited in pedestrian plazas like Times Square.

... Not all New Yorkers are embracing the ban. New York City C.L.A.S.H. (Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment), a grass-roots organization, is staging a "smoke in the park" to call for repeal or to simply demonstrate anger, according to the group's website....

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Vote with your wallets.

Stop doing business with a Communist State like NY. I don't spend one dime for anything out of NY. California also doesn't get a dime from me.

In Liberty


anyone in NY been ticketed for this?

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

Not widely enforceable, many

Not widely enforceable, many people were laughing in the laws face when it took effect. Merely another revenue situation where if they need a little extra $$ brought in they can write a few smoking tickets

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Think about it....

This is the same as the debate going on in the media about Ron Paul's stance about businesses and civil rights and weather he would have voted for the civil rights bill concerning businesses back in the 60's. The government has no business getting involved..why would anyone that believes in individual rights decide
we can draw the line at cigarette smoke OUTSIDE of all places, let alone in private businesses !!!!

If someone is smoking a cigarette outside and the wind shifts and you get a whiff of it ...don't stand there and wait for the government to protect you, MOVE over two feet.

the final step, i believe, is

the final step, i believe, is to criminalize tobacco..

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

I'm a non-smoker. Never even

I'm a non-smoker. Never even tried it and not interested in doing so in the future. I agree with bans on smoking INSIDE public buildings but disagree with smoking bans outside in the open air. Note also that I mentioned "public buildings" and not ALL buildings.

I believe the individuals and businesses should have the right to do as they wish with their own property. Businesses should have the right to choose for themselves whether or not they will allow smoking in their buildings and, likewise, customers will have the choice of whether or not to conduct business in smoking or non-smoking environments.

OUTDOOR smoking bans are a sad joke. A year or so ago I was at the hospital with other family visiting a family member. We went to the smoking area, which was (previously) in a tiny garden type setting in the middle of a circular driveway and found that it too is now non-smoking as well. The ridiculous part about it is that this non-smoking area is completely surrounded by moving and idling vehicles, both cars and trucks, on all sides. A quick stroll around the sidewalk along the buildings revealed that most vehicles were idling merrily along only inches away from NON SMOKING ZONES. It's a sad, sick joke of no logic that a cigarette would be banned but an idling UPS delivery truck, a TAXI or even just patient vehicles are perfectly fine and permitted in virtually the same space. If the health threats are too great for individuals to smoke a tiny cigarette 50 feet from the hospital then there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why that space should be permitted for use by motor vehicles.


I don't smoke cigarettes

but as I said below, I am smart enough to know that this is a fraud and scam being set up for a long time. Who was the first state to adopt the fire safe cigarettes? New York. These cigarettes have what is essentially carpet glue in them. Ask yourself why something else wasn't used? I suspect they would have used rat poison if they could. By supporting these foolish laws, we are aiding these murderous thugs. There is an effort under way to politically make these things MORE dangerous and in doing so makes their studies more valid and acceptable. I believe that there is a truly evil motivation in these politicians and the like minded to persecute people who refuse to live the way they think we should. They can't believe that with all of their government funded studies, you still refuse to acknowledge the outcome they honed and tailored to your fears with your stolen money. They are outraged at your refusal to bow and make your own decisions. This is why they feel it is fine to make cigarettes more dangerous, they feel that the dissenters deserve to be sickened. This is an easy way to get rid of the critical thinkers who choose to smoke once a day, or once a week, or when they have a drink because they like it and can do it responsibly and safely. Several people in my family have smoked regularly or lived with smokers and they all lived into their late 70's, 80's, and 90's. Whose right is it to say that what they did was not right, some godless politician with an axe to grind and a coke habit? It honestly makes me feel apathetic when I see it coming from our own people who are supposed to be the smart ones. I am so fucking sick of seeing computer generated propaganda commercials of tar running out of someones mouth funded by the anti-smoking industrial complex. These sub humans stole billions off the tobacco industry over the years and now they make billions off the anti-smoking industry. Second hand smoke outdoors is akin to bad breath and should be treated as such, common sense should prevail. There is simply no realistic reason that anyone in their right mind would ban smoking outdoors. On private property, it should be up to the property owner period. Don't worry though, I'm sure these spineless communists will be forced to sell the parks in the coming years so we should be working on restoring the rights of the private property owners.


"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

What about the right of the

What about the right of the people not to inhale carcinogenic smoke? I have never smoked in my life and I quite frankly find it rather disgusting and disrespectful when people smoke. Do I have a right not to be bothered with smoke?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Yes Brian, this is so important.

You should not have to inhale 2nd hand smoke. But meanwhile the government has destroyed your rights. Please continue worrying about someone outside having a smoke. Dear G*d don't worry about getting groped at the airport or your daughter being sexually assaulted by tsa goons at her prom.
Please please don't worry about the fact they are stripping away the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendment! Worry that you can walk away from a smoking area to a nonsmoking area. Actually don't worry. Soon smoking will be regulated to a person's home only. But those smokers will still have to pay anywhere from $3-5 a pack in taxes for YOUR roads and parks. What was that great deal about being a free country? I remember now, no taxation without representation.... who the heck is representing smokers? Mean while the government keeps sending subsidies to the tobacco companies out of taxpayers' pockets.

Formerly rprevolutionist

Who said I am not worried

Who said I am not worried about other things?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I'm a non-smoker as well. My

I'm a non-smoker as well.

My thoughts are that smoking should not be permitted inside public buildings.

Privately owned buildings, whether for personal or business use, should have the smoking policy decided upon by the owner of that building.

Outside in the open air on public property should be permitted, however, open air private property should be up to the discretion of the property owner.

If smoking is banned for health reasons anywhere than that same space should not be available for use by motor vehicles (as such is the practice in many areas; for example, the irony of no smoking but feel free to idle your car there for an hour if you'd like).


yes.. you just remove

yes.. you just remove yourself from the area of the smoke.

I get it. When your neighbor

I get it. When your neighbor is blasting music you should just leave your house so they can party. Or when you are on the beach and some fat idiot sits next to you and begins to smoke a cigar you should just move. You are right. We need to obey the smokers...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

yes, Brian...

I guess smokers get all the rights here, but nonsmokers lose theirs. People should be able to walk around with boom boxes as loud as they want... we don't want their rights taken. They should be able to walk around naked, don't want their rights taken.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Were I live people do it all the time.

The guy right behind me has a band and they play in his basment and they rock the whole neighborhood. Its heavy pretty load all the old people im sure dont like it but they go inside and dont mind. Right down the street at a small shoping center they have christian bans play and the little old ladies come out in there yards and listen and the rockers all go inside. Its called living together man. As for walking around naked most people would love if everyone else walked around naked but most people have a problem doing it themselves. I would say its more of a self regulation.

You can't do that

if you work there.

Sure, you can quit, but is that a fair option?

I have had to quit one job because of the smoke.

The answer is that the ventilation should take care of the smoke. I'm sensitive to smoke and work in a smoking casino, and the smoke does not bother me because the casino has proper ventilation.

damn. if new yorkers weren't

damn. if new yorkers weren't already stressed out enough.

California Bans Smoking in Private

California bans smoking on private property, too.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

under what circumstances? Any?

Or just those where it could come into a neighbor's home? That's kinda like loud music, isn't it?

Not that I'm defending that law... just curious about the facts.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

If you're only libertarian about things that are fashionable...

..You aren't libertarian at all.

Banning smoking in open-air public parks, streets, and beaches is asinine, and unjustifiable using the dubious scientific standards of "secondhand smoke."

I would not have a big problem with an ordinance banning cigarette litter--throwing butts, which are bacteria-impregnated trash, on the ground or the pavement. But a cigarette addict smoking in the open breeze is not endangering anyone, and is not infringing on anyone's rights.

Support the Constitution of the United States

but if you're going to be picky...

about some libertarian things but not others, then you aren't libertarian at all. The same argument can be used on you, Kevin.

What harm is a cigarette butt on the ground really doing me? No more harm than the disgusting smell that I could be forced to deal with. I don't want to see the litter, I don't want to smell the smoke. Very little difference.

But I agree that the 2nd hand smoke argument outdoors is bogus.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

It depends.

If you see penalizing throwing trash on the ground as an excessive use of force, then I suppose you could have a libertarian city with garbage strewn across sidewalks, parklands, and streets. Sounds reasonable to me. I'm sure it would be a lovely place to visit on vacation. :D

Support the Constitution of the United States


A libertarian city would not have garbage strewn in the streets. Perhaps your own property would be trashy, but you would have no right to throw trash on public property.

You have no right to walk around nude, but you can do that at home or on other private property. You have no right to walk or drive down a crowed street with a boom box or stereo wide open, or hell, even excessive noise at home if you are bothering others with it.

Smoking is the same thing.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

In a Libertarian

city people would be free to keep their property how they choose. There would be some people who would have poorly kept property, but they would be the exception. Usually socialist rules lead to everyone doing the bare minimum. Compare a private beach to a public beach for example. So yes, I would certainly like to visit a truly libertarian city.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

IMO,there are things that you shouldn't be able to do in public.

where others are forced to be subjected to it... Nudity. Severe profanity. Shooting up heroin. Smoking weed, smoking cigarettes, etc.

Is this a loss of freedom? No.... you are (or in the case of illegal drugs, should be) able to do these things in the privacy of your own home or in the private property of a consenting owner (bar, restaurant).

Freedom is doing whatever you want until you infringe upon the freedoms of others.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

You forgot dancing and listening to rock and roll.

Shooting heroin publicly was a 24/7 event on 42nd street a little more than 2 decades ago. Gotta admit, glad those days are over, don't miss that one.

All the others on your list, and sex, well, um, er, it seemed like a good move at the time?
Just sayin.
These are all still ongoing in public in the City.


about dancing intended sarcastically, sadly has come to pass this weekend at the Jefferson Memorial.

We are in deep trouble folks. Brazen contempt for the entire bill of rights grows day by day.

dancing is a gateway drug.

it is also well known to be associated with drinking and smoking.

What's wrong with using

What's wrong with using heroin? Dr. Paul is in favor of it...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I'm all for it too...

just not in public, in front of me and my kids. Do it in private.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose