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Ron Paul at the Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference on CSPAN

CSPAN recorded the live feed from the Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference in Washington, DC. Ron Paul gave a great speech:


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The real question is....

are we supposed to be following God's Contract-Covenant-Law

or are we supposed to be following man's law-contract-Constitution?

Maybe God wants to be King and have His Law followed instead of man's law.....I wonder what He thinks on the subject

Ron Paul says morality has

Ron Paul says morality has much to do with legislation? What have I been saying on here for 4 years?

I love how Paradise City was

I love how Paradise City was playing as he came on stage lol.


How about this logic: Since Ron Paul is such and intelligent man, perhaps I should reconsider my disbelief in God and listen to what Ron Paul has to say.

Ron Paul is witnessing...it's what believers do.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

"Professing themselves to be wise,

they became fools."

So you see entities that I can't see?

Do you hear voices that I can't hear?

Just what is it that you are witnessing exactly? You are definitely not witnessing this reality.

Besides, just because one man may be correct about 1 subject area does not mean they are correct in others. Each statement a person makes must be judged to be correct on its own merits. So your logic doesn't really hold up.

Frankly, it doesn't matter how many people down-vote my posts. Polling is not a valid means to discover truth... and neither is automatically and blindly taking every statement made by an intelligent person a way to discover truth either.

Logic/Reason is the way - the only way - to discover what is true and what is not true, and logic/reason says god does not exist. The statement "god exists" is arbitrary... and as I've already discussed below, all arbitrary claims as automatically thrown out.

Things are only true when they are proven to be true. Otherwise, they are false. God doesn't get a pass and is not an exception to this rule. No one can assume something to be true (like the existence of god) without proof and then say it's true unless someone can prove it isn't true. By assuming something is true, you are ignoring the proof altogether.

When people say, "You can't prove that god doesn't exist, so therefore he exists!", that's equivalent to saying:

"You can't prove he didn't commit the murder, so therefore he committed the murder!" (as opposed to proving he committed the murder).


"You can't prove that furry, purple aliens don't exists, so therefore they exist!"

For some reason, those last 2 sentences seem absurd and any rational person would agree that they are false statements. Yet, it's amazing that when one suddenly injects the word "god" for "a person committing a murder" or for "furry, purple aliens", the normal logic of arbitrary claims doesn't seem to apply anymore. They think god is somehow the "exception". It's not.

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is what happens when everyone shortcuts everything good into one word.

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

Obviously there is no proof of a GOD.

There are many gods that people believe in, none has been proven.
I think people should believe in whatever entity makes them happy as long as they don´t force it down my throat.

I have been to religions gathering where people fall on the floor shaking proclaiming it was god. Seems silly to me. What is not silly is their desire to life and goodness.

Perhaps people need to feel there is a god, so that it would make sense to their existence and give them immortal life.

The species will go on, my son will have children that has children.
I don´t see why my memories would be so important, new will be made.
I am not sure I would wan´t to live forever. Nothing lasts forever and our sun is sure to die someday.

Only in life can you fear.

As long as we are respectful of our views, it will be alright.

He is

being a witness, professing his faith, not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I have not blindly taken every statement made by an intelligent person as a way to discover truth either. Ron Paul and I share the same Spirit - He and I believe the same thing - you claimed he was an intelligent person so I was just admonishing you to listen to this person you called intelligent - perhaps what he is saying has some merit.

The statement "god exists" is arbitrary...
My dear fellow human being - you have no idea what is in my heart and the Truth I know and believe. Until you do you can not call one's faith arbitrary or make any judgement about it. Some things are not tangible but are still very, very real.

Certainly NEVER believe something because another man believes it - you must believe it in your own heart - as I have and as, apparently, Ron Paul has.

God exists whether you believe He does or does not. His desire is that none should perish - even those who don't believe in Him. That's why we are witnesses - our desire is the same as His - our desire is that you come to know His Truth.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Eccl 3:18-2218 I said in my

Eccl 3:18-22

18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals." 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth? 22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

So do the spirits of humans and animals go up or do they go down to the earth? What will happen after you?

See you speak only of what you can see and touch. This is the flesh we will all share the earth with our flesh when we die. What will become of our spirits? Where is the reasoning in man even having a spirit if we cannot see it, touch it, or control where it comes from or where it goes. Would it even be possible for man to even breath without a spirit? Which comes first the breath or the spirit? Would there even be a spirit without the breath or would there be a breath without the spirit?

***[Things are only true when they are proven to be true. Otherwise, they are false.]

Take a deep breath and then hold your breath (without covering your mouth with anything) until you die. With your mind and all your power take your own life. Make your breath stop its existance. See; you cannot do it. Why can you not do it? Because it is not truely yours. Your mind has no control of your breath. If it did you could stop it with your mind. See I do not have to prove the existance of an almighty God. I only have to prove that neither me nor you are God. I only have to prove that man does not control breath. I only have to prove that man cannot stop breathing through his own reasoning and logic. Does a big bang control this breath? Or maybe there is a big bang in every womb that creates this breath. Are you saying there are millions and millions of big bangs that have happened to start each life? Who is the authority of this power? What is authority? Who is the author of this authority? What is an author? An author does two things. He originates and he creates. What does originate mean. Originate means to come or bring into being . Create means to cause to come into existence. See you are claiming that we can see the evidence of creation (big bang) but you cannot say what originated it. You cannot point out the author of what is originated or is created. Even if you can point out creation (big bang) it at best could still only be a half truth. What went bang (was created)? What caused it to originate (come into being)? Where did it come (originate) from? When it was there what was its form before it came into being (originated).

Lets say you belive that the big bang was what was originated, it created the components that make up life, and they change into us. It still has to be answered where did the big bang (what was originated) come from? Who is the author of what was originated and created. If Creation just happened through evolution (by chance) Where would reason and logic come from? Out of chance! Is this the reason and logic you are using in your argument? Chance! If the big bang was originated (came or was brought into being. Again; where did it come from? what was it when it was where it was? Who or what brought it into being? Or should we listen to the God of chance and just say there was no author? So wouldnt that undo the big bang (what was originated). Are you trying to say something was originated (came or was brought into being) out of nothing? Wouldnt this defy reason and logic. See origination is not made from nothing it is something that is coming into being or should I say having a starting place) If it is nothing that is caused to come into existance wouldnt that make it creation. Oh wait! Even creation still has to have an author hmmmmm! So the author of the big bang (creation) in this example would be nothing. So the big bang came from nothing. So is this where logic and reason of chance comes from. Nothing! If that is the heritage you want have at it.

It's just silly to turn this into a theological debate...

...but I thought some would. Try to look past the quick "god ain't reel" crap and listen to what the man is saying! He used a passage from the bible, brilliantly linking it to modern day government. Weather God is real or not is entirely beside the point. Anyways freedom of religion FTW!!!1

I've been thinking too... we've seen other candidates talking about smaller government, liberty, etc, basically just copying Ron Paul. However, is that not a good thing? If someone like Mitt Romney gets elected on a campaign based on smaller government and freedom, isn't that a good thing? Ron Paul would definitely be the ideal candidate to stand by his principals as he has for the past 30 years, but I am glad that these ideas are becoming more mainstream.

I swear Ron Paul should be a seer. Freedom is mainstream! Nah he's already a wise wise man.

Two things

1. It's bad for "establishment candidates" to have similar platforms as Ron Paul because I think a larger number of americans will be duped into "voting for the 'legitimate' candidate" who is a hypocrite and won't actually bring about those changes if elected.

Candy Crowley already alluded to this yesterday, basically saying, "Ron can't win, so you might as well vote for Palin or Romney... even if you don't get everything because they can win!"

Besides, when it comes to establishment candidates, it doesn't matter what they campaign on. Do you really think they are going to do what they campaign on? No way. Romney would immediately do what Obama did - continue the same old policies. This is what people have to understand.

2. As for the point that it doesn't matter if god is real or not, I would disagree. This is actually a very dangerous thing to do.

I want to be clear: I think it's really important for a presidential candidate to say that they are in favour of freedom of speech, and freedom for people to practice whatever religion they want as long as they don't violate anyone else's rights. This is totally fine.

However, what is not cool is for a politician to acknowledge god's existence as if it were true/fact. I don't agree with this at all, on principal. I want my leaders to think rationally. When they start to believe in entities that don't exist, I get worried.

Even worse than this is a politician using god/religion to justify policy. I know Ron Paul would never do this, but he still publicly acknowledges the christian god's existence and doesn't accept evolution. While I know he would probably rule with reason, why bother with the act for?

My beef is this: Politics should be about reality, and nothing else. We shouldn't give political weight to people or policies based on things that haven't be proven to exist. This is simply a recipe for disaster.

The only reason a politician, I think, to admit that god exists is for the votes and to make the masses happy. There's still a massive part of the republican party that is in the dark ages still philosophically... so pandering to them gets votes.

It's sad but true fact - if you're not a Christian or you run a try to run 100% rational campaign, it's sad to say you will never become the republican nominee for president of the united states.

I was truly moved.

Unlike the others, you can tell his speeches are genuine and from the heart. He just has this aura that tells you he is really a nice guy.

Conviction vs. Convenience

When many (if not "most") politicians speak of faith or quote from the Bible, it comes across as nothing more than part of their script or speech. When Ron does so, you can tell it comes from his heart. It is about conviction vs. convenience and passion vs. politics.

How can this man NOT WIN the GOP nomination?!

this speech is one of Ron's best!

..its very refreshing to hear Ron speak about the breakdown of family & the righteousness of personal responsibility!

now where are the new round of slimjims??

Great Speech...

I like this more forceful, resolute style. I love that he said you're going to need to depend on yourself, your family, friends and church to be prepared. More talk of 'getting prepared' needs to be said. When the SHTF so many people are going to be caught off guard.

Like someone said on here the other day "I really like the 2012 Ron."

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Did you see Paul Ryan get given a bibl by an Anti Rand Christian


Its because the ideas of Ayn Rand are not Christain they are of he devil.

other than her support for Israel (of course), . . .

which ones (specifically) are "of the devil" ?

"there is no God" "You own

"there is no God"
"You own your life"

Ventura 2012

sorry - that is atheistic, not "demonic"


The death of critical thinking

has been exaggerated.

Thank you for helping to keep it alive.

Grover Norquist ,Mitt Romney

Norquist mentioned Ron Paul, said he brought millions into the Republican party. Then went on with a subtle and interesting analogy regarding the establishment Republicans being distrustful of new people in the party.

Anyone else notice how Romneys new talking points are liberty, freedom, smaller government and the constitution? He even mentioned the 10th amendment and suggested returning authority for federal government programs to the states? WTF? Is the Mitt a quick study or what? Next month it will be gold and the federal reserve, LOL

The sad part is

a lot in the audience bought it. The camera even focused on him being swarmed after his speech. I asked myself out loud, wtf? If these are what the GOP voters will be, indeed all what Ron warned will have to come to pass. Sad. Get ready.

It seems the majority of the audience did not get Ron. I hope I am wrong.

Ron Paul teaches every time

Ron Paul teaches every time he speaks, the other candidates are just trying to sell themselves through lies and by any means necessary.


Its all one package

Great speech. I love Ron's ability to show how everyone can come together under the principles of liberty.

Strong speech. He

Strong speech. He understands why faith is important to a free society. Thanks for posting this.

Ron's intelligence

I don't know how a man as intelligent and knowledgeable as Ron Paul still believes in god. It always surprises me. It's a good speech, and it's a lot better than what many Republicans would do given the same opportunity... and still.

That's odd

I don't know how a man that is intelligent and knowledgeable could not believe in the Creator.

It always surprises me.