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UPDATE - Warning: Supreme Court orders release of 46,000 criminals in CA - the equivalent of 3 Army divisions!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24scotus.html?src=me&re...

"Conditions in California’s overcrowded prisons are so bad that they violate the Eighth Amendment’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment, the Supreme Court ruled on Monday, ordering the state to reduce its prison population by more than 30,000 inmates."

Personally, I think we could prevent more harm by locking up a handful of Wall street generals compared to tens of thousands of those convicted of non-violent offenses.

CRIME STATISTICS FOR CALIFORNIA 1952-2006

http://ag.ca.gov/cjsc/publications/candd/cd06/tabs/2006Table...

For those that want to make claims about crime in California PLEASE reference the stats before making such statements. I like to think RP supports are the rational ones.

UPDATE: I must have missed the memo about the entire California prisoner population being those convicted of non-violent drug offenses. For all those making such posts, the facts are that in the past ten years California had ~25,000 murders, 100,000 forcible rapes, 1.5 million aggravated assaults.

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I am hoping they have the

I am hoping they have the good sense to only release non-violent convictions and couple that effort with a policy not to enforce or convict new non-violent drug offenses so they don't have more innocent people cycling through the university of hard-core criminal activity.

sadly, the chances to get

sadly, the chances to get robbed by the Gov. are much bigger then falling victim to a street crime.

Chances are you will be the victim of a costly red light camera or speeding ticket (5 mph over the limit) waaaaaay before someone will steal something from you.

Not to mention the odds of getting molested at the Airport are thousand times greater then being raped on some back alley.

Local & State law enforcement & judges votes mean NOTHING...

Hey folks...what should we do now ?

Discover Costa Rica

I'm not very concerned,

I'm not very concerned, frankly. The "criminals" are an invention of our legal system. If someone harms others, this is cause for concern, not "victimless" crimes.

Who cares?

The only criminals I fear are the armed ones in the blue costumes getting paid by my tax dollars to infringe on peoples life liberty and property. Unlike the non-violent corporate statute/code breakers that they are releasing the costumed criminals have zero fear of being held accountable for their crimes. No accountability + low IQ + armed to the teeth = very dangerous to society.

Emancipation at last!

Let's think positive- maybe a good number of the prisoners slated for release are just non-violent drug offenders.

The prison system, with its cruelty and racism against blacks and forced labor, is just modern day slavery anyway. It's a racket.

i live in ca..

any firearm recommendations.. was thinking about glock but didn't really have time to do research

Depends on what you want it for

Get a remington 870 to keep in your house. Just the sound of the pump will scare most people away and you don't have to be a good shot to hit the target. Now if you are worried about close quarters fight (think just out of knife lung range or when the adversary may be close enough to grab your shot gun out of your hand), then you want a handgun.

Hand guns are a personal choice. I don't have one; I live way out in the country and don't feel the need to carry. I have a shot gun handy and an AR-15 style .243 coyote/deer rifle handy. If I were to save enough money to buy another gun I think I would first get an AR-15 style .204 Ruger, just cause that could be used for my wood chuck problems.

If I thought a hand gun was of absolute necessity I would go with a .327 federal revolver or the Fn-5.7. I have thought long and hard about what to get for a hand gun. I wish there was a 1911 style pistol for the .327, but its a newer round maybe someday. There are double action revolvers, but I think right now I am leaning towards the Ruger single action, just cause its got an 8 shot cylinder and it looks bad ass.

http://www.ruger.com/micros/327Federal/index.html?r=y

Why is the Supreme Court

Why is the Supreme Court ruling on this?

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality. - John Randolph of Roanoke

That is the big question!!!!

That is the big question!!!! What is going on here and how does the Supreme Court have authorization to extend their powers over this political decision?

CA

It will be interesting to see what crimes these people being released had done.

donvino

What does living in government housing projects teach

most people? How to stay living in government housing projects.

What does living in prison teach most people? How to end up staying living in prison.

The government ruins lives daily. By dumbing down the populace and then teaching a large group of the population to be totally dependent on government.

What worry's me is what have these folks been exposed to while they were locked up over nothing. Chances are they are not the same people they were when they went in. Our government ruins people's lives.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

OMG!!!!!!

Hide your pot!!!!!!!

This should be interesting

46,000 non violent inmates released and what have these inmates been doing during their time in prison? Possibly becoming violent due to their situation and the corruption in the courts. Imagine being put in jail for a non violent offense for 3-5 years and even though you were never violent the rape, beatings, and toll of prison life turns you into a violent individual that now cannot get a job and has to find other means for survival. This should be interesting on how the prison system has "rehabilitated" these non violent offenders. I have a feeling that this is a ploy and most inmates will be sent to other states with grants, as they will never allow that amount of federal revenue to go away, but if the fed has told them that they cannot afford it then we may be getting closer to the edge than we thought.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Oh nooooo!! They're releasing non-violent drug offenders

Better lock your doors and hide your babies. Don't be so daft as to think everyone in prison is a "criminal".
"Warning" haha. The slightly aware are funnier than the total sheep in my humble opinion.

Transferred, not released

When the news indicates inmates released, the news actually mean transferred to other state jails, county jails, etc. Basically, the news uses headlines to get your attention (they lie).

Prisons are great business (payoffs, kickbacks, cheap labor, cheap psych subjects, etc.), but perhaps something changed. I seriously doubt they care about inmate's living/medical conditions and "constitutionals rights". Soe they aren't just going to release tens of thousands slaves.

More likely, the overcrowding is so bad it is negatively affecting business profits...so they transfer a bunch of low-risk inmates (slaves) to other jails (plantations).

I can't find mention of that in the article though.

Are you just guessing?

President Paul signs general amnesty releasing 600,000 prisoners

"President Paul signs general amnesty releasing 600,000 prisoners, offers clean record and apology on behalf of all Americans."

That is a headline from the future, after federal law is changed regarding nonviolent drug convictions.

We cannot afford to house and feed so many people anyway. Food stamps and section 8 are cheaper than prison.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

One problem compounds another, of course

One problem compounds another, of course. For example:

In Kazakhstan, there was recently a general amnesty just because its too expensive to hold so many prisoners. Now, the villages are filling up with idle men with nowhere to go. They are getting through the day by harassing people and committing petty crimes.

California and America might face the same problem, but its to be expected. None of this would be a problem if those men were not arrested for drug possession, had their lives ruined, and turned into hardened criminals by the sheer dehumanizing factor of the penal system.

More crime is just something we'll have to deal with as bankruptcy causes prisons to close, and the state clamps down on legal self-defense.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Scary

1. Make sure your house is secure---you can do this cheaply with door modifications. Criminals actually don't like going through windows.

2. Get a gun and carry with you at all times loaded and handy.

3. If your too scared of guns, knives, clubs etc... get an adult diaper in case you soil yourself or grow a pair and take care of your own BS

Some sort of useful

program can't be devised to utilize these people's skills in a productive manner?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I moved my comment to the

I moved my comment to the body of the post.

Why is this a WARNING??

This is a scare tactic to get you to pay more money for more jails. 1/2 our prisons are filled with people that have committed drug related crimes. If the drugs were legal, and the war on drugs handled in the proper way this would be a non-issue. Having somebody in jail for use, possession or distribution of marijuana is wrong.

The WARNING is because....

....I think it important, especially for those living in and around California to know that tens of thousands of potentially violent criminals have been ordered to be release by the Supreme Court. If these people follow the path of most convicted felons they will commit more crimes in the future.

That being said I FULLY agree with you that our so called war of drugs is a failure and should be ended.

What? They are not going to

What? They are not going to release violent criminals, this is actually good news because they will be releasing non violent people.

Where does it say that??

It doesn't say anywhere in the article that the release will be of non-violent criminals in fact in the dissent Scalia wrote, "He added that the prisoners receiving inadequate care were not necessarily the ones who would be released early. “Most of them will not be prisoners with medical conditions or severe mental illness,” Justice Scalia wrote, “and many will undoubtedly be fine physical specimens who have developed intimidating muscles pumping iron in the prison gym.”"

The article doesn't say one way or the other, however some

common sense would tell readers that violent criminals will not be released. Some non violent offenders with the capacity for violence will slip through but the state can't afford the liability of releasing violent prisoners. Joe is released after serving 2 years of a 15 year sentence for rape. Joe rapes again. Victim (lawyers) sue state. State rapes citizens.

This is the same state that

This is the same state that DPers claim is at worst EVIL and at best completely incompetent?

Maybe the state could hire a private company to decide who gets released.

No, they will be releasing the violent criminals to terrorize

the citizens. They will then say, "See we told you so" and the citizens will accept the neocon's (final) solution.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

"Violent criminals"

Are not going to be released. So, that will leave a prison population of 40 or 50 people.