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$4,000 Fine for "Excessive Tree Pruning"

WTF America really should be spelled AmeriKa now.


The city of Charlotte, North Carolina Fine fee for "excessive prunning:"

On private property, fine amounts are based on the size of the tree improperly pruned. For small trees such as cherry trees or crape myrtles, the fine is $75 per tree. Excessive cutting can increase that fine to $100 per branch.

For large trees such as oaks or maples, the fine is $150 per tree.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/05/28/2333197/church-f...


Anybody live in this area? If you do could you consider doing a video interview on this for YouTube?

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Another comment that will probably not be popular

But then I never did worry about being "popular."

But isn't this a local government law and pretty easy to regulate under local government rules and laws?

If the people in this city want to get rid of this law, it should be pretty easy.

Not like getting rid of the middle east wars or the federal restrictions on medical pot.

Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks for the heads up. Charlotte is now redlined.

I guess Charlotte needs revenues.

So they get it by stealing it from people who can least afford it. Typical.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
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Ice storms and wind are

Ice storms and wind are Mother Natures way of pruning trees. Wonder if those IDIOTS will try to fine her.
Probably try and fine the person whose property the tree is on.
They would be laughed out of town if they tried than crazy sh-t here in East Texas.

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When I was going to class for my Arborist license we were told that if you knew of someone pruning without a license we should report them. I think half of it is to protect the tree and citizens and the other half is to generate revenue for the people that pass out the license..There is only one place in Connecticut where you can take the class. Here you can't prune without a license but you can do take downs without it. Standard rule for most trees is never take more than a 3rd of the foliage off when you prune or you can send the tree into decline. Sad thing is is that there have been cases where homeowners have had a licensed Arborist come in to prune their 100 year old oak tree and they hacked the hell out of it and it died because of it. Now the homeowners have to have it removed and are without a cherished piece of their home..

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

When the enforcer comes

When the enforcer comes around to fine you, stop pruning the tree, immediately get a chainsaw and cut the damn thing down.

All licensing is the same

It's all about restricting the availability of consumers' options and only partially about safety or quality. A restricted market gives the licensed person an artificial monopoly and an opportunity to charge higher prices, so naturally the people who are licensed like it that way.

Totally agree

On the fact that it is "A restricted market gives the licensed person an artificial monopoly and an opportunity to charge higher prices" At the same time when it comes to public places I think that an Arborist should have some proof that he knows what he is doing..There really is a wrong and right way to prune a tree. Plus wrong pruning is not the only thing you can do to harm a tree, paving or compacting the area around a tree screws up the feeder roots that at a minimum stretch out to the drip line of the canopy. As far a home owners are concerned it comes down to being informed on the right way to take care of your trees. I for the most part just try to keep up on pruning all the dead wood out of them. That way no one gets injured by an oak branch falling from 60 feet in the air..

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

This is absolutely insane!

I'd like to see someone come to my neck of the woods and tell my people that we need a license to prune our trees. That would be the funniest damn thing ever...well except for the mortally wounded "Pruning Enforcement Officer".

We may not have it all right, but man am I glad I live where I do. This is just insane...I can't stress that enough.

Can you offer into evidence

Can you offer into evidence anything that PROOVES the tree frog is still alive?


Nice to see ya, Dale.

I can take a picture tonight..

and I can PROMISE you that it will be a tree frog, that is alive and well, and still on our property. Even has the same voice...must be the same frog. :O)

BTW...we're still learning about wild animals. My daughter is now 5 and while traipsing around in the yard came across a rabbit nest..unfortunately she had our two dogs and a cat right behind her. They got a hold of three of them and she managed to save one, which we are bottle feeding. It's going to be a sad day when it passes on, and it undoubtedly (99%) will.

I figure this will be the heartbreak that finally teaches her to observe nature rather than corral and catch it.

Take care my friend.

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So much for Bonsai in NC.


Charlotte has a news station WBTV that has a segment called 3 on your side...its suppose to help people who've been screwed over.
Maybe a good slamming of request in their email might help get to the bottom of the bs.

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many cities have fascist authoritarian rules

about trees and yards and such.

i suggest that anyone who still has functional neurons should depart.

They're doing it here in

They're doing it here in some parts of Canada too. One can only wonder when so many people are reverting back to radiant wood burning stoves and fireplaces that these new rules about cutting or pruning trees are coming into effect. They are nothing more than fundraisers for the city coffers with excessive fees, even though you originally planted the trees on your own property.

for once

I completely agree with you. May the snowballs in hell have a wonderful day.

Trees can become dangerous

if not trimmed correctly.

An overtrimmed tree can develop rot and be a danger to people on the street or who live around the tree. The first time you get a storm the tree branches or the whole tree falls on someone or their house or car. People are killed in Washington several times a year from this. I think Seattle has similar laws.

I let someone overtrim an Oak on my property. The poor tree has developed many problems and has already broken two windows during storms. I hope I can save it.

Any time over-trimming has

Any time over-trimming has been a problem here occurs when Hydro comes along without any horticultural experience and lops of whole segments of a tree whose branches may be overlapping their unsightly hydro lines. Unfortunately, instead of trimming back an overhanging branch or branchlets, they mutilate the whole tree which in many cases looks unsightly and lopsided and eventually many of them die a slow death. We have a rogue Hydro monopoly in Ontario who pretty much do what they want with Gov't support.

If you have a dangerous tree, you should take it down

How much pruning is 'over pruning' is a matter of personal taste and opinion. Why should a municipality think its' arborist is the god-of-pruning when another tree trimmer may have an entirely different take on it? This kind of law is capricious and fraught with opportunity for bureaucratic abuse.

The idea that safety is an issue here is just laughable. There was ZERO accusation that the trees were unsafe. Absent damage or likely future damage to another's person or property, the municipality has no moral right to impose itself on private property owners who like their trees scalped.

Freedom is about doing as you wish as long as you don't hurt anyone else. No harm, no foul. The only person doing harm here is the 'urban forester' who is threatening to steal $4000 from the church because he has a differing opinion on trimming trees that do not belong to him or the city.

The tree

is on my property.

If I want to live with a sick tree and do not danger others, I can do that.

Woodpeckers have been working on it and it's looking pretty good right now.


And anyone should be able to be a doctor too because hey there is no wrong or right way to practice medicine..You know trees are just like rocks and are lifeless..They don't really rely on their foliage or root structure to survive..It's just all political mumbo jumbo lol...Glad your not taking care of my property..

I do agree with you on your private property that you should be able to do whatever you want. If you screw up your tree and because of your shady pruning it becomes unsafe and hurts someone you love well sucks to be you. If I am in a public place I hope that whomever is taking care of the trees knows what they are doing..Because at the end of the day there really are healthy strong trees and ones that are not and are a threat of harm..Fact is that the government is power crazy but at the same time the public is sue crazy..If someone was walking through say a restaurant parking lot and a tree with a large dead branch fell and hurt or killed someone you can bet your arse there would be a lawsuit coming. So now the insurance company is requiring the owner to manage there property better. Now the restaurant owner is having an inexperienced tree guy come in to care for the trees to save money.. They Screw the trees up and another accident happens and the insurance company is getting another claim..Now the insurance company and the owner are wiser and only hire a tree company that knows their business. Which comes from experience on the job and schooling which in the end gives you the license to practice arborism..

I do also believe half of the regulation/fines is just government bureaucracy looking to extort money and the other half is that a lot of lawsuits happened because of so called tree companies working on a customers tree and hacked the hell out of it and it died. At the very minimum a Person or Tree company that is doing tree work for money should either have proof they know what they are doing or at least a waver saying if I screw up your tree oh well your stuck with it..In a free market the Tree Service offering a little peace of mind that they know what they are doing will put the ignorant tree guy out of business..

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

You think what he does to

You think what he does to trees is bad, you ought to see what I do to steers with a butcher knife and hot coals!


Sounds personal ;-P

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

I didn't say there is no right or wrong in practicing medicine

I DID say that opinions vary. Even in medicine. In the end, it is the owner of the body/tree/property/building who has to decide what actions to take with his own property, then live with the consequences.

I don't want to take care of your property. I also don't want some bureaucrat in City Hall thinking he can take care of your property. I want you to be free to take care of your own property.

oh that's right, trees pruned correctly

never fall down. Seems to me, we just make people liable for any damage their trees do. If its in the middle of my yard, what's it to you if the tree falls or rots. This is an aesthetic, politically correct law, no question, which is pure BS. The safety issue is a canard.

No that is not what I mean

The tree I have is on my property and no one can do anything to it except me, and I will try and save it. And I don't know what they are doing in SC but in Washington state trees that are not trimmed right can become a danger. They are a real danger. If they are trees in a park or on public property, that is just wrong. If it is your own personal tree, like mine is, then it is your own business.


$4,000, -Four Thousand Dollar Fine-.....

Why not $8,000? No, no $12,000.....

Ooops, better not give em any ideas, ya think they would'nt do it?.....

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Good Grief

You just can't make up stuff this freaking stupid!
Crape myrtles need to be cut back so they get new growth. The first time I saw some one prune them, they lobbed off all the upper growth, and all the very low growth and the trees looked like they were destroyed. A month later those trees were beautiful. They were covered with blooms.

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