Fight this stupid Neocon argument: "12 myths about 21st Century war"
I just got this email from my "neocon" friend. These so called "myths" written by Ralph Peters are going to be brought up more and more on the Republican campaign trail and we need to counter their assertions point by point. Let's all work together to get the best responses! Here's the email:
Unaware of the cost of freedom and served by leaders without military expertise, Americans have started to believe whatever's comfortable.
By Ralph Peters
We've never had better men and women in uniform. But our leaders and many of our fellow Americans no longer grasp what war means or what it takes to win.
Thanks to those who have served in uniform, we've lived in such safety and comfort for so long that for many Americans sacrifice means little more than skipping a second trip to the buffet table.
Two trends over the past four decades contributed to our national ignorance of the cost, and necessity, of victory. First, Ivy League universities once produced heroes. Now they resist Reserve Officer Training Corps representation on their campuses.
Yet, our leading universities still produce a disproportionate number of U.S. political leaders. The men and women destined to lead us in wartime dismiss military service as a waste of their time and talents. Delighted to pose for campaign photos with our troops, elected officials in private disdain the military. Only one serious presidential aspirant in either party is a veteran, while another presidential hopeful pays as much for a single haircut as I took home in a month as an Army private.
Second, we've stripped in-depth U.S. history classes out of our schools. Since the 1960s, one history course after another has been cut, while the content of those remaining focuses on social issues. Dumbed-down textbooks minimize the wars that kept us free. As a result, ignorance of the terrible price our troops had to pay for freedom in the past creates absurd expectations about our present conflicts. When the media offer flawed or biased analyses, the public lacks the knowledge to make informed judgments.
National leadership with no military expertise and a population that hasn't been taught the cost of freedom leaves us with a government that does whatever seems expedient and a citizenry that believes whatever's comfortable. Thus, myths about war thrive.
Myth No. 1: War doesn't change anything.
Over thousands of years, war has been the last resort - and all too frequently the first resort - of tribes, religions, dynasties, empires, states and demagogues, driven by grievance, greed or a heartless quest for glory. War is sometimes necessary. We can't pretend that if only we laid down our arms all others would do the same.
Wars, in fact, often change everything. Who would argue that the American Revolution, our Civil War or World War II changed nothing? Would the world be better today if we had been pacifists in the face of Nazi Germany and imperial Japan?
Even a just war may generate undesirable results, such as Soviet tyranny over half of Europe after 1945. But of one thing we may be certain: a U.S. defeat in any war is a defeat not only for freedom, but for civilization. Our enemies believe that war can change the world. And they won't be deterred by bumper stickers.
Myth No. 2: Victory is impossible today.
Victory is always possible, if our nation is willing to do what it takes to win. But victory is, indeed, impossible if U.S. troops are placed under impossible restrictions, if their leaders refuse to act boldly, if every target must be approved by lawyers, and if the American people are disheartened by a constant barrage of negativity from the media. We don't need generals who pop up behind microphones to apologize for every mistake our soldiers make. We need generals who win.
And you can't win if you won't fight. We're at the start of a violent struggle that will ebb and flow for decades, yet our current generation of leaders, in and out of uniform, worries about hurting the enemy's feelings.
One of the tragedies of our involvement in Iraq is that while we did a great thing by removing Saddam Hussein, we tried to do it on the cheap. It's an iron law of warfare that those unwilling to pay the butcher's bill up front will pay it with compound interest in the end. We not only didn't want to pay that bill, but our leaders imagined that we could make friends with our enemies even before they were fully defeated. Killing a few hundred violent actors like Moqtada al-Sadr in 2003 would have prevented thousands of subsequent American deaths and tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths. We started something our national leadership lacked the guts to finish.
Despite our missteps, victory looked a great deal less likely in the early months of 1942 than it does against our enemies today. Should we have surrendered after the fall of the Philippines? Today's opinion makers and elected officials have lost their grip on what it takes to win. In the timeless words of Nathan Bedford Forrest, "War means fighting, and fighting means killing."
And in the words of Gen. Douglas MacArthur, "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it."
Myth No. 3: Insurgencies can never be defeated.
Historically, fewer than one in 20 major insurgencies succeeded. Virtually no minor ones survived. In the mid-20th century, insurgencies scored more wins than previously had been the case, but that was because the European colonial powers against which they rebelled had already decided to rid themselves of their imperial possessions. Even so, more insurgencies were defeated than not, from the Philippines to Kenya to Greece. In the entire 18th century, our war of independence was the only insurgency that defeated a major foreign power and drove it out for good.
The insurgencies we face today are, in fact, more lethal than the insurrections of the past century. We now face an international terrorist insurgency as well as local rebellions, all motivated by religious passion or ethnicity or a fatal compound of both. The good news is that in over 3,000 years of recorded history, insurgencies motivated by faith and blood overwhelmingly failed. The bad news is that they had to be put down with remorseless bloodshed.
Myth No. 4: There's no military solution; only negotiations can solve our problems.
Negotiations solve nothing until a military decision has been reached and one side recognizes a peace agreement as its only hope of survival. We're the only side interested in a negotiated solution. Every other faction - the terrorists, Sunni insurgents, Shia militias, Iran and Syria - is convinced it can win.
The only negotiations that produce lasting results are those conducted from positions of indisputable strength.
Myth No. 5: When we fight back, we only provoke our enemies.
If you don't fight back, you encourage your enemy to behave more viciously.
Passive resistance only works when directed against rule-of-law states, such as the core English-speaking nations. It doesn't work where silent protest is answered with a bayonet in the belly or a one-way trip to a political prison. If we're unwilling to fight the fraction of humanity that's evil, armed and determined to subjugate the rest, we'll face even grimmer conflicts.
Myth No. 6: Killing terrorists only turns them into martyrs.
It's an anomaly of today's Western world that privileged individuals feel more sympathy for dictators, mass murderers and terrorists. Zarqawi's dead and forgotten by his own movement and no one is fighting to avenge Saddam. The harsh truth is that when faced with true fanatics, killing them is the only way to end their influence. Imprisoned, they galvanize protests, kidnappings, bombings and attacks that seek to free them. Want to make a terrorist a martyr? Just lock him up. Attempts to try such monsters in a court of law turn into mockeries that only provide public platforms for their hate speech, which the global media is delighted to broadcast. Dead, they're dead. And killing them is the ultimate proof that they lack divine protection. Dead terrorists don't kill.
Myth No. 7: If we fight as fiercely as our enemies, we're no better than them.
Did the bombing campaign against Germany turn us into Nazis? Did dropping atomic bombs on Japan to end the war and save hundreds of thousands of American lives, as well as millions of Japanese lives, turn us into the beasts who conducted the Bataan Death March?
While we seek to be as humane as the path to victory permits, the media and influential elements of our society are obsessed with the small immoralities that are inevitable in wartime. Soldiers are human, and no matter how rigorous their training, a miniscule fraction of our troops will do vicious things and must be punished as a consequence. Not everyone in uniform will turn out to be a saint, and not every chain of command will do its job with equal effectiveness. But obsessing on tragic incidents - of which there have been remarkably few in Iraq or Afghanistan - obscures the greater moral issue: the need to defeat enemies who revel in butchering the innocent, who celebrate atrocities, and who claim their god wants blood.
Myth No. 8: The United States is more hated today than ever before.
Those who served in Europe during the Cold War remember enormous, often-violent protests against U.S. policy that dwarfed today's let's-have-fun-on-a-Sunday-afternoon rallies. Older readers recall the huge ban-the-bomb, pro-communist demonstrations of the 1950s and the vast seas of demonstrators filling the streets of Paris, Rome and Berlin to protest our commitment to Vietnam. Imagine if we'd had 24/7 news coverage of those rallies. I well remember serving in Germany in the wake of our withdrawal from Saigon, when U.S. soldiers were despised by the locals – who nonetheless were willing to take our money - and terrorists tried to assassinate U.S. generals.
The fashionable anti-Americanism of the chattering classes hasn't stopped the world from seeking one big green card. As I've traveled around the globe since 9/11, I've found that below the government-spokesman/professional-radical level, the United States remains the great dream for university graduates from Berlin to Bangalore to Bogota.
On the domestic front, we hear ludicrous claims that our country has never been so divided. Well, that leaves out our Civil War. Our historical amnesia also erases the violent protests of the late 1960s and early 1970s, the mass confrontations, rioting and deaths. Is today's America really more fractured than it was in 1968?
Myth No. 9: Our invasion of Iraq created our terrorist problems.
This claim rearranges the order of events, as if the attacks of 9/11 happened after Baghdad fell. Our terrorist problems have been created by the catastrophic failure of Middle Eastern civilization to compete on any front and were exacerbated by the determination of successive U.S. administrations, Democrat and Republican, to pretend that Islamist terrorism was a brief aberration. Refusing to respond to attacks, from the bombings in Beirut to Khobar Towers, from the first attack on the Twin Towers to the near-sinking of the USS Cole, we allowed our enemies to believe that we were weak and cowardly. Their unchallenged successes served as a powerful recruiting tool.
Did our mistakes on the ground in Iraq radicalize some new recruits for terror? Yes. But imagine how many more recruits there might have been and the damage they might have inflicted on our homeland had we not responded militarily in Afghanistan and then carried the fight to Iraq. Now Iraq is al-Qaeda's Vietnam, not ours.
Myth No. 10: If we just leave, the Iraqis will patch up their differences on their own.
The point may come at which we have to accept that Iraqis are so determined to destroy their own future that there's nothing more we can do. But we're not there yet, and leaving immediately would guarantee not just one massacre but a series of slaughters and the delivery of a massive victory to the forces of terrorism. We must be open-minded about practical measures, from changes in strategy to troop reductions, if that's what the developing situation warrants. But it's grossly irresponsible to claim that our presence is the primary cause of the violence in Iraq - an allegation that ignores history.
Myth No. 11: It's all Israel's fault. Or the popular Washington corollary: "The Saudis are our friends."
Israel is the Muslim world's excuse for failure, not a reason for it. Even if we didn't support Israel, Islamist extremists would blame us for countless other imagined wrongs, since they fear our freedoms and our culture even more than they do our military. All men and women of conscience must recognize the core difference between Israel and its neighbors: Israel genuinely wants to live in peace, while its genocidal neighbors want Israel erased from the map.
As for the mad belief that the Saudis are our friends, it endures only because the Saudis have spent so much money on both sides of the aisle in Washington. Saudi money continues to subsidize anti-Western extremism, to divide fragile societies, and encourage hatred between Muslims and all others. Saudi extremism has done far more damage to the Middle East than Israel ever did. The Saudis are our enemies.
Myth No. 12: The Middle East's problems are all America's fault.
Muslim extremists would like everyone to believe this, but it just isn't true. The collapse of once great Middle Eastern civilizations has been under way for more than five centuries, and the region became a backwater before the United States became a country. For the first century and a half of our national existence, our relations with the people of the Middle East were largely beneficent and protective, notwithstanding our conflict with the Barbary Pirates in North Africa. But Islamic civilization was on a downward trajectory that could not be arrested. Its social and economic structures, its values, its neglect of education, its lack of scientific curiosity, the indolence of its ruling classes and its inability to produce a single modern state that served its people all guaranteed that, as the West's progress accelerated, the Middle East would fall ever farther behind. The Middle East has itself to blame for its problems.
None of us knows what our strategic future holds, but we have no excuse for not knowing our own past. We need to challenge inaccurate assertions about our policies, about our past and about war itself. And we need to work within our community and state education systems to return balanced, comprehensive history programs to our schools. The unprecedented wealth and power of the United States allows us to afford many things denied to human beings throughout history. But we, the people, cannot afford ignorance.
Ralph Peters is a retired Army officer, strategist and author of 22 books, including the recent "Wars of Blood and Faith: The Conflicts That Will Shape the 21st Century.
And remember my favorite quotes:
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
Winston Churchill





















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"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
Lew Rockwell
I didn't bother reading,
I didn't bother reading, because none of this matters. These people just can't see the forest for the trees. What they still haven't grasped is that NONE OF THIS CRAP IS ALLOWED!
Just buy your idiotic friend a pocket Constitution and ask him to justify his ridiculous list with it.
You CANNOT violate the Constitution. None of it. Not one single word. Doing so makes you a domestic enemy of the United States -- period.
--It doesn't matter if it feels good.
--It doesn't matter if it's the right thing to do.
--It doesn't matter if 99% of the population wants to do it.
--It doesn't matter if it works.
--It doesn't matter if it would cure all the ills of all future generations.
--It doesn't matter if it would make every last person on the face of the earth fall madly in love with America and do whatever we say without questioning it.
You STILL can't do it if it violates the Constitution!
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straight from wiki- Some things to consider when talking about war and changes...
Fallout from the collapse of the United States economy following the 1929 Stock Market Crash reverberated throughout the world. European countries, especially Germany, were hit hard by the Great Depression, which led to high rates of unemployment, poverty, civil unrest, and an overall feeling of despair that led to the rise of Adolf Hitler and other militaristic fascists.
The Great Depression resulted in 33% unemployment rate in Germany and a 25% unemployment rate in the U.S. This led many people to support dictatorships just for a steady job and adequate food.
The Great Depression hit Germany second only to the United States. Severe unemployment prompted the Nazi Party, which had been losing favor, to experience a surge in membership. This more than anything contributed to the rise of Hitler in Germany, and therefore World War II in Europe. After the end of World War I many American industries and banks invested their money in rebuilding Europe. This happened in many European countries, but especially in Germany. After the 1929 crash, many American investors fearing that they would lose their money, or having lost all their capital, stopped investing as heavily in Europe
The Treaty of Versailles was neither lenient enough to appease Germany, nor harsh enough to prevent it from becoming the dominant continental power again.
The treaty placed the blame, or "war guilt" on Germany and Austria-Hungary, and punished them from their "responsibility" rather than working out an agreement that would assure peace in the long-term future. The treaty resulted in harsh monetary reparations, territorial dismemberment, mass ethnic resettlements and indirectly hampered the German economy by causing rapid hyperinflation. The Weimar Republic printed trillions to help pay off its debts and borrowed heavily from the United States (only to default later) to pay war reparations to Britain and France, who still carried war debt from World War I.
The treaty created bitter resentment towards the victors of the World War I, who had promised the people of Germany that U.S. President Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points would be a guideline for peace; many Germans felt that the German government had agreed to an armistice based on this understanding, while others felt that the German Revolution had been orchestrated by the "November criminals" who later assumed office in the new Weimar Republic. Wilson was not able to get the Allies to agree to adopt them, nor could he persuade the U.S. Congress to join the League of Nations.
Contributing to this, the Allies did not occupy significant parts of Germany during the war, and the war in the east against Russia had already been won by Germany. These were the pillars that held together the Dolchstosslegende and gave the Nazis another tool at their disposal.
An opposite view of the treaty held by some is that it did not go far enough in permanently neutering the capability of Germany to be a great power by dividing Germany into smaller, less powerful states. In effect, this would have undone Bismarck's work and would have accomplished what the French delegation at the Paris Peace Conference wanted. However, this could have had any number of unforeseeable consequences, especially amidst the rise of communism. Regardless, the Treaty of Versailles is generally agreed to have been a very poor treaty which helped give rise of the Nazi Party.
The point is we should not have gotten into WW1 in the first place.. that was the BEGINING OF OUR PROBLEM.. and WWII was the CONTINUATION OF A PROBLEM WE CREATED..
At least we DECLARED those wars.. they hold no comparison to Iraq
So many straw men, so little time
These twelve "myths" are a myth themselves. They are so absolute that it is easy to knock them down. To argue against the article, turn it around and create the neo-conservative-equivalent myths:
1) War is always the best way to deal with dictators
2) Victory is always possible, so we must stay the course until it is achieved
3) Every insurgency can be split and coopted
4) Negotiations achieve nothing; only a military solution is possible
5) If we fight back, our enemies will be cowed into submission
6) Dead terrorists don't kill (right, and dead authors don't sell books)
7) Civil liberties and the Geneva Convention are dangerous anachronisms
8) World opinion is irrelevant to the United States' success
9) All these terrorists in Iraq were here when we arrived
10) Iraqis are incapable of self-government - er, I mean, without a strong US military presence
11) (nuclearized) Israel is at constant risk of destruction
12) America has been and should be a stabilizing force in the Middle East
The Mill and Churchill quotes he ends with are more apropos to our struggle to regain our constitutional government that to Ralph Peter's aggressive imperialism.
well this is an all in one,
well this is an all in one, a gigantic assortment of backpedaling questions seem to only point to one thing. the elites have wasted too much time burning giant owls and buying up the monopoly board and policing everywhere. these questions are disturbing they have to be from wolfowitz because no one else is so rhetorical with retardation. either way thats the problem in america, no one listens till its too late. america plays the blame game and they got it from great brittan. maybe instead of kamakazis and 50 cals there could be a little humble recognition of equality to be safe. but everyones gotta have the biggest set of em ya know.
Interesting
Myth No. 1: Sure, war changes things. Aren't there better ways to change the world?
Myth No. 2: Sometimes you can win the battle but lose the war. The question is more, how would the 'victory' be defined? Who is the enemy? Can you achieve something that is not defined?
Myth No. 3: Of course they can. Why should they?
Myth No. 4: Let's redifine the word 'negotiation' and 'agreement' (which is the result of negotiation)
Myth No. 5: Nobody said this. When we fight back we provoke our enemies as well.
Myth No. 6: I don't think anyone said terrorist should not be fighted. Are all Iraqies hostile to the USA terrorists? Maybe we should redefine a terrorist: Somebody who fights foreign occupation...?
Myth No. 7: Did the bombing campaign against Germany turn us into Nazis? Did dropping atomic bombs on Japan to end the war and save hundreds of thousands of American lives, as well as millions of Japanese lives, turn us into the beasts who conducted the Bataan Death March?
Yes. It is very likely that Japan needn't have to be bombed to end the war.
Myth No. 8: Many people in Europe have no intention to visit the USA. The leading role of the USA is going to be severly diminished in the future.
Myth No. 9: How could be attacking a country that had almost no al-qaeda and nothing to do with 11/9 - called 'response to terrorism'?
Myth No. 10: And if you know that they like to kill themselves, there is no reason to take part in the killing...
Myth No. 11: The Saudis are our enemies.
Why does the US government send them money and weapons?
Myth No. 12: Nobody said that. But the USA has done a lot to destabillize the situation.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
Just wonder how not wanting to fight a needless war could be reduced to not wanting to fight for his own country. The Iraq war is not fight for the USA. It is fighting for Bush and his friends.
When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
great commnet!
Every one should become familiar with the logic these war mongers are using. We're bound to see a lot more of it coming soon...and we need to have smart answers in return.
This is a silly argument. No facts only opinion.
As a veteran who served over 9 years including the first Gulf War, all I hear from this is nonsense. This argument is almost so childish I feel sorry for him if this is truely how he feels. Get this man some religion!
I'll just make a couple of points. This is America, not Nazi Germany. If people disagree with our way of life we don't bash them over the head.
Our CIA has been involved in nearly every country in the Middle East (as well as the rest of the World) for over 50 years. Almost every political development has some of their handy work in it. The CIA has more to do with the creation of Al Queda than anybody else. That's why the former head of the unit tasked with catching Bin Laden supports Ron Paul.
His myth #5 sounds pretty racist to me. Non-violent victories are all over the place. Apparently this gentleman isn't religious...because he forgot Jesus! And the numerous struggles that Christians had over the modern era. Ghandi in India, the barbarians weren't the Indians, it was the sophisticated English. Martin Luthur King and the civil rights movement. South Africa's triumph over Apartide. In each of these, ideas were victorious over brute force. That's the lesson we need to learn because this guy has the same mentality as McCain.... they still want to go back and fight the Vietnam War! Even though it's pretty easy to see that a desire for economic well being has brought them back to a friendly relationship with the United States.
America's strength is it's people, it's economy and innovation. Selling that out to chase terrorists around in the desert while oil companies profit, is not a solution to victory, it's surrender!
And by the way, if Ron Paul was served these "questions", he would mop the floor with these arguments! It would be like King Kong vs. a blow up doll!!!!
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And think about this..
McCain WOULD like to go back and fight vietnam..
AND HE WOULD STILL BE A BLOODY PRISONER.. WHICH WOULDN'T HURT MY FEELINGS IN THE LEAST..
Nor apparently his
Unbelievable...
But Islamic civilization was on a downward trajectory that could not be arrested. Its social and economic structures, its values, its neglect of education, its lack of scientific curiosity, the indolence of its ruling classes and its inability to produce a single modern state that served its people all guaranteed that, as the West's progress accelerated, the Middle East would fall ever farther behind. The Middle East has itself to blame for its problems.
In otherwords.. they deserve killing if they are so stupid as to not see we are Scientifically and militarially and apparently regionally smarter than them.....
If they do not as we say.. then they are backwards.. wrong and on a downward trajectory... and IN NEED OF SOME SAVING.. THROUGH KILLING..
Just like Iraq.... We do it for their own good..
People like this would have been laughed out of the public arena just twenty years ago..
oh what a few Bush.. Bush... Bush... Clinton... Clinton...Bush... Bush...
Regimes will do TO AMERICA..
Think about it
Premise wrong and stupid..
The guy sets up his premise... lays out his version of facts... his version of issues.. then answers them with HIS OUTCOME IN MIND..
Lest we all forget.. The U.S. wars constantly... We foment violence through an AGENCY known as the CIA... they are evil
They have overthrown democratically elected individuals over the entire globe for reasons that can be boiled down to this...
SELFISH FINANCIAL REASONS.. (And I don't care if they "benifit" the U.S. or U.S. companies... its wrong..
We did this over Bananas in Central America... Over Oil in Asia (Iran) and over and over... we foment violence...
And then ATTACK THE VIOLENCE WE FOMENTED... i.e. Good ole Raygun and the Contras....
After that all played out... the Contras lost POLITICALLY ANYWAYS..
how come countries like New Zeland... Swizterland.. Austrailia.. etc..etc..etc... are not WARING THE WORLD OVER??
perhaps they are content with playing fairly and recognize.....
Just because you COULD do something... doesn't mean u should...
I like how this fool left our WW 1.... Yeah... THE CAUSE FOR WW2... The versia treaty... Americans Woodrow Wilson...
Did we let the war end the way it was GOING TO????????
NO... We kept it alive for another YEAR SO WE COULD GAIN SOMETHING OUT OF SOMETHING THAT WASN'T EVEN OUR ISSUE... OUR PROBLEM..
That was the BEGINNING... of a TERRIBLE FOREIGN POLICY...
AND IT MUST BE STOPPED...
People must realize.. America does NOT own the world.. nor can we kill people to benifit change that HELPS CORPORATIONS IN AMERICA MAKE MONEY..
THAT IS HORRIBLE
Ralph Peters sounds interesting, in some ways
Check out his wikipedia entry.
I didn't read this whole article by him, so I won't comment on it per se. Perhaps some of our vets would like to.
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So HE's the guy behind this map??
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Ralph_Peters_s...
(bottom map)
Divide and conquer. This is a neocon idea, to redraw the borders of the mideast in this fashion, it predates the Bush administration.
Interventionism in the extreme. Foment and magnify sectarian conflicts in order to provide the impetus to split the mideast into easier to manage pieces.
This is why Condoleezza Rice refered to the fighting in Lebanon as "Birth Pangs". This is insanity. The US has no business even contemplating this, much less trying to achieve it with the blood and money of Americans.
Sorry, ProspectorSam, no offence ... I just get so angry. I'm 110 percent convinced we are being totally manipulated by these neocons. I have no idea if Lt. Col. Peters is in their camp or not, but his point of view certainly fits their agenda like a glove.
yep, that's the guy
I tend to agree with your perspective. The notion that the US has some right to redraw world maps is a Wilsonian tradition, not a conservative Republican one.
Ohhhhhhhhhh no
They say he's got to go
GO GO RONZILLA
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Much like Glenn Beck, I could kiss you for your awesome Blue Oyster Cult ref. What a great song.
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I just wish someone would redo it for the RPR
It would be a natural fit, and yes, it's a great song. I can't do this; someone talented should. ;-)
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That map is f-ing crazy. Note how much of it is based on access to ports. I noticed Syria becomes landlocked, the Arab Shia state gains most of the gulf and Saudi Arabia loses most of its port access. The way he goes drawing lines on a map he must think he works for BP.
One thing I do like about what Peters said, comes from his myth #5, but I'd apply it to fascism at home. If the police state takes hold, you may find me quoting this man's few wise words:
"Passive resistance only works when directed against rule-of-law states, such as the core English-speaking nations. It doesn't work where silent protest is answered with a bayonet in the belly or a one-way trip to a political prison. If we're unwilling to fight the fraction of humanity that's evil, armed and determined to subjugate the rest, we'll face even grimmer conflicts."
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Don't know where to start.
Those are elaborate rationalizations concocted by a group of people who want war.
First, US interventionism (specifically as carried out by the CIA) is at the heart of this problem. Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor Zbgniew Brzezinski ADMITTED that starting a war between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan was his idea. During that 10 year period, the US funded and supported Osama bin Laden and his Mujahedeen forces (who would later be refered to as al-Qaeda), many of these fighters even recieved training in the US in places like Fort Bragg. This is all FACT.
Secondly, the "problem" caused by this interventionism and support of radicals is not an unwelcome byproduct to the people who promote the arguments in the original post, it provides them with the excuse they need to start wars ... and therefore is FOMENTED. After the Soviet-Afghan war ended and the Soviet Union collapsed, Brzezinski and his protoges like Samuel Huntington wasted no time in describing this emerging Islamic nationalism and radicalism as the new enemy of the West (despite the fact that Brzezinski only a few years earlier was giving motivational speeches to those same fighters on the Afghan/Pakistan border), and there has been a concerted effort to antogonise the Arab world on the one hand and villify these groups in the West on the other for decades.
We have Blackwater mercenaries rough-riding all over Iraq shooting civilians. We have a British special-ops unit who were caught red-handed dressed like Arabs doing the same, trying to incite sectarian violence. The British military had to physically bust them out of a Baghdad jail, for goodness-sakes. We are not being told the whole story, we need to take the power to wage war in our name out of the hands of the lying warmongerers as quickly as possible. Peace is not so hard to achieve, radical crazies are few and far between in any culture. The representation of Islam or the Qu'aran as violent is manipulative propoganda aimed at generating hatred. Should we all fall for this ruse and support these wars of aggression? I for one will not be played for a fool. Americans all need to see this thinking for what it is, clever warmongering. The average American has a far greater chance of drowning in their bathtub than dying in some kind of terrorist attack - should we have a war on bathtubs??
These neocons are smart people, if they really wanted to minimize the dangers of radicalized Islamic fundamentalism, they wouldn't do everything in their power to upset Muslims, they would follow the advice of the founders and Ron Paul. But that is not their goal ... they want war, pure and simple.